Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[adroc_thurston]

This just confirmed for stance on AMD position that they don't have the crown in that segment.

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[soresu]

They're mostly waiting for DXR to evolve into something not 1995.

Oh?

I wasn't aware that DXR had intrinsic problems.

Are we expecting a DXR 2.0 to come at some point soon then that addresses this?

I suppose in the wake of all these new solutions like ReSTIR to boost RT/PT perf on the software side it may be that DXR 1.x is not the most ideal platofrm to mesh with these new techniques?

 

[adroc_thurston]

I wasn't aware that DXR had intrinsic problems.

It's very evidently a DX7-style API where you use a magical function and it does things with no way to influence how it does things.
People like sebbbi already ranted on Twitter about that anyway.

Are we expecting a DXR 2.0 to come at some point soon then that addresses this?

This is strictly things I'm not allowed to say lol

 

[moinmoin]

It's very evidently a DX7-style API where you use a magical function and it does things with no way to influence how it does things.

How did anyone think it's a good idea to add such to DX12 (which itself is a descendant of Mantle, like Vulkan, so completely different approach)?

 

[adroc_thurston]

How did anyone think it's a good idea to add such to DX12

Well I mean the hardware we have now is rather simple and DXR roadmap is nVidia-driven so...

 

[coercitiv]

Say buh-bye to the NUCs.

Intel Exiting the PC Business as it Stops Investment in the Intel NUC

Intel is exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the pioneering and popular Intel NUC line of mini PCs

www.servethehome.com

 

[nicalandia]

They are cutting its loses.

 

[gdansk]

Yeah that's what happens when they stop making actual low power chips worth a darn relative to the competition (M2). NUC became a screaming absurdity for consumers. And the business customers still have all the cheaper OEM options.

I guess Alder Lake N NUC might have been OK.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Yeah that's what happens when they stop making actual low power chips worth a darn relative to the competition (M2). NUC became a screaming absurdity for consumers. And the business customers still have all the cheaper OEM options.

No they're just cutting costs wherever they can.
Remember, Intel is actively hemorrhaging cash.

 

[gdansk]

No they're just cutting costs wherever they can.
Remember, Intel is actively hemorrhaging cash.

Yeah they're losing cash because they can't make CPUs competitive with a lifestyle company. Or a myriad of other competition. Bad market conditions are inevitable and cyclical. But Intel worked itself into a position where it must kill itself with a hundred cuts.

But hey let's hope Pat's Hail Mary pays off. That'd be neat.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Yeah they're losing cash because they can't make a CPUs competitive with a lifestyle company

They fap to Apple yes, but that's not where their problems lie.

And bad market conditions but that's inevitable and cyclical.

Eh ginormous fab capex is part of the problem and I'm not really sure where are they going with it besides like, blind bets on Xinnie invading Taiwan and making TSMC unviable for a long while.

 

[moinmoin]

Eh ginormous fab capex is part of the problem and I'm not really sure where are they going with it besides like, blind bets on Xinnie invading Taiwan and making TSMC unviable for a long while.

Give Pat some credit, he somehow managed to make German government close to €10 billion lighter based in his whole fab stories.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Give Pat some credit, he somehow managed to make German government close to €10 billion lighter based in his whole fab stories.

And only got like $2B out of Bibi despite massive Israel investment.
Intel still has to dig a lot of cash out.

 

[moinmoin]

And only got like $2B out of Bibi despite massive Israel investment.

Yeah, that one is rather embarrassing considering how much of an Israeli company Intel has become over the decades. Even the US gives more!

 

[nicalandia]

Intel Crystal Forest?




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[A///]

feller in the red looks like he partakes in the ganja. first time im seeing mentions of crystal forest away off of this site. from pat's mouth to god's ears.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Intel Crystal Forest?

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nvm

 

[lightisgood]

Leaked Intel Roadmap Shows 15th Gen Arrow Lake CPUs Still Based on 20A (2nm) Node [Rumor]​

Leaked Intel Roadmap Shows 15th Gen Arrow Lake CPUs Still Based on 20A (2nm) Node [Rumor] | Hardware Times

An Intel CPU roadmap has surfaced, seemingly ascertaining the four nodes-four years promise. The 14th Gen Meteor Lake mobile chips will land alongside the Raptor Lake-S Refresh in the second half of the year. The former will adopt the Intel 4/4nm node, while the latter will be an Intel 7/7nm...

www.hardwaretimes.com

 

[Geddagod]

Leaked Intel Roadmap Shows 15th Gen Arrow Lake CPUs Still Based on 20A (2nm) Node [Rumor]​

Leaked Intel Roadmap Shows 15th Gen Arrow Lake CPUs Still Based on 20A (2nm) Node [Rumor] | Hardware Times

An Intel CPU roadmap has surfaced, seemingly ascertaining the four nodes-four years promise. The 14th Gen Meteor Lake mobile chips will land alongside the Raptor Lake-S Refresh in the second half of the year. The former will adopt the Intel 4/4nm node, while the latter will be an Intel 7/7nm...

www.hardwaretimes.com

I swear that roadmap posted there as being 'recently surfaced' was posted here on anandtech like a week or two ago, and prob dates to sometime older than that even.
Maybe I'm just having Deja Vu though

 

[H433x0n]

I swear that roadmap posted there as being 'recently surfaced' was posted here on anandtech like a week or two ago, and prob dates to sometime older than that even.
Maybe I'm just having Deja Vu though

It's not new, I saw this roadmap like a month ago.

 

[ondma]

There is an interesting rumor on overclock3d that Intel will increase i3 to 6p cores for the RL refresh. This seems unlikely to me, but if they do and also keep the price in the same ballpark, it would be a nice upgrade to the low end.

i3 CPUs with six cores! Intel 14th Gen CPU Core Counts Leak - OC3D

Will Intel’s 14th gen i3 become a new budget gaming champion? Intel’s 14th Gen CPUs are getting a major core count boost, except for the i9 More details about Intel’s upcoming 14th Generation CPU lineup have leaked, and it looks like PC builders can expect a major core count boost within Intel’s...

overclock3d.net

 

[jpiniero]

There is an interesting rumor on overclock3d that Intel will increase i3 to 6p cores for the RL refresh. This seems unlikely to me, but if they do and also keep the price in the same ballpark, it would be a nice upgrade to the low end.

i3 CPUs with six cores! Intel 14th Gen CPU Core Counts Leak - OC3D

Will Intel’s 14th gen i3 become a new budget gaming champion? Intel’s 14th Gen CPUs are getting a major core count boost, except for the i9 More details about Intel’s upcoming 14th Generation CPU lineup have leaked, and it looks like PC builders can expect a major core count boost within Intel’s...

overclock3d.net

Source is RGT... which yeah. Youtubers gonna Youtube.

(My expectation is that the core counts is the same except the i7 K gets 8+12)

 

[Exist50]

There is an interesting rumor on overclock3d that Intel will increase i3 to 6p cores for the RL refresh. This seems unlikely to me, but if they do and also keep the price in the same ballpark, it would be a nice upgrade to the low end.

i3 CPUs with six cores! Intel 14th Gen CPU Core Counts Leak - OC3D

Will Intel’s 14th gen i3 become a new budget gaming champion? Intel’s 14th Gen CPUs are getting a major core count boost, except for the i9 More details about Intel’s upcoming 14th Generation CPU lineup have leaked, and it looks like PC builders can expect a major core count boost within Intel’s...

overclock3d.net

This would make sense if the intention (for post-RPL) is to reuse the mobile 6+8 die for the i5/i3 markets. And maybe the 2+8 die for Pentium/Celeron, or whatever they're calling it these days?

But yeah, given the source, grain of salt and all that.

 

[NostaSeronx]

There is an interesting rumor on overclock3d that Intel will increase i3 to 6p cores for the RL refresh. This seems unlikely to me, but if they do and also keep the price in the same ballpark, it would be a nice upgrade to the low end.

i3 CPUs with six cores! Intel 14th Gen CPU Core Counts Leak - OC3D

Will Intel’s 14th gen i3 become a new budget gaming champion? Intel’s 14th Gen CPUs are getting a major core count boost, except for the i9 More details about Intel’s upcoming 14th Generation CPU lineup have leaked, and it looks like PC builders can expect a major core count boost within Intel’s...

overclock3d.net

Isn't the full die 6+0 anyway?
i5-12400(6p) -> i3-13xxx(4p, still 6+0 die) -> i3-14xxx(6p, but is fully enabled in i3-land)

 

[Hulk]

Well there is it. That's Raptor Lake Refresh and it makes perfect sense. More cores down the stack and more frequency at the top of the stack.

Intel is setting the bar pretty high as far as core count and frequency for 15th gen though... meaning they'll have a lot to make up for in IPC when core count and frequency come down with 15th gen.