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DrMrLordX
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I did read what you said, and all you did was back my own statements, so, I don't know what you're going on about.
Intel would never give AMD an advantage on OpenFoam by leaving their CPUs with HT On and AMD with SMT Off.
By who cares anyways. Sapphire Rapids have been delayed yet again and it will have to compete with Genoa.
Someone tells that woman that Intel 7 is Not the same as 7-nm process
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IntelUser2000
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Of course not. But it could benefit SPR few % by having HT on and benefit EPYC by having HT off.
They might have cherry picked the situation that benefits them most, but they don't always disadvantage it like that. Yes, sometimes they do, like the Kabylake-G comparison where they used single channel memory, but most of the time they don't, like when people were saying they gimped AMD by using single channel on the Ryzen vs Icelake mobile comparison when they said didn't and had dual channel on Ryzen as well.
Potential similar density, and similar performance. TSMC is calling it 7nm right?
This article is from Wednesday, but I don't think it was shared here yet. Anyway Intel has a hiring freeze in the Client Group right now. Which is claimed to be only for two weeks but probably will be longer.
The relevant point is that somewhere else I saw a suggestion that PC sales are slumping to the point where Intel might warn at some point. And their Q2 forecast was for a decrease in revenue as it is. Probally not an AMD thing but a macro thing.
It's worth noting that the actual silicon development falls under the Design Engineering Group.
Also, the original article: https://www.reuters.com/technology/intel-freezes-hiring-pc-chip-decision-least-two-weeks-2022-06-08/
DrMrLordX
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1). TSMC hasn't used "nm" in their node names since 16nm/12nm
2). Intel had a 7hm process and renamed it to Intel 4
Anyone referring to Intel 7 as a "7nm process" is clearly in error.
Semantics mostly, discussed and argued over and over again. Neither has any actual 7nm features in them and both can be called "7nm (marketing) class" processes.
What is important tho, is that Intel is back to being full node behind AMD.
There is a Meteor Lake 6+8 picture.
I found this one the most interesting. The rumoured culprit of 10nm debacle seems to be gone and in its place is eCu, whatever that means. Overall seems to be very nice process advance versus "7"
It means enhanced copper.
Good eye there, Dr. Watson. Seriuosly tho, one has to wonder how it is "enchanced". And if those dopants are unique to Intel, or already deployed in other foundries?
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Polly pitch was the real nm number.. i judge a node by density and polly pitch
Intel 4 looks like a fanastic node 2x density over intel 7 so 200mmt density... can't wait for meteor lake 😁
DrMrLordX
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Well you're gonna have to. Sorry, bud.
Looks like the images got nuked off of twitter, but there're still all available here.
www.computerbase.de
One would hope that, if nothing else, this would dispel some silly "predictions" about peak clocks.
Intel und die EUV-Fertigung: Technische Details zu „Intel 4“ und Meteor Lake
Intel erwacht aus dem Dornröschenschlaf und führt mit Intel 4 und Meteor Lake die EUV-Fertigung ein. Große Boni werden greifbar.
One would hope that, if nothing else, this would dispel some silly "predictions" about peak clocks.
In theory, Intel must use EUV on M0 (and FEOL) only.
Other metal layer could be dealt with by SADP or single patterning.
This fact is very significant in yield / throughput.
Intel 4/3 & TSMC N3(N5?) combination might get back INTC's leadership.
I'm sure, IDM 2.0 is correct strategy.
Other metal layer could be dealt with by SADP or single patterning.
This fact is very significant in yield / throughput.
Intel 4/3 & TSMC N3(N5?) combination might get back INTC's leadership.
I'm sure, IDM 2.0 is correct strategy.
Intel 4 has the highest density in the industry.. should be good for many years like 14nm
Markfw
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He loves Intel. Asking him to remove the blinders is like trying to move a rock.
DrMrLordX
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The problem here is that Intel's own engineers and marketing department were content to call the Intel 4 process "7nm" for quite some time. And the same engineers and marketing dept referred to Intel 7 as 10nm Enhanced SuperFin.
Even if we defer to Intel's own marketing, we can't call Intel 7 "7nm", because they clearly labeled it as a 10nm node with their own language.
As long as he stays positive, a little cheerleading every now and then isn't terrible. Might be cringeworthy from time to time but, not really harmful.
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