FriedMoose
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I'm sure IT World Canada is incorrect and those gains are from IPC and clocks, not through architecture alone. >10% IPC gain would be very unexpected.
Where exactly did they write the gains are IPC exclusive? Fine-tuning an architecture can be done to improve fmax as well, not just IPC.I'm sure IT World Canada is incorrect
Where exactly did they write the gains are IPC exclusive? Fine-tuning an architecture can be done to improve fmax as well, not just IPC.
I'm sure IT World Canada is incorrect and those gains are from IPC and clocks, not through architecture alone. >10% IPC gain would be very unexpected.
Also the fact that on the same process the cores are larger (they basically take twice as much space as Zen cores)
I'm sure heat density won't be an issue at all with 10nm compared to TSMC 7nm, there's something else keeping the clocks low.
They control enterprise desktop ? In your dreams.Thought: tigerlake is 146mm^2. 9900k is 177mm^2
given the increase in density at 10nm vs 7nm, why doesn’t intel release a 10nm equivalent of the 9900k.
don’t say clocks - tigerlake clocks have improved. A 95w tdp at 4.5ghz would outperform 9900ks in single thread
don’t say yields. Laptop market is 2x the size the Desktop market.
So why? Maybe intel just doesnt care about desktops anymore given they control enterprise desktop and diy is a niche within a niche.
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Yeah they do. Lol are you joking with me. I just met with senior execs at dell and hpe. Why don’t you keep your troll comments to yourself?They control enterprise desktop ? In your dreams.
You mean they currently have more desktops that are Intel ? probably... Do they control it ? No. Do the execs think they control it ? Most likely. Upper management more of the time has no clue what is really going on.Yeah they do. Lol are you joking with me. I just met with senior execs at dell and hpe. Why don’t you keep your troll comments to yourself?
don’t say yields. Laptop market is 2x the size the Desktop market.
And you know this becuase you work for them ? Or are you trolling again ?yields are not anywhere in that zip code lol
so what 1 -2% then ?yields are not anywhere in that zip code lol
Yields are that bad. We're talking maybe getting 10-20% out of a wafer, and that's including the cut down models. But that's just an estimate... it could be worse than that.
You have no source as usual I guess, this is the (your) problem.
So... Intel isn't making 8-10 core 10nm TGL chips in the near future because they don't wanna, not because they can't.
It feels like we're in some kind of ludicrous claim contest here. On today's menu we find out Intel is full of unstable geniuses which have both the know-how and the means to mass-produce TGL chips for the entire computing market, but lack the basic desire to do so.
I gotta tell you, everyone who doesn't want Intel to have even bigger problems than they have right now, they / we better hope that TGL is at least a double digit increase over ICL on a laptop to laptop basis, seeing how the mere existence of 10th gen 14nm chips is making ICL nothing more than a cool technical demo demonstrating Foveros right now. It's nice to have them, but nobody would ever really miss them.Exactly. Its details such as these we'll likely never get to hear about but nevertheless significant.
There is no need for calling out someone on an assumption which they already acknowledged as wrong. The socket naming confusion originated from a specific piece of software, that is usually very reliable, but this time it turned out to be either a placeholder or a typo. Bringing this up to him being so smug is pointless, it means nothing for the point you're trying to make, because of how different the 2 topics are.You have no source as usual I guess, this is the (your) problem. What happened to your LGA 1159 by the way? Debunked?
Maybe thats the case?
1. The desktop market might be small but it's acutally growing.Maybe thats the case? It's the smallest market within the pc space and the one that is declining the fastest. Intel is capacity constrained.
A tick of the 9900k would be a pretty small die. Smaller than TGL-U for sure. I'm just trying to go through the thought processes.
Why?
1. The desktop market might be small but it's acutally growing.
2. > 4core chips are also heavily used in laptops (15-45W)
Even just ta 6-core Tiger-lake would address a market way larger than the 4-core ever could. It could even work for desktop gaming due-to the IPC increases (as they can already clock it to 4.4 on mobile, ~4.5 would be totally enough to compete with 9900K).
The ony reason I can explain the lack of at least a 6-core Tiger Lake on the roadmap is ... yields. Especially if you consider that they plan to make the 8-core Rocket Lake (with supposedly the same core @ 14nm). Why would they do that if they had 0 manufacturing issues?
Because Rome and Milan are eating them alive, that's why. And they have no answer.