implying that a 8-core Coffee Lake does not exist or makes naming more convoluted: Core i7 + another suffix. Might be the revealed "B", but then there is no "BK".
With mad speculation people seem to think 9000 series = Coffee lake refresh (which is fine since details are non existent) but @FanlessTech claim otherwise :
This is just absurd.
Its like watching Intel imploding with all these new products and refreshes when they finally got competition from AMD on the CPU side.
The worst about it all is that people are perfectly ok with being milked, just because its Intel.
Could you expand upon what you mean by "people being milked" and who is okay with it?
Given how badly the yields are it seems extremely unlikely at this point. I think FT is getting confused because there will be some Icelake released next year but I imagine only a quad core U/Y... and Intel might have to cut the EUs down.
What? No love for Sandy bridge?
Can it really be called getting milked when no one is buying Coffee Lake to replace Skylake?Skylake
Caby Lake
Coffee Lake
Cannon Lake
All within 3 years....and the performance increase from Skylake to Cannon Lake will be pretty MEH all things considered.
Thats called milking and its sad to see very little calling Intel out.
Skylake
Caby Lake
Coffee Lake
Cannon Lake
All within 3 years....and the performance increase from Skylake to Cannon Lake will be pretty MEH all things considered.
Thats called milking and its sad to see very little calling Intel out.
Can it really be called getting milked when no one is buying Coffee Lake to replace Skylake?
No one is buying coffeelake? I am sorry but you are flat out biased for saying that. Even with limited stock the CPU is creeping in on top 5 cpus. The minute it goes on sale it sales out everywhere.
To say it isn't selling is ridiculous...
According to a friend of mine who works at OCUK(A relatively big UK Tech retailer) the 8700k was selling 400 units a month excluding binned chips, same as the 7700k, 40 in 40 out kinda deal.
Of course you probably won't believe me because I am a random person on the internet, but still
Well lets not rules out that there are quite a few enthusiasts out there that that replaced their 6700K to a 8600K. 200MHz boost was all they got and the reason was a higher TDP.Can it really be called getting milked when no one is buying Coffee Lake to replace Skylake?
Well lets not rules out that there are quite a few enthusiasts out there that that replaced their 6700K to a 8600K. 200MHz boost was all they got and the reason was a higher TDP.
My point is that all these rapid launches ever since Skylake came out is what I considered milking. They used to do New architecture - New node shrink - New architecture etc etc. But they had their CPUs on 14nm ever since Broadwell in 2014. 2018 is when we finally get a new node, 10nm, something that used to happen every 2nd year in the past.
Intel have lost a lot of their momentum, and instead try to make up for it with refreshes but with higher clocks. Even their IPC gains over arch jumps are stupidly low. Thats what I call milking
Nvidia and AMD does the same with GPUs. Rebrands but with higher clocks. But atleast they usually have atleast some new products in the same release cycle that is a new architecture
No one is buying coffeelake? I am sorry but you are flat out biased for saying that. Even with limited stock the CPU is creeping in on top 5 cpus. The minute it goes on sale it sales out everywhere.
They also got 2 more cores.
They’re having technical issues with 10 nm. Do you expect Intel to throw up its hands and release NOTHING and just keep selling the 6700k and other Skylake CPUs for 3 years?
Intel knows the PC market is shrinking. Intel knows there are a lot of Sandy and Ivy holdouts. Believe me, they want those users upgrading. At this stage, adding performance isn’t super easy - all the low-hanging fruit has been picked.
You guys need to carefully reread Virge’s post. He is NOT saying Coffee Lake isn’t selling. He is saying that Skylake users aren’t buying them. I don’t know how true that particular point is, but obviously Coffee Lake is selling very well since they’re still relatively hard to get. I was lucky to get my 8700k about 3 weeks ago.
I think you are misreading that news.Demand is so high that Intel is ramping up production at a second location in China.
The noise about Intels crumbling is ridiculously premature.
Intel is struggling with production, not demand.
Still no evidence that the demand for their products is bigger than before.Intel's not struggling with anything 14 nm. The early Coffee Lake was just a paper launch... but they need the second production line to handle the full lineup.
Intel premature launching products way ahead of schedule because they feel threatened by AMDI think it is a bit odd that they didn't bring more production online earlier.
Intel introduced more cores for the mid-high range only because AMD forced them to. But anyhow, doesnt matter if «10nm is difficult for Intel». The point here is that the further down the rabbit hole they go the more difficult node shrinks will become for them.
What then? New products with slight clock changes every 6 months just to get enough revenue to keep the train rolling? The writing is already on the wall: They are pushing out products so often now because they know layoffs will come now that AMD is eating up their huge market share, and most importantly, Intel need to inject a TON OF MONEY to spend on R&D on their foundry that manufacture their CPUs, AMD had a disadvantage with relying on GlobalFoundries in the past, but what happens when Intels revenue tanks and new process and nodes becomes a bigger challenge than in the past?
Lets just say that Intels top position in the market will get tougher to defend in the future if AMD plays their cards right
Just a real-world comment on HOW MUCH the PC market is shrinking, especially at the lower-end - Walmart had a $499.99 Gaming PC from HP in their Black Friday ad. i5-7400, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, and a GTX 1060 3GB card. Including Windows 10, I would be hard-pressed to build a custom rig up to that caliber, and be able to deliver it to a customer for $500. (I couldn't, not without going used on parts.)Intel knows the PC market is shrinking.