India's Caste System Still an Obstacle to Modernization

[Steeplerot]

And, for a descendant of murderers and criminals, you talk too much.

Interesting, instead of Middle America racists its all the Asian bigots on parade today. Once again proving assholes know no boundaries.

 

[busydude]

It certainly is a fact.... Varna.. is natural..

It was not natural.. it was created by Brahmins to oppress the so called "lower caste's." The interpretation of Varna's was falsified due to greed and hatred.. it was not meant to be discriminated upon.

Varna is not natural.. a person does not belong to a pre-defined Varna. He is never born in a Varna... as I posted earlier.. how could a son of a fisherman become "Veda" Vyasa and go on to write Mahabharata? How can a thief and a robber by profession "Valmiki".. write Ramayana?

There were many instances of women reciting Veda's.. why were they forbidden from doing so later on?

 

[CanOWorms]

The economist link is data from:
Aug 16th 2010 -not 100 something ago.

The Economist article is from 2010, but it's referencing GDP data over 2000 years. It shows that they were doing well before colonialism. When colonialism started, the GDPs plummeted.

Well CoW, they might as well have been 100,00 years ago, because you have NEVER given anyone a reason to be concerned with such old events. All you do is get highly emotional and accuse people of holocaust denial stuff. If you want to bring these things to peoples attentions then make a case instead of being dramatic about really old stuff that has no relevancy to anyones lives nowadays.

These things are quite relevant today. What sort of bizarre world are you living in?

Why should I emotionally invest myself with old colonial problems that are so old they are way before anyone was born? Plenty of problems nowadays to worry about if worrying was my thing.

Don't invest yourself emotionally, but you need to be aware of the issues to prevent them in the future and fix the problems they create today.

 

[Baasha]

Are you calling him a Dalit? Don't bring that shit to the USA.

I don't need to "bring" anything. If you're not part of the four Varnas, you're an untouchable. Simple, really.

 

[Baasha]

It was not natural.. it was created by Brahmins to oppress the so called "lower caste's." The interpretation of Varna's was falsified due to greed and hatred.. it was not meant to be discriminated upon.

Varna is not natural.. a person does not belong to a pre-defined Varna. He is never born in a Varna... as I posted earlier.. how could a son of a fisherman become "Veda" Vyasa and go on to write Mahabharata? How can a thief and a robber by profession "Valmiki".. write Ramayana?

There were many instances of women reciting Veda's.. why were they forbidden from doing so later on?

You are confusing jati and varna. The two are NOT the same and cannot be used interchangeably.

Varna is based on karma.. which determines your birth at a certain place, time, and surrounding. Jati is occupation-based.. that is why there is fluidity in jati, but not varna.. at least, not in a single lifetime.

And, you are parroting some nonsense about caste being "created by Brahmins to oppress" others.. that is some western interpretation of it.. if you get an untouchable (westerner) to interpret caste, that is all you're going to see..

And, all those instances you quote are EXCEPTIONS, not the rule.. yes women recited the Vedas.. Vyas was a fisherman.. Valmiki was a hunter etc. etc.. however, conversely, Drona was a Brahmin.. he engaged in warfare.. Sri Krishna never calls him a Kshatriya.. why? He was born a Brahmin.. don't confuse varna and jati.. two entirely different things..

 

[Steeplerot]

I don't need to "bring" anything. If you're not part of the four Varnas, you're an untouchable. Simple, really.

What a load of horseshit, you sound like a barbarian from 1000 years ago.

If your class system is so natural then why when europe gave up their caste system they suddenly got powerful enough to overtake your whole subcontinent. There is no such thing you primitive superstitious person.

 

[busydude]

I don't need to "bring" anything. If you're not part of the four Varnas, you're an untouchable. Simple, really.

Its not simple.. it reeks of narrow mindedness on your part.

 

[Baasha]

Interesting, instead of Middle America racists its all the Asian bigots on parade today. Once again proving assholes know no boundaries.

The "troof" hurts eh?

Indians invented that [lack of] zeros in your paycheck as well.. keep that in mind..

 

[Steeplerot]

The "troof" hurts eh?

Indians invented that [lack of] zeros in your paycheck as well.. keep that in mind..

And George Washington Carter invented the peanut. What does that matter?

 

[Baasha]

What a load of horseshit, you sound like a barbarian from 1000 years ago.

If your class system is so natural then why when europe gave up their caste system they suddenly got powerful enough to overtake your whole subcontinent. There is no such thing you primitive superstitious person.

europe.. and its inhabitants were and are untouchables.. what is there to "give up"? You mean class system? nope.. it's still there.. nobility, aristocracy and all that other garbage still exists in europe.. it's just more subtle..

And.. being "powerful" doesn't mean shit.. having real power is to not cause harm you dolt..

you and most westerners have what I call 50-cent syndrome..

50-cent is rich and strong.. you consider him to be a shining human being? That is what westerners are on the world stage as well..

 

[Steeplerot]

you consider him to be a shining human being?

A shining human being starts with not being close-minded and stuck in the dark ages of history.

You need a lot of work, but I guess you don;t have to take any responsibility as you will be reborn as a gnat or something. Just another religious person looking for make-believe fairy's to get out of taking responsibility for their own actions and how they treat their fellow man.

Assholes know no borders, or religious delusion. I stand corrected (or rather affirmed). I would say thank you but I have a authority problem since I am "low class" so fuck off then. I hope you come back as an ant so next time I piss you drown.

 

[Baasha]

And George Washington Carter invented the peanut. What does that matter?

It matters because you (westerners) have descended from barbarians while Indians (Hindus) invented the greatest system of philosophy, science, and lifestyle on this planet.

Westerners came to the forefront when India was reeling from successive invasions, pogroms, and genocide.

Every notion that you and other westerners say that "India was a trashy country" is utterly false. It is because of 1300+ years of invasions and genocide, India became materially poor. Western nations took advantage of that and robbed India (and many other countries) blind. Before the invasions (prior to 650 CE), India was the greatest country on this planet.

 

[Baasha]

You need a lot of work, but I guess you don;t have to take any responsibility as you will be reborn as a gnat or something. Just another religious person looking for make-believe fairy's to get out of taking responsibility for their own actions and how they treat their fellow man.

As long as I'm not born as whatever the hell you are (subhuman untouchable), I'm happy!

 

[Steeplerot]

It matters because you (westerners) have descended from barbarians while Indians (Hindus) invented the greatest system of philosophy, science, and lifestyle on this planet.

Well your god or whatever magic star wars "force" you think you were born with that helped you be so enlightened sure didnt give a shit enough about you guys to help out against the British huh?

Funny how that works with religious people, when you REALLY need your gods they are never there. Let me guess.................you guys were unworthy to be helped because someone got caught humping a goat and some guy who wears some funny hat told you your god was mad that week so you guys are shit outta luck?

LOL religious people are so predictable.

 

[Baasha]

damn this thread.. should have ignored it.. bah..

 

[Baasha]

Well your god or whatever magic star wars "force" you think you were born with that helped you be so enlightened sure didnt give a shit enough about you guys to help out against the British huh?

Funny how that works with religious people, when you REALLY need your gods they are never there. Let me guess? You guys were unworthy or some shit? LOL religious people are so predictable.

Hate to break it to you.. your idea of religion is as puerile as your understanding of India..

I'm not going to bother explaining Hinduism to you; you have to be human to understand it.

And, if we Indians are vindictive, all of India would be eager to fight England (which India can sink in a few days), but Indians don't. what's happened has happened.. we don't live in the past.. it is funny though that western scumbags bring up India's internal troubles while they bury their shit under the carpet..

 

[Steeplerot]

And, if we Indians are vindictive, all of India would be eager to fight England (which India can sink in a few days), but Indians don't.

Give me a break, so what would you do? Get a billion people from india to sit on the corner of the island of Britain to make it tip over?

 

[Baasha]

Its not simple.. it reeks of narrow mindedness on your part.

I'm just stating what's mentioned in the Vedas.. since this thread is about "caste".. I thought it appropriate to bring up that point..

and.. I'm not even talking to you.. so why this animosity towards me?

 

[Baasha]

Give me a break, so what would you do? Get a billion people from india to sit on the corner of the island of Britain to make it tip over?

I think it would be more fun if we stood on the shores and pissed on it it would just sink! XD.. in fact, that's our "shock and awe" policy..LOL

 

[Steeplerot]

I'm just stating what's mentioned in the Vedas.. since this thread is about "caste".. I thought it appropriate to bring up that point..

and.. I'm not even talking to you.. so why this animosity towards me?

Because you make your people look like primitive barbaric animals? That would be my first guess if I had some kind of cultural link in common with you. (thankfully I do not but I sure learned a lot today about Hindi fundamentalists, you guys are not much different then our bigots here -just a bit more open about it)

 

[Steeplerot]

I think it would be more fun if we stood on the shores and pissed on it it would just sink! XD.. in fact, that's our "shock and awe" policy..LOL

Seeing how your military performed during that terrorist attack a few years back I would check the wind direction first.

 

[CanOWorms]

Is Baasha Infohawk's alt account? They have similar ideological frameworks, just a different central topic.

Infohawk: Europe created everything in the world.
Baasha: India created everything in the world.

 

[busydude]

You are confusing jati and varna. The two are NOT the same and cannot be used interchangeably. Varna is based on karma.. which determines your birth at a certain place, time, and surrounding.

Karma is based on the concept of cause and effect of your "actions" in your past(life) and present.

Your actions define your Varna. Again you are never born into a Varna.

According to sastra's, a Brahmin should not leave his birth place and settle in a different location.. all the FOB Brahmin's you see in different countries are not considered Brahmin's according to Hinduism. Next time you visit a temple, ask the Priest his location of birth.

 

[busydude]

and.. I'm not even talking to you.. so why this animosity towards me?

If you think I am being hostile towards you.. you are wrong. Your interpretation of Hinduism is extremely narrow minded and egoistic.

 

[Baasha]

Is Baasha Infohawk's alt account? They have similar ideological frameworks, just a different central topic.

Infohawk: Europe created everything in the world.
Baasha: India created everything in the world.

never said India created "everything" in the world.. just some of the most important things in math, science, philosophy, and literature.. end of story..