India's Caste System Still an Obstacle to Modernization

[Infohawk]

LOL

He's EXACTLY like you except he's talking all about India instead of you talking all about Europe/West.

Hardly. Like I said I and other posters criticize western societies all the time. And I think there is a lot that is good about Asian cultures. Different civilizations have had their strengths and weaknesses. Western culture contributed mainly in government and in science / reason. They have not been especially strong in religion or promoting lifestyles that lead to contentment. (All their religions are from other places.) Let's see if Baasha or yourself has a similarly balanced view.

 

[CanOWorms]

Hardly. Like I said I and other posters criticize western societies all the time. And I think there is a lot that is good about Asian cultures. Different civilizations have had their strengths and weaknesses. Western culture contributed mainly in government and in science / reason. They have not been especially strong in religion or promoting lifestyles that lead to contentment. (All their religions are from other places.) Let's see if Baasha or yourself has a similarly balanced view.

Claiming that Western civilization invented science is not a balanced view. It's a ridiculous belief.

 

[Infohawk]

Claiming that Western civilization invented science is not a balanced view. It's a ridiculous belief.

I love how you leave out the rest of what I said, you intellectually dishonest troll. The scientific revolution took place in Europe during the Renaissance and began modern science. Sure people studied astronomy before but not to find natural laws.

 

[CanOWorms]

I love how you leave out the rest of what I said, you intellectually dishonest troll. The scientific revolution took place in Europe during the Renaissance and began modern science. Sure people studied astronomy before but not to find natural laws.

A scientific revolution took place in Europe, but it did not have a tremendous worldwide impact as you claim. It was also influenced by multicultural forces from outside of Europe. This multicultural scientific revolution is what provides us with what we have today.

You seem to be revising history again to fit your Eurocentric ideology.

 

[Infohawk]

A scientific revolution [...] did not have a tremendous worldwide impact as you claim.

We've reached our bizarro cow statement of the day. The entire face of the planet has been changed by inventions that spring from the Scientific Revolution for good or bad. From agricultural innovations that have allowed Indian populations to swell to over a billion people (and although you would never admit it outweigh the people killed by famines that you blame on Europeans) to military inventions that allowed tiny amounts of Europeans to rule South Asia.

 

[Patranus]

I love how the liberals all think that somehow a country and survive on a "services" economy.

All countries need an underclass to sustain themselves.

 

[Infohawk]

I love how the liberals all think that somehow a country and survive on a "services" economy.

All countries need an underclass to sustain themselves.

Are you saying you're a fan of caste systems?

 

[Baasha]

Wow, Baasha is definitely a nationalist. Completely emotional. What's sad is I don't think India is a bad place at all. I think they will continue to modernise and will eventually unshackle themselves from the caste system. Every country has its zealot nationalists who are a danger to world peace and mutual understanding. Baasha is one of those.

You're an untouchable that wouldn't be allowed within a mile of the sanctity of a temple, to even wash its floors. Thus, your statements mean absolutely nothing. You have descended from the scum of Europe, and that isn't saying much.

Because of the natural resources there? It's like saying Saudi Arabia is the richest country now. Sure everyone wants their oil but the people aren't exactly modern.

You are not only a bigoted idiot, you are the utmost ignorant one as well. Indians, from the Indus Valley Civilization, had the earliest city structures in the world. When Indians were living in palaces, your ancestors were running around naked and murdering each other.

You flesh-eating barbarians knew only how to kill, rape, murder, and steal. That fact is certain. Now, you're thievery consists of more subtle methods, like revisionist history, and setting up support structures that depend on exploitation of the lesser-fortunate. Such tomfoolery won't last long.

Remember you dolt, India is the only country on the face of this planet that still has its civilization intact. No other civilization can claim that; even the Chinese, whose history is also lost in antiquity, have capitulated to the bane of humanity; communism. You know what the kicker of it is? Communism is a western import!

Indian society was the most advanced for its time prior the invasions of the Arabs and the British. In fact, India only declined really rapidly after the British destroyed the Indian educational system; the gurukula. A school in which untouchables like you would be kept away from. The gurukula was the reason why Indian culture, specifically, Hindu culture, has been kept alive. In fact, it is only because of VarnASrama Dharma (caste), that India still retains its age-old traditions and culture. Otherwise, we, like you, would be celebrating shopping and praying merely for material benefit.

In India today, one can see thousand plus year old temples still intact. Some of them are in ruin due to neglect but they are monuments to the great civilization that is still there!

The same cannot be said of any other place. Stonehenge in Europe, the pyramids of Giza, the ziggurats of Mesopotamia, the temples of Machu Picchu and so on are monuments of a forgotten culture and people. They serve to remind us that the atrocities committed on the native populaces, whether by greedy European invaders or violent Arab marauders.

India and VarnASrama Dharma are here to stay. Funny though that an untouchable like you would get so worked up about it. I understand, in several hundred lifetimes, you may be born a human. Until then, keep your legs closed, eyes open, and mind clear from delusions of self-grandeur and self-importance, for that is the very root of 'evil'.

 

[Infohawk]

You're an untouchable that wouldn't be allowed within a mile of the sanctity of a temple, to even wash its floors. Thus, your statements mean absolutely nothing. You have descended from the scum of Europe, and that isn't saying much.

You are not only a bigoted idiot

Oh the irony. Are you a parody poster? Bravo if so.

 

[Baasha]

We've reached our bizarro cow statement of the day. The entire face of the planet has been changed by inventions that spring from the Scientific Revolution for good or bad. From agricultural innovations that have allowed Indian populations to swell to over a billion people (and although you would never admit it outweigh the people killed by famines that you blame on Europeans) to military inventions that allowed tiny amounts of Europeans to rule South Asia.

Agricultural "innovations"? LOL.. is that why the native Americans had to teach you vermin how to farm?

The so-called Scientific "Revolution" happened only because of copious amounts of knowledge and information was flowing from the middle-east to europe. And most of that info went from India to the middle east via trade.

The first centers of learning were in India; Nalanda and Takshashila. Again, a place that flourished when your ancestors were swinging on trees and murdering each other.

Again, all European imperialism was a combination of brute force, barbarity, and conniving divide-and-rule policies. Of course, many native populaces, including Indians, were warring with each other so that allowed for an open door for the British to sneak in, but that certainly isn't something to be "proud of". Although, for an untouchable like you, killing and destruction apart for thuggery are methods of "progress". What else can you expect from an untouchable? meh...

 

[Infohawk]

LOL.. is that why the native Americans had to teach you vermin how to farm?

Although I'm not sure how you're so sure I'm of European descent, do you admit you're racist against Caucasians?

 

[Baasha]

He's EXACTLY like you except he's talking all about India instead of you talking all about Europe/West.

Not at all. Infohawk is an apologist troll who blames the victims of genocide to feel important.

I am stating that India was never the instigator of any such genocide and if at all any comparison can be drawn, it is to curb the atrocious lies that this troll and others like him parrot here. This guy's avatar is certainly apt.

Of course, I think it's pointless as these idiots not only do not know how to state facts, they don't know what the facts are to begin with.

 

[Baasha]

Although I'm not sure how you're so sure I'm of European descent, do you admit you're racist against Caucasians?

LOL... gotta love the feeling of victimhood eh? self-pity is a drug... untouchables are quite fond of it.. as you've shown here.

 

[Infohawk]

LOL... gotta love the feeling of victimhood eh? self-pity is a drug... untouchables are quite fond of it.. as you've shown here.

I know you're very emotional right now, but can you answer the simple question? Do you think Caucasians are racially inferior?

 

[Baasha]

Sounds to me like bunch of excuses for not having done shit for the world but provide bad tech support service in the past 1000 years.

Did your Department of Enlightenment put itself on hold 1000 years ago? It would be typical.

You're attempt at humor is in and of itself humorous. Remember silly untouchable, we taught you apes how to count.

Your beliefs sound like they have not grown or adapted since Buddah ditched his wife to sit around and stare at his navel.

It's BUDDHA not Buddah.. didn't you learn how to spell? tsk tsk...

And, how do you know what "my" beliefs are?

By the way, we had people like you in America who thought certain types were born lesser and were slaves. We went to war against them, and they lost miserably. As I said, this old barbarian thinking has no place in the USA, don't bring your crappy barbarian beliefs here and think for a minute free people will not call you out.

Was that before or after you killed millions of native Americans including women and children by spreading your disease-ridden selves on them?

And, as I stated earlier, caste is not a 'belief', it is natural. And thus, you're an untouchable. An untouchable wearing a suit and perfume is still an untouchable. On that note, fetch my chai you pariah!

 

[Baasha]

I know you're very emotional right now, but can you answer the simple question? Do you think Caucasians are racially inferior?

Why don't you enlighten me with another Philosphical Revolution and tell me as you should surmise what I feel. Of course, that would require some amount of thinking and I'm afraid that's asking too much of pariahs like you.

Tell me where you're from, and I'll let you know the answer to the question! Deal?

 

[Infohawk]

Why don't you enlighten me with another Philosphical Revolution and tell me as you should surmise what I feel. Of course, that would require some amount of thinking and I'm afraid that's asking too much of pariahs like you.

Tell me where you're from, and I'll let you know the answer to the question! Deal?

I don't feel the need to negotiate with you. I asked you a simple question that is relevant to this discussion. Your question is irrelevant. Either you have the intellectual honesty to answer the question or you don't. I will just assume you don't going forward.

 

[Baasha]

I don't feel the need to negotiate with you. I asked you a simple question that is relevant to this discussion. Your question is irrelevant. Either you have the intellectual honesty to answer the question or you don't. I will just assume you don't going forward.

Nice cop out there untouchable! Not bad.. regardless of what I feel, the simple fact is that you're a worthless untouchable. So going forward, be comfortable knowing that!

 

[Infohawk]

Nice cop out there untouchable! Not bad.. regardless of what I feel, the simple fact is that you're a worthless untouchable. So going forward, be comfortable knowing that!

So you're a racist in addition to being intellectually dishonest and espousing barbaric prejudices (the caste system).

 

[CanOWorms]

We've reached our bizarro cow statement of the day. The entire face of the planet has been changed by inventions that spring from the Scientific Revolution for good or bad.

Yes, but not from your extremely narrow definition of Scientific Revolution, which seems to be a theory sprung out of Mein Kampf.

From agricultural innovations that have allowed Indian populations to swell to over a billion people (and although you would never admit it outweigh the people killed by famines that you blame on Europeans) to military inventions that allowed tiny amounts of Europeans to rule South Asia.

While some agricultural innovations came from Europe (just as they came from Somalia and anywhere else), I don't understand how you can claim that modern agricultural science that lead to population explosion came from there. The modern agricultural "Green Revolution" started with Norman Borlaug, an American. As I stated before (either in this thread or the other one), Europeans still to this day are against agricultural innovation. See their opposition to GM foods.

Western/European civilization did excel at producing methods of killing. I give you that.

 

[Baasha]

So you're a racist in addition to being intellectually dishonest and espousing barbaric prejudices (the caste system).

You talking about 'racism' and 'prejudice' has irony written all over it. Not because you are important, but because you're an untouchable. Cool joke!

 

[Infohawk]

YThe modern agricultural "Green Revolution" started with Norman Borlaug, an American.

Someone of European ancestry practicing modern science, a westerner.

 

[CanOWorms]

Someone of European ancestry practicing modern science, a westerner.

But he's American, not European. His ancestry is irrelevant unless you're relying on some genetic theory.

He was based in the United States, a country that is not Western but a hybrid nation.

Interestingly, he was opposed by many European officials in his projects, especially his later projects on GM crops.

 

[Infohawk]

But he's American, not European. His ancestry is irrelevant unless you're relying on some genetic theory.

He was based in the United States, a country that is not Western but a hybrid nation.

It's not a racial argument its a cultural one. Please feel free to explain what non-western influences he had.

 

[CanOWorms]

It's not a racial argument its a cultural one. Please feel free to explain what non-western influences he had.

He was educated and trained in the United States. His eventual career basically started working in Mexico with Mexican and American scientists. He then went on to work and collaborate with South Asian scientists.

His primary influences were not Western. However, most of his detractors were Western.