India - Pakistan Crisis

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Now it's India's turn to act. If there is a terrorist attack on Pakistan... hard to say what will happen but things will get bad really quick.

I see that you're still trying to find a way to blame India for your mess of a country.

sad that.

Stop exporting terrorism.

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But yet... you did.

:laugh:

Stop exporting terrorism.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Damn Indians won't let us live in peace. The threats of war are back and they're threatening to cut of all transport and business links. http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/co...tan-troop-movements-ts

I see it nothing more than pre-elections propaganda. They have to be careful not to overdo it though. If they bring this war upon themselves they will be sorry. Damn Indian propaganda makes my blood boil. Just look at online Media from Pakistan and India and notice the difference in tone. Fucking ridiculous! The damn Indian government is refusing to accept part of the blame for flaws in security and is trying to get out of jail by blaming us. Idiots!

Yeah, those damn Indians! How dare they respond to terrorism!

Speaking of propaganda, you're basically a mouthpiece for Pakistani propaganda on this message board. Are you even aware of that?

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I have to feel its my job to censor anyone who tries to set themselves up as the propaganda police. IMHO TheGreenBean has as much right to express his views
as anyone else, and there is no shortage of posters who spew various sides propaganda. If nothing else its a gage of emotions expressed, and human emotions
are as valid as hard and provable facts in terms of driving collective behavior.

Its our jobs as readers to filter out what we think is propaganda, and rebut it with facts. There is evidently much Indian anger out there, and its not helping to see
both sides engaging in Propaganda rather than working towards seeing incidents like the Mumbai terrorist do not recur.

In terms of the deeper reasons for the Mumbai attack, it was, IMHO, a cynical terrorist plot to force the Pakistan army into taking the pressure off of the tribal
areas of Pakistan and divert them to the Indian border, it seems to be working, and do we want the terrorists to win?

If not, wise up and think.

the ISI is in bed with all the militant organizations carrying out the insurgency/attacks in India. Its about time Obama changed the US policy of giving aid to Pakistan while they continue to become the breeding ground for AQ and Taliban

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Now it's India's turn to act. If there is a terrorist attack on Pakistan... hard to say what will happen but things will get bad really quick.

I see that you're still trying to find a way to blame India for your mess of a country.

sad that.

Stop exporting terrorism.

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Perhaps you should redraw your borders to include only areas you control, since Pakistan is being oh so wrongfully blamed for attacks coming out of areas you say yourself you do not control (or at least a large chunk of them). Then you can say it is no longer coming from Pakistan.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Looks like Pakistan is trying to make an omelet with all the egg on their faces.

Link

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) ? Pakistan was holding in custody the ringleader and five other suspects in the conspiracy behind a militant attack that killed 179 people in Mumbai, the top Pakistani interior ministry official said on Thursday.

"Some part of the conspiracy has taken place in Pakistan," Rehman Malik, adviser to the prime minister on the interior, told a news conference, detailing how the gunmen had sailed from Karachi to carry out the attack on the Indian financial capital between November 26-28.

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[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Looks like Pakistan is trying to make an omelet with all the egg on their faces.

Link

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) ? Pakistan was holding in custody the ringleader and five other suspects in the conspiracy behind a militant attack that killed 179 people in Mumbai, the top Pakistani interior ministry official said on Thursday.

"Some part of the conspiracy has taken place in Pakistan," Rehman Malik, adviser to the prime minister on the interior, told a news conference, detailing how the gunmen had sailed from Karachi to carry out the attack on the Indian financial capital between November 26-28.

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The launched an investigation; and made public (to some extent) what they found. What's wrong with that?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Looks like Pakistan is trying to make an omelet with all the egg on their faces.

Link

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) ? Pakistan was holding in custody the ringleader and five other suspects in the conspiracy behind a militant attack that killed 179 people in Mumbai, the top Pakistani interior ministry official said on Thursday.

"Some part of the conspiracy has taken place in Pakistan," Rehman Malik, adviser to the prime minister on the interior, told a news conference, detailing how the gunmen had sailed from Karachi to carry out the attack on the Indian financial capital between November 26-28.

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The launched an investigation; and made public (to some extent) what they found. What's wrong with that?

Nothing. They were dragged kicking and screaming into doing that.

If you review your posts and those announcements out of Pakistan by their media back in Nov/Dec; no matter what India said, Pakistan denied it and claimed that more proof was needed.

"It was Indian terrorists"
"Evidence was planted"
"The person caught could not be from Pakistan"
"Cell phone records are not acceptable"
"It could not have been organized/coordinated from Pakistan"
"Pakistan does not allow terrorism"

etc.

Evidence had to be shoved down the Pakistan governmetn throat for them to do something. And the world had to keep pressing for accountability to avoid the investigation from being swept under the rug.

Everyting that Pakistan initially denied and India claimed has been proven true. How deep into the government will this lead or be allowed to lead?

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Looks like Pakistan is trying to make an omelet with all the egg on their faces.

Link

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) ? Pakistan was holding in custody the ringleader and five other suspects in the conspiracy behind a militant attack that killed 179 people in Mumbai, the top Pakistani interior ministry official said on Thursday.

"Some part of the conspiracy has taken place in Pakistan," Rehman Malik, adviser to the prime minister on the interior, told a news conference, detailing how the gunmen had sailed from Karachi to carry out the attack on the Indian financial capital between November 26-28.

............................

The launched an investigation; and made public (to some extent) what they found. What's wrong with that?

Nothing. They were dragged kicking and screaming into doing that.

If you review your posts and those announcements out of Pakistan by their media back in Nov/Dec; no matter what India said, Pakistan denied it and claimed that more proof was needed.

"It was Indian terrorists"
"Evidence was planted"
"The person caught could not be from Pakistan"
"Cell phone records are not acceptable"
"It could not have been organized/coordinated from Pakistan"
"Pakistan does not allow terrorism"

etc.

Evidence had to be shoved down the Pakistan governmetn throat for them to do something. And the world had to keep pressing for accountability to avoid the investigation from being swept under the rug.

Everyting that Pakistan initially denied and India claimed has been proven true. How deep into the government will this lead or be allowed to lead?

I am sure they will find a scapegoat and wash their hands off.

 

[Whitecloak]

tgb will find some way of spinning it.

 

[palehorse]

Never forget that TGB was for the Taliban before he was against them... or was it the other way around?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Never forget that TGB was for the Taliban before he was against them... or was it the other way around?

I was NEVER "for" the taliban. I just didn't think we needed to be concerned about them.

 

[palehorse]

So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

I'd actually like to see your description of said involvement. It's your definition that will demonstrate whether or not you remain in total or partial denial.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

I'd actually like to see your description of said involvement. It's your definition that will demonstrate whether or not you remain in total or partial denial.

I refuse to accept that there was any "official" involvement. Our government is so weak that when the Indians bombed the Samjhota express they just sat back and did absolutely nothing. Zardari and company should be hanged for high treason. As they; say oppressive rulers live a short life.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

I'd actually like to see your description of said involvement. It's your definition that will demonstrate whether or not you remain in total or partial denial.

I refuse to accept that there was any "official" involvement. Our government is so weak that when the Indians bombed the Samjhota express they just sat back and did absolutely nothing. Zardari and company should be hanged for high treason. As they; say oppressive rulers live a short life.

You ask others to "define Pakistani involvement", yet seem to have no trouble implicating the Indian Government.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

ISI

Same as with the Taliban movement in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I don't know where you are but anyone in the areas where there are ISI training camps for the Talibans should probably get out of the way. Like real fucking fast.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

I'd actually like to see your description of said involvement. It's your definition that will demonstrate whether or not you remain in total or partial denial.

Actually, i think he's just trying to be a good citizen and a patriot to his nation, i know i've kicked him in the nuts several times but we have to remember that for him, Pakistan is his nation.

They have also came down had on every site where "some entity" has reported that there are Taliban groups.

I'm willing to give Pakistan credit for that, saved me the effort and the USAF the missiles.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

I'd actually like to see your description of said involvement. It's your definition that will demonstrate whether or not you remain in total or partial denial.

I refuse to accept that there was any "official" involvement. Our government is so weak that when the Indians bombed the Samjhota express they just sat back and did absolutely nothing. Zardari and company should be hanged for high treason. As they; say oppressive rulers live a short life.

Isn't there an ongoing investigation into this matter though?

I can certainly appreciate that you don't want a terrorist act like that to go unpunished.

You don't want to hear this but i think it's only a matter of time before an opressive military regime takes part unless you as citizens stand up and claim your country, you would have the support in the UN to do it and there are troops on the ground that are actually there to protect the civilians from both ISI talibans and other taliban troops.

Point being, we got your back if you should choose to do this right.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

I'd actually like to see your description of said involvement. It's your definition that will demonstrate whether or not you remain in total or partial denial.

I refuse to accept that there was any "official" involvement. Our government is so weak that when the Indians bombed the Samjhota express they just sat back and did absolutely nothing. Zardari and company should be hanged for high treason. As they; say oppressive rulers live a short life.

Isn't there an ongoing investigation into this matter though?

I can certainly appreciate that you don't want a terrorist act like that to go unpunished.

You don't want to hear this but i think it's only a matter of time before an opressive military regime takes part unless you as citizens stand up and claim your country, you would have the support in the UN to do it and there are troops on the ground that are actually there to protect the civilians from both ISI talibans and other taliban troops.

Point being, we got your back if you should choose to do this right.

Zardari is a joke. He claims to know the killers of Bhutto yet won't tell even though he is the president of the damn country!! They murder a former prime minister and fail to catch the culprits; what ridiculous is that. Too bad for me the masses of Pakistan are uneducated and stupid. They should suffer they voted in a corrupt, uneducated thief.

Wahabism has breaded the taliban; not the ISI. That's my opinion and unless you prove otherwise I will continue to believe you are bonkers.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse
So, TGB, are you ready to admit to Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks yet?

Define "Pakistani involvement."

I'd actually like to see your description of said involvement. It's your definition that will demonstrate whether or not you remain in total or partial denial.

I refuse to accept that there was any "official" involvement. Our government is so weak that when the Indians bombed the Samjhota express they just sat back and did absolutely nothing. Zardari and company should be hanged for high treason. As they; say oppressive rulers live a short life.

Isn't there an ongoing investigation into this matter though?

I can certainly appreciate that you don't want a terrorist act like that to go unpunished.

You don't want to hear this but i think it's only a matter of time before an opressive military regime takes part unless you as citizens stand up and claim your country, you would have the support in the UN to do it and there are troops on the ground that are actually there to protect the civilians from both ISI talibans and other taliban troops.

Point being, we got your back if you should choose to do this right.

Zardari is a joke. He claims to know the killers of Bhutto yet won't tell even though he is the president of the damn country!! They murder a former prime minister and fail to catch the culprits; what ridiculous is that. Too bad for me the masses of Pakistan are uneducated and stupid. They should suffer they voted in a corrupt, uneducated thief.

Wahabism has breaded the taliban; not the ISI. That's my opinion and unless you prove otherwise I will continue to believe you are bonkers.

Actually the ISI has been involved in several incidents, you don't have to trust me on this but i have absolutely no reason to lie to you so think about it.

We can't do shit more than in and out and local hits unless the people want to do something about it themselves, i agree that Zardari is a fucking joke, the power lies in the hands of local powerlords, the Taliban and the ISI right now but it doesn't have to be that way.

I can promise you this much, if the people wants to stand up there would be support for you internationally and even support inside your country already.

The Talibans is THE most influential political group in the area right now, denying that will mean that you refuse to acknowledge it and then... well it's got to be fixed so keep your head down while i point a laser at the target.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

The way I see it is even the Taliban is better than Zardari. He's a retarded thief. He's so corrupt it's not even funny. He's bought people into power who extorting millions from the masses to fill their pockets. Literally saying if you don't give me money; I have guns. Happened with me and has probably happened with others too. If he gets too powerful; I fear that we will be in a lot deeper shit. We're blessed with the worst politicians in the world. Have you heard our PM talk? He's an embarrassment. No matter what question you ask him he has the same answer. Some bullshit about democracy. Idiots. Spineless greedy idiots.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

The way I see it is even the Taliban is better than Zardari.

Therein lies your inevitable downfall... while you and your fellow countrymen sit around and do next to nothing about either problem.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

The way I see it is even the Taliban is better than Zardari.

Therein lies your inevitable downfall... while you and your fellow countrymen sit around and do next to nothing about either problem.

What are we supposed to do? Our fate is decided in Washington. The PM said that it wasn't the people of Pakistan that got rid of Musharraf; it wasn't his party; it was the US.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

The way I see it is even the Taliban is better than Zardari.

Therein lies your inevitable downfall... while you and your fellow countrymen sit around and do next to nothing about either problem.

What are we supposed to do? Our fate is decided in Washington. The PM said that it wasn't the people of Pakistan that got rid of Musharraf; it wasn't his party; it was the US.

your fate is what your people choose - directly or indirectly.

Taking action to show the world that you are in control of your country. (more than lip service)

Or sit back and accept the consequences of others controlling your country and taking away your controlled territory.

The Taliban is not going to be satisfied with one little section. The more of Pakistan they can control, the more pressure on them is also removed from Afghanistan.

The Taliban aslo does not want educated people around to challenge them.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

The way I see it is even the Taliban is better than Zardari.

Therein lies your inevitable downfall... while you and your fellow countrymen sit around and do next to nothing about either problem.

What are we supposed to do? Our fate is decided in Washington. The PM said that it wasn't the people of Pakistan that got rid of Musharraf; it wasn't his party; it was the US.

your fate is what your people choose - directly or indirectly.

Taking action to show the world that you are in control of your country. (more than lip service)

Or sit back and accept the consequences of others controlling your country and taking away your controlled territory.

The Taliban is not going to be satisfied with one little section. The more of Pakistan they can control, the more pressure on them is also removed from Afghanistan.

The Taliban aslo does not want educated people around to challenge them.

It's not only the taliban that doesn't want the people educated to challenge them. The military; bureaucrats, corrupt politicians, nobody wants us to be educated. There's no point pretending to be in control. I'll let the political parties fight it out - with guns (like they do).

I still don't see any chance of the taliban taking over. Traitor Zardari's comments are just to milk money out of USA. Karachi City - The government claims the taliban's presence. I see nothing. There are girls who roam about with what I'd consider indecent exposure and nobody says anything let alone touching schools. It's all a game. No Taliban is coming here. The political parties are as well armed as the taliban even if the army was miraculously defeated for the taliban to conquer.

The max the Taliban can get is the NWFP. If the broke away I'd say good riddance. They are a burden on us in every way. I maybe called a traitor for saying that; but it's the truth. In fact I'd be happy to join any sort of Indian federation provided we have full autonomy except in defense and foreign relations.