I just watched the whole Serena Williams meltdown.

[s0me0nesmind1]

Meh, put her in the Lance category along with just about every other professional athlete. I say that if you can't keep roids out for every single player, embrace them....balls to the wall.

Serena will show you hers....

 

[rh71]

I understand your point but it doesnt excuse that behavior in a setting where professionalism is expected. There is no excuse for a tantrum, babies being the exception. Straight up embarrassing.

This is the championship game and she felt she was wronged, especially so after the opponent was awarded points. All after a false accusation. Your statement doesn't apply here IMO.

Yell professionalism all you want, but this was for all the marbles and you worked your ass off to get here. Just sit there and take it, because people are watching? I think something else is more important in this case.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Male players are typically given far more warnings for that kind of behavior and told "look if you keep this up I'm going to give you a penalty and that will be a game penalty". If she continued after that then OK. As far as the coaching thing, I have read from numerous places that it is absurdly common for that to occur and they are never warned or issued a penalty. Her coach even said that has done it in almost every match he coached and this was the very first time he got called on it. The US Open final is NOT the place to start putting your foot down on a widespread practice. Worse she wasn't even looking at the coach. I would "think" that the absolute last thing a ref would want to do is give a game penalty in the US Open final. Also, in the very same US Open a male player absolutely destroys his racket and he wasn't penalized:

Dude, the video in the OP is like... over 15 minutes. It is just nonstop cuts of Serena doing stupid actions, or making stupid comments... CONTINUOUSLY. I am ALL for giving people a chance if they smash a racket and vent some anger in frustratation. When you nonstop tell a ref that he is a "liar" and a "thief" and that he "stole my points" EVERY. FIVE. MINUTES inbetween sets, inbetween breaks, everytime she walked past the god damn ref she had a comment. You don't get an infinite amount of warnings. You get told a warning, and then you cease the stupid actions. That's a warning. It doesn't permit you to keep making stupid comment after stupid comment.

Add on top of that the nonverbal cues of nonstop eye-rolls, and you're basically disrespecting an authority figure each time. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Schmide]

The funniest and ironic thing in all this is Osaka’s father, Leonard Francois, is a coach and seems to know he can't even be there and must wander the grounds for fear of affecting the match.

 

[NetWareHead]

This is the championship game and she felt she was wronged, especially so after the opponent was awarded points. All after a false accusation. Your statement doesn't apply here IMO.

Yell professionalism all you want, but this was for all the marbles and you worked your ass off to get here. Just sit there and take it, because people are watching? I think something else is more important in this case.

Nobody gets a license to yell, screech and act like an oversized baby because of emotions, feelings etc... Actually kids do, adults, not so much. What you feel, think etc..., is inconsequential when compared to what is supposed to be happening instead: The US Open; a setting that is supposed to be the pinnacle of professional tennis in the USA.

Its disrespect for the court, the game and for the governing body that conducts the sporting event. It was cringeworthy. And all because she could not shut her mouth, had to continue on and make drama in a setting wholly inappropriate for this sort of scene. This is a tennis match not a stage production. Nobody paid to see that. They want to see professional tennis. She would have had plenty of opportunity to make her opinion known after the fact. She could have eloquently represented her PoV later, without pulling the woman card or other far-reaching strawman argument.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Just to highlight the absurdity of the coaching rule that started this entire train wreck, this is from ESPN.

ESPN... I mean, they don't have a clear bias these days or anything on political stances....

 

[Brainonska511]

Quite a racist cartoon you've got there.

Australian newspaper (Herald Sun) cartoon about the incident:

Osaka won square and fair. Williams is just like the QB of the Panthers. Smiling and all when winning but whining and full of excuses when things didn't go their ways.

 

[NetWareHead]

Quite a racist cartoon you've got there.

Ahh yes, someone had to play the race card.

 

[Brainonska511]

Ahh yes, someone had to play the race card.

The cartoon is obviously racist - it's drawn in the style of Jim Crow representations of black women.

Not my fault you're ignorant of history.

 

[NetWareHead]

The cartoon is obviously racist - it's drawn in the style of Jim Crow representations of black women and to top it off, representing Osaka as a blonde woman.

Looks like an screaming black woman to me. Have you seen a picture of Serena? Her facial features are kinda thick. I think its just supposed to be caricature. No racism found here. And Osaka actually does have blonde hair and is depicted as darker than the the referee.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Quite a racist cartoon you've got there.

wtf is wrong with you people? It's a CARTOON. The entire point of a drawing is to emphasize that one side is acting LIKE A BABY.

What is racist about it? Please. Do tell. Oh? Is it because she is black? Because last I checked, Serena is black. Did you know Serena Williams is black?

Did your mommy and daddy teach you that you're always a victim in life and nothing is ever your fault?

 

[rh71]

Nobody gets a license to yell, screech and act like an oversized baby because of emotions, feelings etc... Actually kids do, adults, not so much. What you feel, think etc..., is inconsequential when compared to what is supposed to be happening instead: The US Open; a setting that is supposed to be the pinnacle of professional tennis in the USA.

Its disrespect for the court, the game and for the governing body that conducts the sporting event. It was cringeworthy. And all because she could not shut her mouth, had to continue on and make drama in a setting wholly inappropriate for this sort of scene. This is a tennis match not a stage production. Nobody paid to see that. They want to see professional tennis. She would have had plenty of opportunity to make her opinion known after the fact. She could have eloquently represented her PoV later, without pulling the woman card or other far-reaching strawman argument.

It is not a license to do anything, obviously. It was raw emotion and I do not fault her one bit for it given the stakes. Everything you state is from a viewer's perspective. Not someone in her place. That's important, because the audience matters zero in any of this.

 

[feralkid]

I like the ruling. It seems that the Williams sisters think that they have more power than the officials now, and needed to be put back into their place.

Whoa...poor choice of words, Colonel.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It is not a license to do anything, obviously. It was raw emotion and I do not fault her one bit for it given the stakes. Everything you state is from a viewer's perspective. Not someone in her place. That's important, because the audience matters zero in any of this.

That's why I've said multiple times in this thread - I sympathize with any athlete that gets hot-headed and has to release stress. You bang the racket to let off the steam and yell some obsceneties and thats it. After the rage gets released, you realize what you're doing is stupid and you cease further actions. That is not what Serena did.

I did that. I used to get pissed off at videogames that I was trying to beat on expert level and would smash my controller against the table. 5 seconds later I would then say "Fuck that was stupid now I need to buy a new controller...."

 

[Mayne]

That's why I've said multiple times in this thread - I sympathize with any athlete that gets hot-headed and has to release stress. You bang the racket to let off the steam and yell some obsceneties and thats it. After the rage gets released, you realize what you're doing is stupid and you cease further actions. That is not what Serena did.

I did that. I used to get pissed off at videogames that I was trying to beat on expert level and would smash my controller against the table. 5 seconds later I would then say "Fuck that was stupid now I need to buy a new controller...."

I used to do the same...I would swing the controller into my head repeatedly..even bite the controller..ended up throwing the whole damn console into the lake one day.

 

[Svnla]

Quite a racist cartoon you've got there.

I will let the author of the cartoon speaks for himself and others that know him well say about him/his work.

Knight said it was a cartoon about poor behaviour.
“Three days before I had drawn a cartoon about Nick Kyrgios being led off by the ears, like you used to do with your children,” he said.
“The cartoon about Serena is about her poor behaviour on the day, not about race.”
Knight said he had been unfairly criticised on social media channels.
“I tried to reply to these people but they just don’t listen,” he said.

Broadcaster Neil Mitchell defended Knight this morning on his 3AW radio program.

“This shows an awful misunderstanding of Mark Knight and this country,” he said.
“I looked at that cartoon and it didn’t even cross my mind it was about race.
“It was a sports bully, a petulant child throwing a tantrum about losing.”
Mitchell said ugly accusations were being labelled against Knight that were unfair.
“She behaved badly, she probably knows it,” he said.
“For heaven’s sake.
“He’s sending Serena up, not because she’s black, but because she was acting like a bully and a child.
“And he’s right.”

Don't forget to scroll down all the way to see his other works. How he poked fun at everyone, especially Harvey W. Oh noooooo....rrrrrraccccccciiiiiiissssstttttttt toons, right? LOL.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/v...s/news-story/30c877e3937a510d64609d89ac521d9f

And he is not alone. Look at what other news outlets in Australia have to say about the incident:

DISGRACEFUL, disappointing, unbelievable — these are just some of the words Australian media has used to describe Serena Williams’ incredible US Open final breakdown.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/19d5cec73819ecd15ccb815120d0550c

ALL Racists, right? LOL.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I will let the author of the cartoon speaks for himself and others that know him well say about him/his work.




Don't forget to scroll down all the way to see his other works. How he poked fun at everyone, especially Harvey W. Oh noooooo....rrrrrraccccccciiiiiiissssstttttttt toons, right? LOL.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/v...s/news-story/30c877e3937a510d64609d89ac521d9f

And he is not alone. Look at how other news outlets in Australia say about the incident:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/19d5cec73819ecd15ccb815120d0550c

ALL Racists, right? LOL.

Quit trying. Certain people are literally LOOKING to FIND racism. As if they have some kind of secret decoder ring that no sane rational person has.

 

[manly]

Personally, I'm not on Serena's side over this fiasco. She's mostly in the wrong, although there is certainly a school of thought that umpires/referees should not choose actions that greatly affect the outcome of major sports events. In many sports, superstars get superstar treatment. Although I personally believe Serena pulling the gender card is bogus, it's fair to ask why did the chair umpire choose the US Open final to impose code violations? A worse example IMO was in 2009 when Williams was called for a questionable foot fault at 0-1, 5-6 against Kim Clijsters (after which Williams lost it and blew up). Does this type of random ticky tack shit happen to other tennis legends? As Darwin333 said, could Carlos Ramos at any point have warned Williams to back off or face penalties? I do feel Williams grossly overreacted towards Ramos, and that by the letter of the law, he didn't do anything wrong.

Having said that, some of you are tools for not seeing that cartoon as problematic. At best it's an innocent caricature. I rarely pull the "because we're American card" but we're supposed to take Australians' word for it that there was no bad intent? I can accept at face value Knight's assertion that there was no racial intention. But why does it matter that other Australians were highly disappointed in Serena's outburst?

I'm no SJW, but the question is whether the cartoon itself is problematic. As Brainonska511 is saying, look at how Serena is portrayed. And then Haitian-Japanese American Naomi Osaka is apparently turned into a fair-skinned blonde. It's hard to imagine that the editorial department of any major U.S. newspaper would approve this cartoon as is. It may not be intentionally or overtly racist, but there is history/context in the U.S. to consider.

But since the Aussies say it's OK, I guess we should all be cool about it...

 

[Exterous]

So I don't watch tennis at all so perhaps I am off base for this sport but from my general impression is that you can use a lot of foul language around refs/umps and deride their observational powers but as soon as you impugn their integrity you're done. That's the hallmark of their role and typically a clear line is drawn where something like screaming "You're fucking blind!" is tolerated but telling them "You're a liar" or "you threw the game" is not.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I would have been on her side if it hadn't been so much and if she hadn't used the word owe. She lost me at the entitlement.

 

[rh71]

That's why I've said multiple times in this thread - I sympathize with any athlete that gets hot-headed and has to release stress. You bang the racket to let off the steam and yell some obsceneties and thats it. After the rage gets released, you realize what you're doing is stupid and you cease further actions. That is not what Serena did.

I did that. I used to get pissed off at videogames that I was trying to beat on expert level and would smash my controller against the table. 5 seconds later I would then say "Fuck that was stupid now I need to buy a new controller...."

She let off steam then was triggered again when she banged her racket and lost a point - something that others don't get called for either as mentioned in this thread. It was just a culmination of everything, which started from something she didn't even do to begin with. And there's a history of it against her at the US Open. You made it sound like this is a one-off where she should just let it go because shit happens... but that's not the case - apparently it keeps happening to her (see 2nd video, post #26).

 

[Papagayo]

Australian newspaper (Herald Sun) cartoon about the incident:

Osaka won square and fair. Williams is just like the QB of the Panthers. Smiling and all when winning but whining and full of excuses when things didn't go their ways.

As much as I don't like Serena... That cartoon is just wrong and racist.

 

[ultimatebob]

I’d like to think that I’m colorblind when it comes to assholes... I hate them all equally. In this case, Serena was being an asshole on the court and got properly punished for it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

As much as I don't like Serena... That cartoon is just wrong and racist.

Anyone that sees racism in this cartoon seriously has some mental issues. What about it is racist? What about it is untrue? It's an exaggeration of her acting like a baby on the court.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Personally, I'm not on Serena's side over this fiasco. She's mostly in the wrong, although there is certainly a school of thought that umpires/referees should not choose actions that greatly affect the outcome of major sports events. In many sports, superstars get superstar treatment. Although I personally believe Serena pulling the gender card is bogus, it's fair to ask why did the chair umpire choose the US Open final to impose code violations? A worse example IMO was in 2009 when Williams was called for a questionable foot fault at 0-1, 5-6 against Kim Clijsters (after which Williams lost it and blew up). Does this type of random ticky tack shit happen to other tennis legends? As Darwin333 said, could Carlos Ramos at any point have warned Williams to back off or face penalties? I do feel Williams grossly overreacted towards Ramos, and that by the letter of the law, he didn't do anything wrong.

Having said that, some of you are tools for not seeing that cartoon as problematic. At best it's an innocent caricature. I rarely pull the "because we're American card" but we're supposed to take Australians' word for it that there was no bad intent? I can accept at face value Knight's assertion that there was no racial intention. But why does it matter that other Australians were highly disappointed in Serena's outburst?

I'm no SJW, but the question is whether the cartoon itself is problematic. As Brainonska511 is saying, look at how Serena is portrayed. And then Haitian-Japanese American Naomi Osaka is apparently turned into a fair-skinned blonde. It's hard to imagine that the editorial department of any major U.S. newspaper would approve this cartoon as is. It may not be intentionally or overtly racist, but there is history/context in the U.S. to consider.

But since the Aussies say it's OK, I guess we should all be cool about it...

By definition - we as humans are all different.

Each human decides what is "crossing the line" as far as rules and what is not. Each of us decides what is "too offensive" or not. Hence why there are umpires to begin with. No doubt, I believe a big part of the strategy is to always assess every umpire or authority figure in any sporting event to try to determine how strict or lenient they are.

If we all just went by generally set rules we wouldn't have umpires to assess things, we would just use instant replay cameras. That is a part of that game that has been debated in many sports over the last few years. Either way, that is the way most sports stand today - so that is what all players must deal with.

Also the point of the cartoon was that of ANY caricature - One is ACTING LIKE A BABY. The other one is a sane and rational human that isn't acting like a baby. Well portrayed if you ask me - but if you're constantly in search of racial division, there is no doubt anyone can be ignorant enough to sketch that in their mind regardless of the drawing. I don't care what it is - SOMEONE will find ANY drawing offensive if they put their mind to it. That - IMO is one of the most pathetic things about our victim culture mentally of a society. TRYING to find offense that simply isn't there.