I just watched the whole Serena Williams meltdown.

[ibex333]

Serena Williams showed her true "color"...

 

[Schmide]

Equally ironic is that Serena doesn't accept coaching during matches in the tournaments that it is allowed.

You don't have to accept it. The warning is triggered by the coach!!!



To the cartoon: All caricature do exacerbate features. The scrunched up faces of white farmers, the thin and overly sharp features of high society. The reason you can't return to when these racist depictions were common is, they were used to subjugate whole segments of our society. They have more meaning than just conveying who is there. FFS the shrunken head is full on eugenics.

If you don't get it you never will.

 

[Darwin333]

You don't have to accept it. The warning is triggered by the coach!!!

I know it was, that wasn't the point that I was trying to make.

 

[Svnla]

Latest news, officials are considering boycotting any matched played by Williams (allegedly).

Times of London reports that there is a growing consensus that umpires feel they were “not supported by the USTA” on several occasions and cite one anonymous source claiming that umpires are considering boycotting matches played by Williams there is a growing consensus that umpires feel they were “not supported by the USTA” on several occasions and cite one anonymous source claiming that umpires are considering boycotting matches played by Williams.

https://sports.yahoo.com/reports-um...s-matches-fearful-next-ramos-2-220947324.html

 

[Svnla]

Yes, I watched the match and wholeheartedly believe Naomi Osaka won fair and square. Although Carlos Ramos may have robbed the fans of a competitive 2nd (or 3rd) set, I take nothing away from Osaka. If Williams can't keep her emotions in check over a point penalty, I'm not going to defend her right to play out the match. Comparing Williams to Cam Newton is laughable, but since you brought it up, I'll respond. Williams is one of the 2 greatest women's tennis players of all time. You may not like her, you may question her physique and insult her looks (I've been there), but most believe she and Steffi Graf have no equals at the top. So likening Williams to Cam Newton as a sore loser is wholly unfair. Even if Williams rubs some fans the wrong way, she probably has her own reasons for wearing a big chip on her shoulders despite all the success.

When the topic of the cartoon came up is when you started linking to the Herald Sun's official denial of racism. But your point was never about Mark Knight when you kept on bringing up his intent with your A+ link game? You're the guy who cited all of your links as irrefutable FACTS. Like I said, I'm done arguing about the cartoon. If Knight has drawn benign caricatures in the past is not evidence that the latest one is without issue.

I read Martina's op-ed and I found it well argued. She clearly believes in taking the high road for the good of the sport. I'll take opinions about this fiasco from those who played the game at the highest level over yours, and I'll do that every single time.

@s0me0nesmind1 The Slate article clearly explains in its second paragraph why some people are offended by the cartoon. Again you can disagree with the stated rationale or remain unconvinced, but quit denying that it has been explained. And unlike other commentators, I've never even said "this cartoon is racist." Honestly there's nothing to debate since a group of you strongly feel this cartoon is perfectly innocent (because the artist even said so!). Let's save the endless talking past each other for P&N.

You are still trying too hard to spin my point into something that was not. Talk about sheer desperation and pathetic.

I already told you my point, I even quoted it. Williams is a pathetic whiner when things did not go her way, just like Cam. Nothing about how many championships won but the repeating childish behavior Point.

You tried to spin it because I posted links from the artist himself, people that work with him and know him for years, and his employer. Why? Did you even bother to scroll up and see butthurting individuals like yourself whined and bitched and pulled the race card out of thin air? That's why I posted the links, not because of the artist was all that as you claimed I said so (never did) but because I didn't want to put my words as his. I will take words from people that know him for years over butthurting individuals any time of the week. Game.

Still nothing from you about my question should white folks be butthurting like you because the artist did have several drawings with excessive features on whites. Hell, Gigaton even posted the latest first page of the newspaper. How many whites were in that page? Well? What is the matter, cup cake? Still silent and try to wimp out, eh? Set and Match.

 

[Schmide]

I know it was, that wasn't the point that I was trying to make.

I get it now. My bad

 

[BUTCH1]

True. And while I agree that Serena let herself get a bit out of control, it is pretty obvious that some here are forgetting (or perhaps too young to have experienced) the way that "bad boy" players like Connors and McEnroe used to berate the chair umpire and the linesmen during their matches.

True, but rules sometimes change and the way they are enforced will change depending on who's in charge. Good NFL players, good MLB players, know about a Ref's tendencies well before taking the field. Williams insistence for this ref to "apologize" over and over were quite a shit-show IMO.

 

[manly]

Simply put, Svnla, you're an assclown. That's my opinion based on the threads I've seen you debate in. You present links as if that proves superior debating skill, can't understand the counter-points people try to make and then huff and puff when you deem yourself as having won the argument.

I'm no fan of Cam Newton, and I'm not even a big Serena Williams supporter. Williams has had her share of flare-ups at the US Open, but comparing the two as equivalent whiners is just unfair.

You simply don't understand what people are writing about why the cartoon is offensive to some Americans: historical context. It doesn't matter that the artist and his supporters claim there was no malicious intent. You keep repeating this point time and again. The fact that you choose to ignore American history after it's been explained is your issue and I DGAF. Cling to your ideas that it's unfair that a lot of people are deeply offended by this cartoon, and that they must all be easily offended by nothing. More power to you for believing people should not see parallels to Jim Crow era cartoons. You're obviously not alone and it's not even a minority opinion.

If you're trying to suggest that the botox-injected woman (a Kardashian?) or Mark Zuckerberg were portrayed in an offensive light without causing a media storm, then show us some people who are offended. The depiction of Zuckerberg doesn't seem over the line to me, nor was that cartoon a personal attack on him. I've never heard of anyone thinking drawing botox lips could be offensive towards white people as a class, but thanks anyway for bringing up that comparison. Nobody here is arguing for censorship of enlarged human features in caricatures.

I agree with Schmide, if you don't get it by now, you never will. I'm not here to impugn the artist's character and especially after watching his interview on CNN, I have no doubt he meant no malice. Mark Knight can be a stand-up guy and this could still be an insensitive cartoon; those are not mutually exclusive.

Please give me some more links to read, run the up score man, hit some more aces. Give us more of that Charlie Sheen #Winning! Your hands must be red and hurting from high-fiving yourself so much. Anyway, I'm done with you. You've won the debate, so accept your champion's trophy and go throw a victory parade or something.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Simply put, Svnla, you're an assclown. That's my opinion based on the threads I've seen you debate in. You present links as if that proves superior debating skill, can't understand the counter-points people try to make and then huff and puff when you deem yourself as having won the argument.

I'm no fan of Cam Newton, and I'm not even a big Serena Williams supporter. Williams has had her share of flare-ups at the US Open, but comparing the two as equivalent whiners is just unfair.

You simply don't understand what people are writing about why the cartoon is offensive to some Americans: historical context. It doesn't matter that the artist and his supporters claim there was no malicious intent. You keep repeating this point time and again. The fact that you choose to ignore American history after it's been explained is your issue and I DGAF. Cling to your ideas that it's unfair that a lot of people are deeply offended by this cartoon, and that they must all be easily offended by nothing. More power to you for believing people should not see parallels to Jim Crow era cartoons. You're obviously not alone and it's not even a minority opinion.

You do... realize... that... something is historically racist in one country doesn't mean the same for another country. Nor does that even hold any bearing in this case to begin with since no one here can explain to me what caricature ANYONE can draw with ANY black person that you won't take offense too.

But for example, I could call you a c*nt and it would be incredibly offensive. That isn't the case in England, because... you know... CONTEXT. You should try getting some.

To put it simply in your own words: YOU simply don't understand - clearly..

 

[Schmide]

WTF Google shit dude.

Australia is historically racist.

http://nationalunitygovernment.org/content/racist-australia-illustrated

 

[manly]

You do... realize... that... something is historically racist in one country doesn't mean the same for another country. Nor does that even hold any bearing in this case to begin with since no one here can explain to me what caricature ANYONE can draw with ANY black person that you won't take offense too.

But for example, I could call you a c*nt and it would be incredibly offensive. That isn't the case in England, because... you know... CONTEXT. You should try getting some.

To put it simply in your own words: YOU simply don't understand - clearly..

I don't begrudge Mark Knight for not knowing American history. Not sure how many times I have to repeat that I accept his explanation of the cartoon. But for Americans like you to ignore U.S. history and just claim upset people are thin-skinned or SJWs is weak. Honestly, I don't care what you think. You're entitled to an ignorant opinion just like anybody else is.

Are you now implying that a black person can never be caricatured without me claiming racial insensitivity? I'm not an expert in the art, but yesterday I saw a caricature of Barack Obama. Yes it exaggerated some of his features, but I didn't find it even mildly offensive. It did not resemble Jim Crow era racist cartoons. A Google image search shows most of Obama's caricatures are similar, exaggerating his ears and his grin and making him look goofy. Offense not found.

Not like you give a fuck; because as long as the artist didn't mean any harm and it was all in good humor, what does it matter there's any resemblance to historically racist cartoons? That's more or less your stated opinion. And to be clear, I totally understand your words. I just flatly disagree with them. I won't sit here and whine that you haven't explained yourself.

Are there times the PC police is outrageous and or laughable? Absolutely. I just don't think this is one of those times.

@Schmide that was the gist of the Slate op-ed I linked to, and I've read other similar pieces. Mostly news to me.

 

[WelshBloke]

But for example, I could call you a c*nt and it would be incredibly offensive. That isn't the case in England, because... you know... CONTEXT. You should try getting some.

Errrr. What? You go to a random pub in a city centre on a Friday night and call someone a c*nt and see how it goes!

 

[13Gigatons]

Errrr. What? You go to a random pub in a city centre on a Friday night and call someone a c*nt and see how it goes!

Women use the C word a lot in England, especially in a pub after a few drinks. I've heard the word a lot, it's like an adjective.