I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[hal2kilo]

I don't think it would be tasteful to put this in the RGB thread, but it definitely applies here.

Dem donors smash ActBlue's daily record after Ginsburg's death

 

[ondma]

RBG's passing has thrown this whole election a curveball.

It would not surprise me if Trump won just because of SCOTUS seat. A lot of people who voted for Trump voted because of SCOTUS. And the senate will stay red.

I'll be back on Nov 4th to check the results but I have a feeling nothing is gonna give the dems the white house/ scotus/ senate this year. Nothing.

I dont really see it this way. I think there may be a backlash against Trump and the Reps for trying to capitalize on a highly revered justices's death and push a nominee through, especially after the way they blocked any Obama appointee in 2016.

 

[woolfe9998]

RBG's passing has thrown this whole election a curveball.

It would not surprise me if Trump won just because of SCOTUS seat. A lot of people who voted for Trump voted because of SCOTUS. And the senate will stay red.

I'll be back on Nov 4th to check the results but I have a feeling nothing is gonna give the dems the white house/ scotus/ senate this year. Nothing.

Voter enthusiasm on the right for Trump is already about as high as you can get. I don't think there's much room for improvement there. Especially since they already knew that electing Trump would mean they would get to fill RBG's seat in his second term since there was no way she could have survived another term.

 

[alien42]

RBG's passing has thrown this whole election a curveball.

It would not surprise me if Trump won just because of SCOTUS seat. A lot of people who voted for Trump voted because of SCOTUS. And the senate will stay red.

I'll be back on Nov 4th to check the results but I have a feeling nothing is gonna give the dems the white house/ scotus/ senate this year. Nothing.

Or the opposite, Trumplicans who are focused on the courts were already all in. It may be that her passing brings out more counter votes as indicated by this... https://theweek.com/speedreads/9385...2-consecutive-hours-following-ginsburgs-death

 

[K1052]

If accurate Trump potentially in real deep shit in the rust belt/upper midwest

https://twitter.com/x/status/1307455539144724480

 

[woolfe9998]

If accurate Trump potentially in real deep shit in the rust belt/upper midwest

https://twitter.com/x/status/1307455539144724480

Not the first poll showing Greenfield ahead. Polling average seems to make it a toss up race.

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[Greenman]

I dont really see it this way. I think there may be a backlash against Trump and the Reps for trying to capitalize on a highly revered justices's death and push a nominee through, especially after the way they blocked any Obama appointee in 2016.

Is there a traditional waiting period before an appointment is made?

 

[ondma]

Is there a traditional waiting period before an appointment is made?

Not formally, but the Repubs refused to fill a vacant seat during Obama's last year, and that vacancy occurred in February, so they are going to look like hypocrites if they push through a nominee now (not that that has ever stopped them).

 

[Commodus]

Is there a traditional waiting period before an appointment is made?

Well, waiting before the body has cooled is generally a good start...

 

[eelw]

He could nominate Michelle Obama and it won't sway more voters than he already has. He only has Republican Senate members up for reelection by the balls. Hold off the vote until after Nov 3. Forcing them to tow the company line in attempt to help him win. As much he likes to brag how much he packed the courts, he cares less about Roe vs Wade. He'll put in Elmo in the vacancy if it would help him personally vs what the Federalist Society wants.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m old enough to remember last month where the protests were why Trump was going to win. Is that not a thing anymore?

 

[sportage]

Voter enthusiasm on the right for Trump is already about as high as you can get. I don't think there's much room for improvement there. Especially since they already knew that electing Trump would mean they would get to fill RBG's seat in his second term since there was no way she could have survived another term.

What I worry about are those 2016 Trump crossovers where the US Supreme Court WAS a motivating factor. The crossovers just might crossover again in 2020 for only the sake of the court. The death of RBG has put the court back on the front burner where as before we all assumed RBG would hang in there for another year. Actually, I think her family should have stated publicly that she was not doing well instead of this coming as such a shock. I think they owed the public that forewarning.

PS, I was looking for that Pat Robertson video where old Pat asked his people to "pray" for RBG's death. That video was from several years ago. Pat was asking people to actually pray that RBG would come down with cancer and die. I can't find the video but its out there somewhere.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Voter enthusiasm on the right for Trump is already about as high as you can get. I don't think there's much room for improvement there. Especially since they already knew that electing Trump would mean they would get to fill RBG's seat in his second term since there was no way she could have survived another term.

Who Trump nominates could throw a curveball. No one seemed to care about Garland because Trump still won the election on the premise of filling that seat. If he nominates Barbara Lagoa, that will be hard for the Democrats to stop.

 

[ecogen]

Who Trump nominates could throw a curveball. No one seemed to care about Garland because Trump still won the election on the premise of filling that seat. If he nominates Barbara Lagoa, that will be hard for the Democrats to stop.

Dems aren't in a position to stop anything. The narrative should be focused on hypocrisy, no matter who the candidate Trump puts forward is.

 

[K1052]

I’m old enough to remember last month where the protests were why Trump was going to win. Is that not a thing anymore?

Burisma-Hunter Biden
Biden's gaffes.
Biden's age.
Mass protests.
BLM.
ANTIFA.
Kenosha riots.

Declarations about what's going to help him should really wait on polling data instead of following his instinctual strategy lurches that are usually wrong.

 

[K1052]

Dems aren't in a position to stop anything. The narrative should be focused on hypocrisy, no matter who the candidate Trump puts forward is.

Yes, focus on the process and likely outcomes instead of the nominee.

 

[Greenman]

Not formally, but the Repubs refused to fill a vacant seat during Obama's last year, and that vacancy occurred in February, so they are going to look like hypocrites if they push through a nominee now (not that that has ever stopped them).

At the end of the day, does it really matter? The republican's have nothing to gain by waiting. No democrat is going to change his vote because the republican's did the right thing. No democrat is suddenly going to develop respect for the GOP. So why risk giving up that appointment? Personally, I think it stinks, but from a political standpoint I don't see a down side. The far left can't hate the republican's any more than they already do, and I think the last moderate threw up his hands in despair years ago.

 

[fskimospy]

At the end of the day, does it really matter? The republican's have nothing to gain by waiting. No democrat is going to change his vote because the republican's did the right thing. No democrat is suddenly going to develop respect for the GOP. So why risk giving up that appointment? Personally, I think it stinks, but from a political standpoint I don't see a down side. The far left can't hate the republican's any more than they already do, and I think the last moderate threw up his hands in despair years ago.

Do you think things might be different if Republicans hadn’t breached the agreement to not nuke the judicial filibuster?

As far as a downside, you might be right, but that’s up to the Democrats. If they take the presidency and senate the same logic applies - they have the power to add four seats so they should do it. After all, it’s not like the Republicans can hate Democrats any more than they already do.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Individual 1: - “If I lose to Biden, I don’t know what I’m going to do – I will never speak to you again. You’ll never see me again.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1307468978994974720

He says that like it’s a bad thing? Hopefully THIS is the only promise he keeps.

Richard Nixon: “You won’t have Nixon to kick around anymore, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference.”

 

[fskimospy]

Individual 1: - “If I lose to Biden, I don’t know what I’m going to do – I will never speak to you again. You’ll never see me again.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1307468978994974720

He says that like it’s a bad thing? Hopefully THIS is the only promise he keeps.

Richard Nixon: “You won’t have Nixon to kick around anymore, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference.”

Sadly we all know he is lying but it would be nice. Instead I imagine he will turn to attempting to undermine the new administration and foment unrest in order to try and get people to cut him non-prosecution deals.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Sadly we all know he is lying but it would be nice. Instead I imagine he will turn to attempting to undermine the new administration and foment unrest in order to try and get people to cut him non-prosecution deals.

Biden responds...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1307491919384260609

 

[Greenman]

Do you think things might be different if Republicans hadn’t breached the agreement to not nuke the judicial filibuster?

As far as a downside, you might be right, but that’s up to the Democrats. If they take the presidency and senate the same logic applies - they have the power to add four seats so they should do it. After all, it’s not like the Republicans can hate Democrats any more than they already do.

They could very well do that. Then when the republican's are in power they'll add six more. At some point in the not to distant future we'll have to move the supreme court to a stadium to fit the nine hundred justices.

As far as the judicial filibuster goes, that all started with the democrats trying to tweak the rules to their advantage, and as usual, the republican's took that change, weaponized it, and proceeded to beat them to death with it.
I don't like what they're doing. They fucked Obama out of an appointment, now they want to jamb a quickey through the system before Joe takes over.

 

[K1052]

As far as a downside, you might be right, but that’s up to the Democrats. If they take the presidency and senate the same logic applies - they have the power to add four seats so they should do it. After all, it’s not like the Republicans can hate Democrats any more than they already do.

Republicans have convinced themselves that the Democrats are going to do everything they are threatening in retaliation even if they don't install a new justice. Which given the history of the party's timidity and that Joe Biden is likely going to land in the WH simply isn't rational. They're going to will some of it into existence though.

 

[woolfe9998]

What I worry about are those 2016 Trump crossovers where the US Supreme Court WAS a motivating factor. The crossovers just might crossover again in 2020 for only the sake of the court. The death of RBG has put the court back on the front burner where as before we all assumed RBG would hang in there for another year. Actually, I think her family should have stated publicly that she was not doing well instead of this coming as such a shock. I think they owed the public that forewarning.

PS, I was looking for that Pat Robertson video where old Pat asked his people to "pray" for RBG's death. That video was from several years ago. Pat was asking people to actually pray that RBG would come down with cancer and die. I can't find the video but its out there somewhere.

Not sure which "crossovers" you mean. Are you referring to people who went from Obama->Trump? If so, it wasn't over the SCOTUS or they never would have voted Obama in the first place.

 

[K1052]

They could very well do that. Then when the republican's are in power they'll add six more. At some point in the not to distant future we'll have to move the supreme court to a stadium to fit the nine hundred justices.

This can be avoided by adding what I'll call the "Island Caucus" plus DC. The senate exists 6-7 points rightward of the country, an imbalance that can be corrected.