Americans wouldn't have left. (Those who came here for profit came after the place was established. The only profit you would have had without colonies would have been from Indian gold or exotic crops or something.)
Americans wouldn't have left. (Those who came here for profit came after the place was established. The only profit you would have had without colonies would have been from Indian gold or exotic crops or something.)
What's interesting to me is that I once wanted to join the Jesuits. They're probably the most logical reasoning-based order in the whole Catholic Church. Most of them have Ph.D.'s in some kind of science or engineering field, IN ADDITION to their doctorate degrees in theology.
So you gotta understand where I'm coming from... these crazy fundamentalists (like in the video) are so far out on the fringe, they practically don't even exist in my world. When I hear people calling these guys "Christians" and labelling all "Christians" with such behavior, I'm quite offended.
Education is crap, but churches are thriving, especially the ones where the preacher is paid to say what the people want to hear. This is why creationists will survive.
your going for a high score in that hall of fame...lol modern europe....lets take france for instance its falling apart at the seams.
You see, the very reasons you pose an agnostic position are some of the very same reasons I pose a deist position. Faith and reasoning are interesting things.
I'm not making claims about geology, only on the HISTORY of the earth. A literal interpretation (I assume you mean created in 6 24 hour days) does not conflict. I look at it more from a civilation standpoint.
Originally posted by: shoRunner
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Doesn't matter if it's in the bible it's still stupid
so i think everyone knows that you don't like christianity (which of course only exists on the US) so whats the point of this thread?
2 things.
1: I didn't say it only existed in the US.
2: I wanted to start a conversation about this.
Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Doesn't matter if it's in the bible it's still stupid
To some people, sure it is considered stupid. That is your opinion and it's perfectly valid.
However, please don't try to mask your narrowminded opinion with emoticons. Your attempt to try and play off your blantant trolling with a smiley icon isn't fooling anyone.
Why am i narrowminded for criticizing people that believe a book obviously written by several different persons, and contradicts itself several times, and is obviously fiction, is scientific fact, and truth?
Tha god created big bang isn't impossible, it doesn't conflict with science. It's just very very improbable that a man should be sitting up there controlling stuff.
Right and wrong is built in ourselves through evolution. Cultures evolved if they had a certain way of thinking, fairly simple.
The way i see it, moderate religious people not only do not adher to scientific methods, but they do not adher to their own book on which their religion is based. I still do appreciate them trying.
hmm, yeah, i was inaccurate. I meant of that certain religious kind. And i'm mostly talking about them trying to overthrow the system in the modern world.
There are several stupid things about that comment.
France is barely falling apart, it's a self correction that happens from time to time. French revolution etc.
Modern was in >"< because modern europe is the parts of europe that has developed systems that can by some be considered modern, systems where people don't suffer and , you know.
Was just a way to speak.
This was my thought, but now i'm apparently a euro hater and such, which is simply not true imo. But, now i'm confused, are you correct you are they?
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You people are a riot. Havn't we learned by now that just because a country is more religous than another, doesn't mean everyone in the country is religous? Personally I think religion is stupid, but that is not the point here. The point is that, as Ryan said, these people are all over the world, not just in the US.
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Doesn't matter if it's in the bible it's still stupid
To some people, sure it is considered stupid. That is your opinion and it's perfectly valid.
However, please don't try to mask your narrowminded opinion with emoticons. Your attempt to try and play off your blantant trolling with a smiley icon isn't fooling anyone.
Why am i narrowminded for criticizing people that believe a book obviously written by several different persons, and contradicts itself several times, and is obviously fiction, is scientific fact, and truth?
Ok its finally time to weigh in....
While the Bible was written for specific people by specific people... There is much useful that everyone can recieve from it. To call it fiction, now thats just an error. There is definate truth contained in its words.
The problem is the book speaks in metahpores... The truth must be revealed, but it is not always straight foreward or complete.
historically we know that Jesus of Nazerus was a real person. Historically, we have found ruins from specific towns, places, and events written about in the bible.
what you have to do is to seek out the truth from what is written... without giving non-sensical explainations.
Lets look at Genesis for just a minute...
What does it specifically say...
God Created the universe from nothing. Here the water and the face of the deep... are metaphors for the void empty universe... a blank canvas if you will, ready for creation.
What existed before the singularity we define as the big gang? Nothing.
What else does it say?
There is a specific order in which things were created... this order does not dispute what our theories say. (Universe, Sun, Earth, Moon, Plants, Animals, Man)
What does it not say? How long ago, or how long it took.
That a day is a 24 hour period... or a thousand years.
a 24 hour period made no sence for a day as the earth had not yet been formed.
A thousand years which comes from another verse in the bible 2 Peter 3:8...
Another metaphor... not a God's day is 1000 years (hence 6 days = 6000 years, young earth theory = garbage) what it says is to God... time has no meaning. God is not restricted by time and space as we are.
I applaud anyone who actually attempts to uncover the various truths contained in the book... The events contained therein are true, but you must uncover what the information being conveyed to you is, what its purpose is and, how to apply it.... without taking a literalist point of view... and without trying to make it say things it doesnt...
and I extremely disagree with you if you just pass the whole thing off as worthless rubbish.
Forsythe, just want to offer my congratulations for having such a good grasp of the English language. I'm utterly confident that your English is better than any of the other posters Danish (as opposed to DUTCH) and as a fellow EU ignoramus, just thought I'd offer morale support!
I'm kind of curious about a couple of things:
1. If the "majority" of Christians are not fundies, why do they seem so quiet to the fundies being the most vocal representatives of their faith?
If I was in a group that had extremely vocal whack-jobs representing it, I would do one of two things, either leave the group and start my own or ask them to leave the group and to stop claiming that they are part of the group. Christians don't do this. They seem to embrace these nuts or excuse them by saying that they don't speak for all of them.
2. How does one get to call themselves a "Scientist" with credentials like this:
If only I could have had my degree for that price and in that amount of time.
3. How the hell would hire this idiot to teach physics as he claims he did in the video?
1. If the "majority" of Christians are not fundies, why do they seem so quiet to the fundies being the most vocal representatives of their faith?
If I was in a group that had extremely vocal whack-jobs representing it, I would do one of two things, either leave the group and start my own or ask them to leave the group and to stop claiming that they are part of the group. Christians don't do this. They seem to embrace these nuts or excuse them by saying that they don't speak for all of them.
2. How does one get to call themselves a "Scientist" with credentials like this:
If only I could have had my degree for that price and in that amount of time.
3. How the hell would hire this idiot to teach physics as he claims he did in the video?
Catch 22. You can't debate people who deny logic. His appeals are ones of ignorance and emotion purely. There is no debate there, just covering their eyes and ears and stomping their feet and demanding that truth is what they say it is.
I'm not quite sure I get what your saying. Christians (moderate ones) don't adhere to science or the Bible?
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