How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[Schmeh39]

LOL
And AMD already announced they will retire support to DirectX because its next GPUs will integrate "other technologies".

Yes AMD already announced that will be supporting "other technologies", but they did not specify what.

I'm still waiting on a source for this rather big bombshell. AMD "retiring" support for DirectX would be just about the dumbest thing they could do. By making your graphics cards incompatible with half of the PC games out there would be suicide.

But those of us that actually know what we are talking about, know that AMD has never said anything of the sort. I'm willing to bet that either you never provide a source, or you link us to an article that you have once again taken completely out of context. Now that would be a shock!

 

[Lonbjerg]

LOL. Why don't go backward and read my post where I wrote about "reverse engineering". That is what WINE people did when gave default support for a DirectX.

I don't know if this is mentioned in your wikipedia article because I am not using it (sorry), but besides the Directx default implementation in WINE, you can install other versions of DirectX on WINE (this is not recommended, but you can install).



More LOL

Wine is DX9 maximum.
No DX10
No DX10.1
No DX11
No DX11.1

LOL @ Wine...

 

[galego]

To me honestly, the 30fps cap is annoying.
If PS4 cant exceed the 30fps barrier cap, u really cant compare the two.

At 30FPS cap, it feels like it shutters... its a LOT more annoying then SLI microshutters u hear people raging about.

Therefore Sony and developers claiming that are targeting 60 fps are ignored once again. And for those games targeting 30 fps, I doubt that the average gamer will feel it "shutters".

In fact I find amazing that no PC gamer was worried when Epic showed the elemental demo running on an i7+GTX-680 @ 30 fps...

 

[Lonbjerg]

720P @ 60 FPS?
LOL
:thumbsdown:

 

[toyota]

Therefore Sony and developers claiming that are targeting 60 fps are ignored once again. And for those games targeting 30 fps, I doubt that the average gamer will feel it "shutters".

In fact I find amazing that no PC gamer was worried when Epic showed the elemental demo running on an i7+GTX-680 @ 30 fps...

a flyby demo at 30 fps is essentially a movie at 30 fps and is NOT the same as playing a game at 30 fps.

 

[2is]

Therefore Sony and developers claiming that are targeting 60 fps are ignored once again. And for those games targeting 30 fps, I doubt that the average gamer will feel it "shutters".

In fact I find amazing that no PC gamer was worried when Epic showed the elemental demo running on an i7+GTX-680 @ 30 fps...

Put an average gamer in front of a game running at 30fps, then take that identical game and identical scene running at 60 fps, and I'll bet you they notice the difference. And when did this become about what the average gamer sees? (not that you're even correct about that anyway) this is about what platform is more capable. Shifting goal posts again? Unfortunately for you, you still missed the mark.

 

[Schmeh39]

In fact I find amazing that no PC gamer was worried when Epic showed the elemental demo running on an i7+GTX-680 @ 30 fps...

Why in the world would PC Gamer's be worried?

BTW - Still waiting on that source for AMD retiring support for DircectX...

 

[Irishwhitey]

BTW - Still waiting on that source for AMD retiring support for DircectX...

SO am I lol. I would have to say that ultamatly it's not AMD or nvidia that makes the call but rather the game developers and OS manufactures mainly "Microsoft" that would make the call on weather or not DX, OpenGL etc is a ya or nay.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I would like to hear more about how Wine is better than DX?

 

[galego]

720P @ 60 FPS?
LOL
:thumbsdown:

720p? Really? LOL

a flyby demo at 30 fps is essentially a movie at 30 fps and is NOT the same as playing a game at 30 fps.

Sure but if the demo was running at 30 fps, no game with the same quality could be running at 60 and as said no pc gamer was worried.

In fact, someone tried to convince me (some dozens of pages ago) that the demo on the i7+GTX-680 was running at 45 fps or something as that. LOL

 

[toyota]

720p? Really? LOL



Sure but if the demo was running at 30 fps, no game with the same quality could be running at 60 and as said no pc gamer was worried.

In fact, someone tried to convince me (some dozens of pages ago) that the demo on the i7+GTX-680 was running at 45 fps or something as that. LOL

you do realize that it was a tech demo? and if a game gets released down the road with that level of graphics then those that want the max settings and 60 fps will be able to do so. others with less money will use common sense and turn down a couple settings that will likely double the frame rate while still looking better and running faster than the console version. its no different than what happens right now in the handful of games that are demanding.

 

[Schmeh39]

720p? Really? LOL



Sure but if the demo was running at 30 fps, no game with the same quality could be running at 60 and as said no pc gamer was worried.

In fact, someone tried to convince me (some dozens of pages ago) that the demo on the i7+GTX-680 was running at 45 fps or something as that. LOL

Again why would we be worried? Even if the Demo was running at 30fps, I don't see why a pc gamer would be worried. You seem to forget that not only can PC Gamer's change out their hardware, but also their is faster and newer hardware every year. So for your point that if the demo was running at 30fps, then no game with the same quality could be running at 60fps, of course you are wrong, once again. Just throw 2 more titans (now it will equal the power of the PS4) in the system and bam, you are running at over 60 fps.


- Still waiting on the source for your statement that AMD will be retiring support for DirectX in the near future.

- You can admit you just made that up, and we will move on. We have come to expect that from you.

 

[galego]

Therefore nobody can provide a single example to some PC gamer worried because the demo was targeting 30 fps? Only trivial comments to Titan, which did not exist when the demo was presented?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Therefore nobody can provide a single example to some PC gamer worried because the demo was targeting 30 fps? Only trivial comments to Titan, which did not exist when the demo was presented?

How about you start documenting some of your bat-shite before demanding documentation from others? :thumbsdown:

PS4...LOL

Wanna bet some REAL $$$ against that my rig will outperform the PS4 in crossplatform titles?

Put up or shut up ^^

 

[toyota]

Therefore nobody can provide a single example to some PC gamer worried because the demo was targeting 30 fps? Only trivial comments to Titan, which did not exist when the demo was presented?

I gave you an answer.

btw if you actually had a pc worth gaming on then perhaps you could be doing that right now instead of daydreaming about a PS 4.

 

[Irishwhitey]

Thought hard about and all I could come up with is that the Consoles will have better game developer support. GCN should see some major improvements in optimization to really get them working to their full potential and being that the new console will be x87 across the board means even more gravy optimization.

 

[2is]

Therefore nobody can provide a single example to some PC gamer worried because the demo was targeting 30 fps? Only trivial comments to Titan, which did not exist when the demo was presented?

The demo that ran better with higher settings on the PC with specs no where near tri-sli titans which what is what we would need according to you. That one? I'm pretty sure we've been through this at least a dozen times in this thread. This argument failed the first time you made it, it failed all the other times you made it since, therefore, it still fails now.

Why aren't PC gamers worried? Because we can achieve higher performance in a number of ways. One being we can simply lower visuals to PS4 levels. So instead of looking and running better, we will look the same and run a lot better. The other is simply upgrading to more powerful hardware. If you had any clue what you were talking about, you'd have known the answer to this already.

 

[2is]

Sure but if the demo was running at 30 fps, no game with the same quality could be running at 60 and as said no pc gamer was worried.

In fact, someone tried to convince me (some dozens of pages ago) that the demo on the i7+GTX-680 was running at 45 fps or something as that. LOL

Crysis 3 ran and looked better than Far Cry 3 for me. But according to you that's impossible. There are plenty of examples of games that look and run better than other games.

 

[showb1z]

Therefore nobody can provide a single example to some PC gamer worried because the demo was targeting 30 fps? Only trivial comments to Titan, which did not exist when the demo was presented?

Yea, too bad really, if they had used a Titan you could claim PS4 equals FIVE Titans.

Why can't this thread be closed like the "Haswell = Bulldozer" thread, this one is way worse.

 

[2is]

Yea, too bad really, if they had used a Titan you could claim PS4 equals FIVE Titans.

Why can't this thread be closed like the "Haswell = Bulldozer" thread, this one is way worse.

The mods are clearly getting some entertainment value out of it. Besides, if they close this, the nonsense may spread to other parts of the forum turning this benign tumor into a malignant one..

 

[PrincessFrosty]

- Still waiting on the source for your statement that AMD will be retiring support for DirectX in the near future.

Yeah I'm waiting for a source on this as well, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a video card forum, either he's a troll or has no idea what he's talking about.

 

[Schmeh39]

Therefore nobody can provide a single example to some PC gamer worried because the demo was targeting 30 fps? Only trivial comments to Titan, which did not exist when the demo was presented?

Once again, why would pc gamers be worried? You seem to forget that our hardware is not locked in stone, like the PS4. We can upgrade, so if something is running slow on current hardware, it will run faster on new hardware.

ps. - still waiting on that source for AMD retiring support for DirectX. At this point, I'm pretty sure you just made it up, like most of the "wisdom" you have shared with us in this thread.

Yeah I'm waiting for a source on this as well, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a video card forum, either he's a troll or has no idea what he's talking about.

I'm pretty sure he has already proven that he has no idea what he is talking about.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yeah I'm waiting for a source on this as well, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a video card forum, either he's a troll or has no idea what he's talking about.

Could be both!!!! Or he just has an agenda that overpowers any logic.

 

[Spjut]

Once again, why would pc gamers be worried? You seem to forget that our hardware is not locked in stone, like the PS4. We can upgrade, so if something is running slow on current hardware, it will run faster on new hardware.

Advances in CPU performance has slowed down, right now, Haswell isn't a big improvement over Ivy Bridge.
Even DirectX 11 is getting criticized for the CPU overhead, and when single threaded performance currently increases slowly, the CPU overhead probably isn't something that will be easy to overcome by just raw horsepower

Even GPU advances have slowed down because they have to wait longer for the new nodes to be ready, we've seen both the Geforce 500 and 700 series only bringing modest performance gains compared to their predecessors.

I'm not denying that PCs have a huge advantage the more the time pass by, but I feel that PC enthusiasts still have a too much simplistic view on it

 

[Rezist]

Well the one thing holding back gaming is threading. It's far easier to make games single or dual threaded vs say 4-6 thread. That's why Sony/MS went with cores with very low IPC and lots of cores.

Because the best way to get around a bottleneck is to build your hardware into one.