How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[Zanovar]

Also because they depend on selling it to eat.

nvm

 

[Silver Prime]

So whats the game line up, I keep hearing about the best line up Sony has ever had, yet no names mention'd of what games...anyone know?

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Seriously, an 8 core Jaguar beating a Core i7? Come on, that is ludicrous. I don't care how close to the hardware you can program or the fact that all PS4s will be identical. I have a dual core Brazos and it is dog slow. Jaguar is supposed to be around 15% faster. Now if this was Steamroller or even Piledriver based I might be able to believe it.

 

[toyota]

Seriously, an 8 core Jaguar beating a Core i7? Come on, that is ludicrous. I don't care how close to the hardware you can program or the fact that all PS4s will be identical. I have a dual core Brazos and it is dog slow. Jaguar is supposed to be around 15% faster. Now if this was Steamroller or even Piledriver based I might be able to believe it.

15% faster per clock per core with slightly higher clocks and 4 times as many cores is quite a jump form your cpu. plus game makers will squeeze every bit of that. but yes I doubt it would be as fast as an i7.

 

[showb1z]

The demo did not run on final PS4 hardware but on an dev. kit with constraints. Developers only could use 1.5 GB VRAM and the full demo run only at 27-29% of the PS4 final specs!!!

You've claimed this about 7 times, but could you link me a source please.
For a myriad of reasons I find this rather hard to believe.

 

[raghu78]

Seriously, an 8 core Jaguar beating a Core i7? Come on, that is ludicrous. I don't care how close to the hardware you can program or the fact that all PS4s will be identical. I have a dual core Brazos and it is dog slow. Jaguar is supposed to be around 15% faster. Now if this was Steamroller or even Piledriver based I might be able to believe it.

Kabini quad core matches core i3 dual core with HT in multithreaded performance while being a much smaller core (3.1 sq mm on TSMC 28nm) and drawing lesser power.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1364086/sweclockers-amd-temash-apu-a6-1450-in-cinebench-r11-5

a 1.4 Ghz kabini quad core edges out a core i3 (dual core with HT) at 1.4 ghz in cinebench r11.5. the 1.5 ghz Kabini with integrated southbridge has 15w max TDP. the core i3 2367 has 17w TDP and the southbridge adds another 2 - 3w.

http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/AMDGSeriesSOCProductBrief.pdf

PS4 has 8 Jaguar cores in 2 quad core blocks running at 1.6 - 1.8 Ghz. in multithreaded performance it matches a core i7 quad core with HT running at the same clocks. it achieves all of this with smaller cores and lesser power. the consoles PS4 and Xbox next are ideal for multithreaded game engines like Frostbite 2/ Frostbite 3 and Cryengine 3. Within a given power envelope single thread performance is not the primary concern for next gen game engines. its multithreaded performance.

 

[sontin]

It will not match an i7.
That i3 run at 1,4GHz, an i7 has nearly twice the clock than the PS4 cpu, a much higher IPC and at leats 4 Cores with HT.

I really want to see how you get the same performance.

/edit: And nobody cares about "at the same clock".

 

[2is]

It will not match an i7.
That i3 run at 1,4GHz, an i7 has nearly twice the clock than the PS4 cpu, a much higher IPC and at leats 4 Cores with HT.

I really want to see how you get the same performance.

Based on the utter nonsense ive read, They get the same performance by having an over active imagination.

 

[galego]

You've claimed this about 7 times, but could you link me a source please.
For a myriad of reasons I find this rather hard to believe.

You can find it here at anandtech forums

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34921669&postcount=6

And you can find those leaked details on the web.

Before knowing those details about the demo, I estimated about a 5/2 increase over the GTX-680. This is about a 2.5x. And those leaked details imply about a 3x. Therefore, I find it easy to believe.

Also sure you can find lots of developers (including some from nVidia) that claim that the PS4 will be ahead of gaming PCs on performance.

 

[galego]

The dev. kit for the PS4 includes an eight-core FX chip.

It has been shown recently shown how FX-8350 outperforms an i7-3770k on crysis 3 due to the game being highly multithreaded.

On the console we have lighter OS + lighter API + direct-to-metal programming.

Moreover on the console we have a APU HSA hUMA, not merely "eight jaguar cores"...

All those reasons together explain why game developers chose an i7 for all the demos and comparisons there out.

 

[joshhedge]

The dev. kit for the PS4 includes an eight-core FX chip.

It has been shown recently shown how FX-8350 outperforms an i7-3770k on crysis 3 due to the game being highly multithreaded.

On the console we have lighter OS + lighter API + direct-to-metal programming.

Moreover on the console we have a APU HSA hUMA, not merely "eight jaguar cores"...

All those reasons together explain why game developers chose an i7 for all the demos and comparisons there out.

Where are you getting this information from regarding the dev kit, provide a source please.

 

[showb1z]

You can find it here at anandtech forums

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34921669&postcount=6

And you can find those leaked details on the web.

Well, link it then, a forum post on AT is not a source. And even so, the UE4 demo is not even mentioned there.

The dev. kit for the PS4 includes an eight-core FX chip.

So which is it? Does the devkit run at "27-29%" of a real PS4, or does it have a FX-8350, which is a ton more powerful than the tablet cpu it's going to use.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

There's console fanboys that will tell you with a straight face that the ps3 or xbox 360 look better than a PC today. It's no surprise to me that now they are claiming a faildozer paired with a low end gpu stuffed in a tiny box with very little airflow will out pace a high end Intel CPU with a high end GPU.
Not only is it gimped hardware it's dealing with significant heat restrictions further limiting how much they can push the hardware.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

15% faster per clock per core with slightly higher clocks and 4 times as many cores is quite a jump form your cpu. plus game makers will squeeze every bit of that. but yes I doubt it would be as fast as an i7.

I'm hoping they bring this bad boy to the desktop space asap. I mean what's the point of hemorrhaging billions of dollars quarterly when you have the i7 killer on the back burner? Surely this mythical CPU exists.

 

[Erenhardt]

I'm hoping they bring this bad boy to the desktop space asap. I mean what's the point of hemorrhaging billions of dollars quarterly when you have the i7 killer on the back burner? Surely this mythical CPU exists.

There is i7 killer on the market already

A8 is about 50% faster than 3770k

 

[joshhedge]

There's console fanboys that will tell you with a straight face that the ps3 or xbox 360 look better than a PC today. It's no surprise to me that now they are claiming a faildozer paired with a low end gpu stuffed in a tiny box with very little airflow will out pace a high end Intel CPU with a high end GPU.
Not only is it gimped hardware it's dealing with significant heat restrictions further limiting how much they can push the hardware.

In the PS4s defence, the GPU in it is more of a mid-range card, not a low end card.

 

[exar333]

When talking to console fanboys, I have to keep reminding myself of this:

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/idiots

 

[Blitzvogel]

It will not match an i7.
That i3 run at 1,4GHz, an i7 has nearly twice the clock than the PS4 cpu, a much higher IPC and at leats 4 Cores with HT.

I really want to see how you get the same performance.

/edit: And nobody cares about "at the same clock".

"At the same clock" is significant though. It shows that Jaguar has some real legs and this is versus Intel mind you which also has a process advantage. The question is whether or not AMD could boost the clock speed well above 2 GHz without significantly redesigning the chip and the pipeline to hit higher speeds.

 

[Zanovar]

There's console fanboys that will tell you with a straight face that the ps3 or xbox 360 look better than a PC today. It's no surprise to me that now they are claiming a faildozer paired with a low end gpu stuffed in a tiny box with very little airflow will out pace a high end Intel CPU with a high end GPU.
Not only is it gimped hardware it's dealing with significant heat restrictions further limiting how much they can push the hardware.

My nephew argues this.i showed him crysis one time at 2560x1440,said it looked crap.cant win.

 

[Makaveli]

My nephew argues this.i showed him crysis one time at 2560x1440,said it looked crap.cant win.

What do you expect when you argue with a child

 

[Zanovar]

What do you expect when you argue with a child

Aye,i see your point hes only 2.

 

[Zanovar]

What do you expect when you argue with a child

Aye,i see your point hes only 2.oops double post.was joking btw hes 13,but will argue till hes blue in the face that games on his 360 look better.oh well.

 

[2is]

"At the same clock" is significant though. It shows that Jaguar has some real legs and this is versus Intel mind you which also has a process advantage. The question is whether or not AMD could boost the clock speed well above 2 GHz without significantly redesigning the chip and the pipeline to hit higher speeds.

Its not significant because such a processor does not exist in the PS4 if we are going to compare processors that don't exist, then we must also talk about how a potential 8 core mainstream Intel processor will do.

 

[2is]

Well, link it then, a forum post on AT is not a source. And even so, the UE4 demo is not even mentioned there.



So which is it? Does the devkit run at "27-29%" of a real PS4, or does it have a FX-8350, which is a ton more powerful than the tablet cpu it's going to use.

He's simply rehashing the nonsense he posted HERE an 11 page thread, the fun starts on page 2...

 

[aigomorla]

"At the same clock" is significant though. It shows that Jaguar has some real legs and this is versus Intel mind you which also has a process advantage. The question is whether or not AMD could boost the clock speed well above 2 GHz without significantly redesigning the chip and the pipeline to hit higher speeds.

Intel 3.0ghz is NOT the same as AMD 3.0ghz.

It never has.. never will be.

You cant even compare llano ghz to ghz to a X6