ShintaiDK
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Lonbjerg
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Anyone else spot the irony?
Tell me what year PS4 games will run at higher resolutuin, more FPS, better framelatencies and better I.Q. than on my current rig.
Now we can test your claims...I have a rig, that will not be upgraded any futther (990x + Titan).
You just tell me what year I need to poke you in, so we can test your bonkers claim?
And what are your machine specs?
Aikouka
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Yes, he's taking cpu draw call overhead and applying it liberally wherever it needs to be based on his own personalized distortion of reality.
You've backed your claims from marketing BS, misquotes, misinterpretation, misrepresentation and a new type of math I've never seen before. If it was as clear as day like you're implying, you wouldn't be the laughing stock of an entire forum. Heck, you're used as a reference point in other threads of examples of what not to do.
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Have any of u guys seen this youtube video on a comparision between a 680gtx vs the simulated ps4 arch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFgVR2Ke0XY
actually im pretty impressed on the ps4 if it can do that much.
Its not a titan killer, however, if it costs less then 680gtx it doesnt look that bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFgVR2Ke0XY
actually im pretty impressed on the ps4 if it can do that much.
Its not a titan killer, however, if it costs less then 680gtx it doesnt look that bad.
blastingcap
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An overclocked 7950 can match a stock GTX 680 and comes with four free games including two of the most highly rated titles of 2013, for less than $300. Furthermore, by the time PS4 launches, the price will be even lower and we might even have HD8950's by that point. Even if we give consoles hardware charity points, software costs for consoles have always been and will probably continue to be higher than PC games. Higher prices not only at launch but even years after launch.
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mooncancook
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The PC version of the Elemental demo runs on an i7(HT) + 16GB RAM + GTX-680(2Gb), but the PS4 version was developed in a dev. kit. received some few weeks before by Epic. The API and software in the kit was 'beta'. Moreover, the PS4 version has a different cinematics and some bug (e.g. tessellation is broken) due to the lack of time for developing it before the show. Visual comparison PC vs PS4 is not realistic, as Epic gamers chief noted:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-unreal-engine-4-ps4-vs-pc
Moreover the PC version is achieving 30fps only at sub-1080p.
It has been leaked on the web that the dev. kit used by Epic had only 1.5 GB VRAM accessible and that the kit had only a 27--29% of the performance of the PS4
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34921669&postcount=6
There is a superior Infiltrator demo that reflects better the kind of next-gen games we must wait for both the PS4 and the PC.
There is also the Killzone demo of a next-gen PS4 game. This demo cannot run on the above PC because uses 3 GB VRAM. It can run on the PC after shutting off details.
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Aikouka
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I told myself that I wouldn't feed the [insert term that you aren't supposed to use in this sub-forum here] anymore, but I had to...
I'm pretty sure it won't run because it's a PS4 exclusive. :biggrin:
There's a card with 6GB, and even then, according to exactly one person, you need 3 of them.
No, you practically need one to manage each pixel.One for each monitor's-worth of display processing, right?
Otherwise you can't possibly overcome the power of hUMA (and even then, it's a sketchy proposition due to the SLI interconnects and because you need to double everything always into the super-slow DDR3 RAM).Yes, we know the existence of graphics cards with 3GB or more (some specific models were mentioned in this thread before). I put in bold the part that all of you avoided entirely...
It is amazing how some threads ago some people pretended that the PS4 only could play phone/tablet games, but now 'we' are informed about the possibility of upgrading the above high-end gaming PC just to give it some chance of running a mere demo of a future PS4 game...
It is much more amazing when one looks steam stats and see how many gamers have 3GB VRAM or more. Less than a 0.7% of gaming PCs have 3GB, less than 0.5% have 4GB...
The immense majority of gaming PCs cannot run this PS4 demo. Poor consoles, they are so outdated before launch :biggrin:.
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Hmmm... None of that is particularly funny, particularly since your claim isn't even accurate. I suppose we have a different sense of humor. Though the debate wasn't weather or not most PC gamers have a machine as capable as PS4. That would be debatable, particularly if steam stats is the only source of data.
The debate was how todays highest end PC's compare, which is hardly debatable unless YOU are participating in the discussion. In which case, said discussion is riddled with complete nonsense.
blastingcap
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How much will a PS4 cost? How much will its games cost? How much filthy DRM will be on it? Can it even play used games, even at the exorbitant fees a la XBO? And when will PS4 launch?
Oh that's right, PS4 isn't out yet, and by the time it's out, 3GB VRAM will be standard for high-end video cards that cost less than the PS4; heck, even today you can get a 7950 with four games (all four getting at least decent reviews, with two being among the highest-rated games for 2013) for under $300. What will it be by the time PS4 launches, $200 without games, or something like that? Furthermore, PC games cost less at launch and especially after launch (Steam, GOG, etc. sales). PCs can also perform more activities than consoles can't (word, spreadsheets, photoshop, etc.). PCs have more drive bays and can be upgraded with off-the-shelf parts cheaply. TressFX only works on PC so far, and even if it worked on consoles the performance hit would be ghastly. PCs can do multi-monitor. Consoles get exclusives but so does PC (SC2, WoW, Total War, many indie games, etc.).
Yeah occasionally you may have to use your brain to download and install new drivers or whatnot. Some call that a negative. I call it a positive barrier that helps keep out the most inept people and little kids with one-digit ages.
Seriously? We're just pointing out flaws in your thinking; Aikouka was saying that we can never really know since it's a PS4 exclusive; I never said that the particular computer you pointed out had 3GB; 2is pointed out how you believe that the PS4 will eventually match 3 Titans (okay, this is not a flaw so much as an ad hominem tangent, which I do not approve of, but come on).
We're not avoiding that particular fact. We know it's true. We're just challenging your assumption that A) the two were comparable to begin with and B) that all high end card have only 2GB.
Yes, but over 10% have 2GB or more, and the Steam survey is highly flawed in that it counts integrated graphics alongside the dGPU; therefore, once you take out about half the sample size, around 25% have 2GB or more. That number will only increase as GDDR5 gets cheaper and makes it's way into lower cards (VRAM availability roughly doubles every two years; for example, the top end 8800 GTX had 768MB in 2006; then the GTX 285 in 2009 had up to 2GB; the 2011 GTX 580 had 3GB; now we see the Titan and some variants of the 7970 at 6GB. That's 8 times greater after about 7 years). In other words, by the time the PS4 begins to mature, video cards will be at 2-3GB standard.
In general, yes, they are. Killzone is one first party example; however, we see that gaming PCs are able to keep up with more demanding effects than the PS4. Even if the PC is also at 720p and 30 frames per second, the fact that their tessellation works and they are able to use SVOGI, which is extremely demanding (yes, even if they remove the feature voluntarily from the PS4, it is still a large resource hog that the PC had to deal with), and keep up with the PS4 speaks volumes about the immaturity of PS4 development.
Will the PS4 eventually optimize and be better than the 680/7970 for the same title? Sure! I would be disappointed for console gamers if it didn't. In fact, I see some degree of improvement right away if Astrallite was telling the truth about PS4 devkits being underpowered (though I am doubtful without a link to a source). But I just don't see the PS4 being unequivocally better than all PCs at launch.
Oh, the bliss of a cogent, measured and well argued internet post! Well done Sleepingforest - best post I've read for a long time.
How much will a PS4 cost? How much will its games cost? How much filthy DRM will be on it? Can it even play used games, even at the exorbitant fees a la XBO? And when will PS4 launch?
Oh that's right, PS4 isn't out yet, and by the time it's out, 3GB VRAM will be standard for high-end video cards that cost less than the PS4; heck, even today you can get a 7950 with four games (all four getting at least decent reviews, with two being among the highest-rated games for 2013) for under $300. What will it be by the time PS4 launches, $200 without games, or something like that? Furthermore, PC games cost less at launch and especially after launch (Steam, GOG, etc. sales). PCs can also perform more activities than consoles can't (word, spreadsheets, photoshop, etc.). PCs have more drive bays and can be upgraded with off-the-shelf parts cheaply. TressFX only works on PC so far, and even if it worked on consoles the performance hit would be ghastly. PCs can do multi-monitor. Consoles get exclusives but so does PC (SC2, WoW, Total War, many indie games, etc.).
Yeah occasionally you may have to use your brain to download and install new drivers or whatnot. Some call that a negative. I call it a positive barrier that helps keep out the most inept people and little kids with one-digit ages.
Nobody knows the exact price but it will be a tiny fraction of the cost of a high-end PC with comparable performance. Sony said that will play used games and DRM will be removed. Don't forget to add to the PC price the money due to higher power consumption figures. PS4 will launch this year.
3GB standard means that for last part of year 0.7% of PC gamers will increase to 1% maybe 1.5%. WOW. And then will appear games using more than 3GB and those gamers will need to upgrade again if want to play. LOL
Finally, you don't need to insult console gamers, unless you have no technical argument against consoles, which is the case.
You are not pointing out flaws. Nobody said that "all high end card have only 2GB" but the four or five of you need to invent that whereas ignoring what was really said because otherwise you couldn't post. 2is is trying ad hominems here and in other threads by evident reasons. He needs to ignore what I really said. You are also ignoring what I said about 3 Titans outperforming the PS4.
But please ignore that I have said again "outperforming" and change that to "match" in future posts.
Steam survey counts your primary GPU. The survey is not representative of worldwide. If steam says that less than 5% have 2GB VRAM, that less than 0.7% have 3GB VRAM, and that less than 0.5% have 4GB VRAM, then those figures are much smaller worldwide. But I was giving you the most favourable situation for PCs.
Yes, I agree that Steam figures will increase when PS4 will launch. E.g. 0.7% will increase to 1% or maybe 1.5%, but still the immense majority of gaming PCs will be outdated. :biggrin:
We already know that the PS4 will support effects beyond those in current high-end PCs, only the amount and gap remain unknown.
For some unknown reason (irony :whiste
you omit that the PS4 version was running tessellation (broken is not the same than absent as some other poster noted) and that SVOGI requires both performance and memory resources. The PS4 version was developed in an early kit with less memory (1.5GB) than required (2GB) and with about a third of the PS4 performance.Targeting more resolution (1080p) than the PC, but using a kit with less memory and less performance, developers were obligated to cut down stuff from the original demo. Only people who believes on magic would wait otherwise. Only that people deliberately 'confound' the kit with the PS4 again and again. I don't want give their names, because they are so well-known as their anti-AMD anti-PS4 bias.
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RampantAndroid
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Huh? I think you mean behind those in current games targeted at high end PCs to begin with, but beyond that the GPU in the PS4 isn't even up to spec with a GTX680, let alone a 780 or a titan. Or 7970GE...or any other top end GPU out there right now. I think you're the one who is blinded...
You know, 1080P monitors are standard fare these days...
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For the 36th time in this thread he's comparing Epic's Elemental PC demo which ran at 90% of 1080p in June 2012, with the March 2013 PS4 demo.
Though almost all the numbers he uses are just a fabrication, cause he doesn't have any actual sources for them.
Hey galego, take a deep breath and let this sink in:
Nobody here is anti-ps4 we want it to get here asap so we're no longer held back by the ps3/x360. It's in our own interest that the new consoles are as powerful as possible so we don't get into the same situation straight away.
The big difference is: we're not tripping balls.
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