How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[Stuka87]

I still think crysis 3 was much more impressive than the ue4 demos. Especially the first level on the ship.

Comparing a game to a tech demo is not really fair though. Tech demo's are meant to show technology, and do not always have the "level design" of an actual game.

 

[2is]

He's only comparing it in response to the comparison made by the guy he quoted

 

[Phynaz]

Anyone know if there's going to be an intermission? I need to refill my box of popcorn and take a whizz

Could you grab me a Diet Coke while you're up please?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Caffeine free too I bet

 

[lilrayray69]

Aw I was hopin to keep up with the PS4 with my 7850 2GB...But I suppose hardware prices will drop as new things come out and the next generation gets rolling

 

[galego]

I agree completely, my issue is people on here saying it'll output higher visuals that can only be matched by Titans in SLI which is delusional. The UE4 Infiltrator demo runs on a single GTX 680 and easily looks better than any game currently out and looks superior to all the PS4 demos we have seen so far. People are forgetting that the PS4 is using DX11 hardware used to its fullest potential, but DX11 hardware for PCs has not been fully exploited at all, and the UE4 demo proves it. The PC hasn't had a single proper DX11 game yet, the next gen of consoles will help change that.

Just to remark that the infiltrator demo is not using the full potential of the PS4. This is first gen only. Optimizations and the use of the custom hardware in the PS4 will only appear latter, by reasons explained before in this thread.

Moreover, the infiltrator demo run on the i7 + 16GB RAM + GTX-680 PC only after optimizing the engine and by turning off layers and lighting.

Some of the infiltrator demo features on show:

• New material layering system, which provides unprecedented detail on characters and objects
• Dynamically lit particles, which can emit and receive light
• High-quality temporal anti-aliasing, eliminating jagged edges and temporal aliasing
• Thousands of dynamic lights with tiled deferred shading
• Adaptive detail levels with artist-programmable tessellation and displacement
• Millions of particles colliding with the environment using GPU simulation
• Realistic destructibles, such as walls and floors
• Physically based materials, lighting and shading
• Full-scene High Dynamic Range reflections with support for varying glossiness
• Illuminating Engineering Society (IES) profiles for realistic lighting distributions

The difference is that our theories are extrapolations of existing data and common sense.

That is part of the problem. Some of you still believe that the hypercharged PC architecture used in the new PS4 is just a PC with the same CPU, 8 GB of RAM, and the same discrete GPU, when the PS4 is far from that. And not forget that common sense is the less common of the senses.

 

[Erenhardt]

Aw I was hopin to keep up with the PS4 with my 7850 2GB...But I suppose hardware prices will drop as new things come out and the next generation gets rolling

Sarcasm aside. That may be very interesting topic. How new console releases influenced GPU price tags. Consoles are competition for discrete GPU, and as such should have some impact on pricing. For a brief time Duopoly(nv and amd) changes to more competitive market with offerings from sony and MS.

 

[2is]

That is part of the problem. Some of you still believe that the hypercharged PC architecture used in the new PS4 is just a PC with the same CPU, 8 GB of RAM, and the same discrete GPU, when the PS4 is far from that. And not forget that common sense is the less common of the senses.

There might be a select few people who believe that, but that's more reasonable than thinking the PS4 was created by God, which is what it would have to be if we're to believe your estimation of it's capabilities.

 

[CakeMonster]

If anything I suspect the consoles might drive the amount of memory on GPUs up a little quicker than it might have if they were not released now. Except for that I don't see the consoles having any influence whatsoever on what happens in the pc world.

 

[videogames101]

Just to remark that the infiltrator demo is not using the full potential of the PS4. This is first gen only. Optimizations and the use of the custom hardware in the PS4 will only appear latter, by reasons explained before in this thread.

Moreover, the infiltrator demo run on the i7 + 16GB RAM + GTX-680 PC only after optimizing the engine and by turning off layers and lighting.

Some of the infiltrator demo features on show:

• New material layering system, which provides unprecedented detail on characters and objects
• Dynamically lit particles, which can emit and receive light
• High-quality temporal anti-aliasing, eliminating jagged edges and temporal aliasing
• Thousands of dynamic lights with tiled deferred shading
• Adaptive detail levels with artist-programmable tessellation and displacement
• Millions of particles colliding with the environment using GPU simulation
• Realistic destructibles, such as walls and floors
• Physically based materials, lighting and shading
• Full-scene High Dynamic Range reflections with support for varying glossiness
• Illuminating Engineering Society (IES) profiles for realistic lighting distributions

That is part of the problem. Some of you still believe that the hypercharged PC architecture used in the new PS4 is just a PC with the same CPU, 8 GB of RAM, and the same discrete GPU, when the PS4 is far from that. And not forget that common sense is the less common of the senses.

what makes the ps4 "hyper-charged"

you really need to have a reality check, hardware is hardware, and a bus is a bus

 

[futurefields]

Xbox One GPU is 50% weaker than PS4's

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/ne...er-in-graphics-than-xbox-one-says-report.html

only 768 shaders on Xbox One gpu, less than even a 6850.

 

[frozentundra123456]

what makes the ps4 "hyper-charged"

you really need to have a reality check, hardware is hardware, and a bus is a bus

Because some developer with a vested interest in the console said so. Has to be true doesnt it????

 

[Schmide]

Xbox One GPU is 50% weaker than PS4's

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/ne...er-in-graphics-than-xbox-one-says-report.html

only 768 shaders on Xbox One gpu, less than even a 6850.

Math fail. It's 33% weaker or 50% faster dude.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Xbox One GPU is 50% weaker than PS4's

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/ne...er-in-graphics-than-xbox-one-says-report.html

only 768 shaders on Xbox One gpu, less than even a 6850.

Yea, I dont understand their hardware choices. They also use ddr3. I in no way believe the outlandish claims made for the PS4 in this thread, but it should be much better than the x-box.

X-box better be significantly cheaper and have some good exclusive titles. It will be interesting to see what the prices are of each of them.

 

[futurefields]

Not my math brah.

 

[Spjut]

Both Anandtech and Digitalfoundry have made a hardware analysis of the Xbox One

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-spec-analysis-xbox-one

 

[toyota]

Not my math brah.

yes it was. the article said the PS4 had a 50% more gpu power.

 

[galego]

what makes the ps4 "hyper-charged"

I think this was already discussed here: APU, HSA, hUMA, GDDR5, volatile bit, second bus...

There might be a select few people who believe that, but that's more reasonable than thinking the PS4 was created by God, which is what it would have to be if we're to believe your estimation of it's capabilities.

I agree that some people believed that the PS4 was being created by Intel and Nvidia and still cannot accept that is using better hardware from AMD.

 

[2is]

I think this was already discussed here: APU, HSA, hUMA, GDDR5, volatile bit, second bus...



I agree that some people believed that the PS4 was being created by Intel and Nvidia and still cannot accept that is using better hardware from AMD.

There might be a select few people who believe that, but that's more reasonable than thinking the PS4 was created by God, which is what it would have to be if we're to believe your estimation of it's capabilities.

 

[AGENT_P6]

Well if this claim to be better than PC is inclusive of the OS, judging by the way Windows 8 is sooooooooooooo intuitive, I think it's already won! :whiste:

I hope the PS4 actually blows ALL the current PC's away. I hope it outbenchmarks a PC with 2 i7's and 2 4GB 7990's housed in a case made from a freezer with sixteen and a half fans

Such a console would bring an end to all console ports.

Of course the consoles will blow away the PC hardware equivalent; because the software involved is NEVER ANYWHERE NEAR EQUIVALENT.

I'm curious to see which OS is more robust. PS3 came out of the box ready to handle a whole bunch of video, audio and image filetypes, while it's competitor seemed to only play proprietary codecs (Thanks Bill ) My cell phone handled more filetypes...and that was a cellphone released around the same time!! I think everyone knows a console will never be as functional as a PC, but the question is how close will it get to being as good as a PC in this regard.

Here they have all this new and improved hardware, I'd like to see a MUCH more full featured OS. You should be able to do things like split the screen for multiple "windows" and seamlessly transition from browser to store to game to messaging etc. That's what they should focus on with all this new hardware. The biggest complaint I have about my PS3 is how dull and boring (and frustrating when laggy) the XMB experience is.

Someone mentioned they just hope its a quiet HTPC. I'm certain it will. It seems like something that might be lower on the priority list for the Sony guys, but personally I think a ninja console is a HUGE part of their agenda for the PS4. I just can't see the bigwigs sitting around a table with a PS4 demo model sounding like a vacuum cleaner giving it the thumbs up. I think the bigwigs would exercise their good taste and insist that the final product be really quiet before it gets the OK because loud cars are cool but loud electronics make you worry your house may catch fire. With such limited room for heatsinks and fans I wonder how they're gonna manage to keep all that performance hardware cool. Sometimes I could cook an egg on my PS3...how is Sony planning on handling something running probably twice as hot

 

[NTMBK]

Someone mentioned they just hope its a quiet HTPC. I'm certain it will.

Lol, that would make for a pretty awesome end to the E3 demo. "Oh, and one more thing... it will run any Windows 8 application."

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well if this claim to be better than PC is inclusive of the OS, judging by the way Windows 8 is sooooooooooooo intuitive, I think it's already won! :whiste:

I hope the PS4 actually blows ALL the current PC's away. I hope it outbenchmarks a PC with 2 i7's and 2 4GB 7990's housed in a case made from a freezer with sixteen and a half fans

Such a console would bring an end to all console ports.

Of course the consoles will blow away the PC hardware equivalent; because the software involved is NEVER ANYWHERE NEAR EQUIVALENT.

I'm curious to see which OS is more robust. PS3 came out of the box ready to handle a whole bunch of video, audio and image filetypes, while it's competitor seemed to only play proprietary codecs (Thanks Bill ) My cell phone handled more filetypes...and that was a cellphone released around the same time!! I think everyone knows a console will never be as functional as a PC, but the question is how close will it get to being as good as a PC in this regard.

Here they have all this new and improved hardware, I'd like to see a MUCH more full featured OS. You should be able to do things like split the screen for multiple "windows" and seamlessly transition from browser to store to game to messaging etc. That's what they should focus on with all this new hardware. The biggest complaint I have about my PS3 is how dull and boring (and frustrating when laggy) the XMB experience is.

Someone mentioned they just hope its a quiet HTPC. I'm certain it will. It seems like something that might be lower on the priority list for the Sony guys, but personally I think a ninja console is a HUGE part of their agenda for the PS4. I just can't see the bigwigs sitting around a table with a PS4 demo model sounding like a vacuum cleaner giving it the thumbs up. I think the bigwigs would exercise their good taste and insist that the final product be really quiet before it gets the OK because loud cars are cool but loud electronics make you worry your house may catch fire. With such limited room for heatsinks and fans I wonder how they're gonna manage to keep all that performance hardware cool. Sometimes I could cook an egg on my PS3...how is Sony planning on handling something running probably twice as hot

Apparently this is a big part of the hoped for experience with the new X-box according to their recent presentation. There is supposed to be some technique that allows you to switch back into another app from a lobby that is full and then be automatically switched back into the game when space is available. Apparently ms wants the xbox to be more of an overall media device than just a gaming console. How well it is actually works, I have no idea.

Not sure what Sony has in mind for this type of thing, I just heard the interview with a Microsoft rep on the radio.

What I dont understand is how this works with the proprietary content with say, cable TV.
Are they really going to let you use a console as a DVR and control the experience when they want to sell or rent their own equipment to do the same thing?

 

[showb1z]

Xbox's only using 5GB RAM for games, so 3GB for OS and their TV stuff that's useless in 90% of the world. Yet people call Windows 7/8 bloated...
I hope the XBO doesn't become the lowest common denominator this round, the hardware is pretty disappointing. Probably still beats 2 Titans though.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The thing I find the most impressive about the new consoles was the article on Engadget where they said they will use slightly more that 100watts. I think a lot of people were expecting close to 200w from these new consoles. It's going to be very hard for a 100w PC to compete with the new consoles.

 

[2is]

The thing I find the most impressive about the new consoles was the article on Engadget where they said they will use slightly more that 100watts. I think a lot of people were expecting close to 200w from these new consoles. It's going to be very hard for a 100w PC to compete with the new consoles.

It's going to be impossible for a 100watt PC to compete with a console. No ones saying they aren't more efficient.