Originally posted by: Gurck
I called you a fanboy becuase while I made statements and backed each one up (I'm guessing you never took a debate course?), you contributed not a single thing to the argument, posting only to insult me because you don't share my opinion and were unable to counter it. Weak.Originally posted by: Sunner
Actually I don't own a single Apple product, though from what I've seen, the iPod is a fairly nice player, albeit a bit overpriced, not my kind of player though.Originally posted by: Gurck
Mindless? I've backed up my statements. More mindless fanboyism seems more like it
I do respect their products though, the G5 PowerMac's are awesome boxes, and I'd love to have one, a G5 iMac would do nicely for my parents, and OS X is bar none the best desktop OS I've ever used.
I agree their products are overpriced, but so are BMW's, that doesn't make BMW's bad cars(except the new ones are ugly as $hit).
Iaudios are smaller or the same size, depending on the model. There are competing products with the same capacity as any model ipod. As mentioned, it's one of the worst sounding. Other manufacturers, contrary to popular belief, actually do not go out of their way to make their products difficult to use. Only someone with very little tech savvy would have trouble with the interface on most players.
There are manufacturers other than Creative, you know
We've gone over the issue of features and why it's not a valid argument for the ipod. Continuing to harp on points which have been refuted and begging off of the thread just tells me you know you have no valid points. Why can't you just admit you're giving in to the herd instinct and Apple's advertising & image? You want to have what everyone else has. You want to appear "kewl" to your "frendz".I said "as little as half". The example of this is the 40gb Zen Xtra at $200 vs. the 40gb ipod at $400.
And of course life ends at 22 when most people no longer are students. Those old, crusty 23+ year olds don't listen to music anyway, they just sit around in their wheelchairs, talking about the goold old days and debating which is better - Fixodent or Polygrip... :roll:
Weak attempt to save face. You haven't addressed how "mindless" was an insult or how it was a false description because I backed up my points. You painted yourself into a corner here, simply put you posted only to insult and called someone with a valid argument mindless when your own statement was mindless, as it wasn't backed up with anything. I've said it before & will again - AT's elite members are disproportionately more pompous and less mature than posters without said status. Linked because I know you, lacking an argument, will twist my words and claim I said this about all elite members when I did nothing of the sort.
I don't care what other people think, this is part of why I don't see the appeal of the ipod in the first place. Fact of the matter is you mindlessly insulted me for being mindless when in fact I'd provided examples for each argument I made. "If you can't win, call them names on teh intarweb" seems to be gaining popularity as an approach to debatesOriginally posted by: Sunner
See my edit.
And I fail to see what my title has to do with anything?
That aside, you can ask a number of members of these forums if they think I'm pompous and/or immature, you might be surprised, or maybe not, I honestly don't know since I've never asked.
You may be right, I've read up mainly on 20+ gb models, as it's the only capacity which interests me.
Originally posted by: Gurck
I don't care what other people think, this is part of why I don't see the appeal of the ipod in the first place. Fact of the matter is you mindlessly insulted me for being mindless when in fact I'd provided examples for each argument I made. "If you can't win, call them names on teh intarweb" seems to be gaining popularity as an approach to debatesOriginally posted by: Sunner
See my edit.
And I fail to see what my title has to do with anything?
That aside, you can ask a number of members of these forums if they think I'm pompous and/or immature, you might be surprised, or maybe not, I honestly don't know since I've never asked.
Aside from my opinion on its looks & my feelings on the statement it makes about you to others, all of my points (the majority of them) have been factual. Not opinions, not complaints. It does not play ogg or flac. It does have 0.42% THD as measured through the headphone jack. Etcetera... these are not opinions.
Threadcrapping is having a dissenting opinion? If you want a circle jerk where no one's allowed to disagree, make your own thread and state this explicitly in the original post (or post in P&N). Who said you crap in threads? I certainly didn't. I said you mindlessly insulted me for being mindless when my post was nothing of the sort.
I've searched & found nothing about them fixing it. Until I do, I'll assume it hasn't been addressed. Even if it has been or will be, it's quite telling that they shipped such an expensive player with such a cheap headphone jack. It's just one more example of where the money's really going.. (hint: it's not toward quality components or quality assurance)
"Click here for price"Originally posted by: daniel1113
iPod 20GB - $290
Zen Touch 20GB - $230
iPod 40GB - $330
Zen Xtra 40GB - $250
Where is this $200 price difference? Looks like the iPod has about a $80 premium on the Zen Xtra, which isn't bad considering the size difference.
Besides, like many, many people, I've been screwed by buy.com and will never shop there again.
Like the BMW example, this is another one where it's fully understandable. Keeping the g/f happy > ensuring she has a decent player.
Actually no I don't
Someplace that's not up front about things, especially important things such as the price of what they're selling, doesn't get my business. Same with sub-8 ratings at resellerratings.com, such as Amazon's and especially buy.com's. 
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