I just bought a silver mini 4GB @ target yesterday night. i had the original 5GB that died on me last month. Awesome. Very small and sleek lookin.
Never had a problem or a complaint.
Have to use iTunes? It's only installed on my main computer and for everything else I use Sharepod or my Griffin iTrip.
Quicktime as malware? C'mon Gurck you've been whining about that for months. Learn to uncheck the boxes (that goes for WMPlayer and others) when you're installing it or change your file associations so it's not the default player for anything but quicktime media files. Surely being on a "Tech" board you would have heard about that by now.
Sound Quality? C'mon, I'm not expecting audiophile quality out of something that fits in my pocket, nor do I care to use some obscure format that 95% of everyone else I know doesn't use. See sharing listed above. And of course the included headphones aren't all that great. I challenge you to find a player that includes a decent set at an affordable price. Most people replace em anyhow...
Battery life is pretty decent on the newer models, as is price/capacity.
Mindless Sheep? Some people manage to grow up and think for themselves instead of the mindless "the masses like it so it must suck" kneejerk mentality. Seriously, how do you manage to keep whatever player you have full after all your bands get popular and "sell out".
And interface does matter. As "techy" as you want to be, I don't buy a portable audio device to make it difficult to find the song I'm looking for. Solving glitches and navigating archane menus my idea of fun when I'm walking down the street.
Oh, and I'm not an apple fan either. I bought the 2nd Rio model that came out with hardly any memory and had a Creative player for which service and support sucked when it had issues. iTunes definitely needs more options for deselecting songs en masse and Apple got to their cheaper prices by leaving out some key accessories on the newer mini's (firewire cord, wall charger).
Have to use iTunes? It's only installed on my main computer and for everything else I use Sharepod or my Griffin iTrip.
Quicktime as malware? C'mon Gurck you've been whining about that for months. Learn to uncheck the boxes (that goes for WMPlayer and others) when you're installing it or change your file associations so it's not the default player for anything but quicktime media files. Surely being on a "Tech" board you would have heard about that by now.
Sound Quality? C'mon, I'm not expecting audiophile quality out of something that fits in my pocket, nor do I care to use some obscure format that 95% of everyone else I know doesn't use. See sharing listed above. And of course the included headphones aren't all that great. I challenge you to find a player that includes a decent set at an affordable price. Most people replace em anyhow...
Battery life is pretty decent on the newer models, as is price/capacity.
Mindless Sheep? Some people manage to grow up and think for themselves instead of the mindless "the masses like it so it must suck" kneejerk mentality. Seriously, how do you manage to keep whatever player you have full after all your bands get popular and "sell out".
And interface does matter. As "techy" as you want to be, I don't buy a portable audio device to make it difficult to find the song I'm looking for. Solving glitches and navigating archane menus my idea of fun when I'm walking down the street.
Oh, and I'm not an apple fan either. I bought the 2nd Rio model that came out with hardly any memory and had a Creative player for which service and support sucked when it had issues. iTunes definitely needs more options for deselecting songs en masse and Apple got to their cheaper prices by leaving out some key accessories on the newer mini's (firewire cord, wall charger).
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I've called Apple fans mindless plenty of times.
And no matter if you post why you feel the way you do, the mere fact that you feel compelled to post it in so many iPod threads goes a long way to show you just don't like the iPod.
If Apple made a $100 60GB iPod with awesome sound quality, would you like it then?
Again, the reason I mentioned the Winamp vs Foobar2K thing is because it's yet another matter where you just won't quit, despite the fact that even the Foobar developers disagree with you, not because it's directly related to this.
I think some people neeed to grow up and step away from their elitist view. Although we all cannot agree which is the best mp3 player, we can agree that there is currently no perfect MP3 player right now on the market. Since we all have different indifference curves for consumption it should make sense that some people may prefer tthe features of the iPod over other players and vice versa.
I've held out on buying an mp3 player until earlier this week when I finally bite the bullet. It came down to the iPod mini and the creative zen micro. I really tried to stay away from Apple products up to this point because I didn't want people to think I was following a trend. I soon realized that going out of your way to make choices to be different is no better than following a trend. Trendiness and subjective opinions aside, iPods have a lot to offer in terms of features and useability. I finally decided on the mini and haven't looked back. To sum it up from my experience, it just plain works trouble free on my home built overclocked AMD system.
I've held out on buying an mp3 player until earlier this week when I finally bite the bullet. It came down to the iPod mini and the creative zen micro. I really tried to stay away from Apple products up to this point because I didn't want people to think I was following a trend. I soon realized that going out of your way to make choices to be different is no better than following a trend. Trendiness and subjective opinions aside, iPods have a lot to offer in terms of features and useability. I finally decided on the mini and haven't looked back. To sum it up from my experience, it just plain works trouble free on my home built overclocked AMD system.
I have an ipod 20 gig/4g. I think the ipod mini is a bad value. Don't see anything I like about that the 20 gig dosen't.
The iPod mini is a bad value on a cost to space ratio, but most people who buy it value its smaller design over space. I chose a mini b/c I wanted to use my mp3 player when working out and running, but had more music than the 1gb limit that most flash mp3 players have.
Afaik you have no option; when installing itunes, QT will be put on your PC. Setting it not to reset your file associations does nothing; it does it anyway. If these programs are so great, why are there free third party alternatives for them specifically, such as ephpod, anapod, and quicktime alternative?
Then why pay a price which indicates otherwise?
Agreed, however some rios and I believe some iriver models come with the budget Senn buds, which is a step up, though only a small one.
I've given countless factual reasons why it's a bad player and you assume I must not like it because it's popular?
You should have left this one out, it really makes you look dull. I like plenty of popular things and dislike many as well. What others think and do doesn't factor into my thoughts or decisions.Other players are nowhere near as difficult to use as you claim. I think a big part of this is that while the average ipod fan on these boards was a twinkle in his father's eye during the dos age, I actually had to use that OS
I only answered the OP's question; this thread went a long way because I'm not going to sit around being flamed and not defend myself. What you're essentially saying, again, is that you can't take hearing a dissenting opinion and that whatever more people agree with is right. Baa...
Sure would.
They have to say this because kernel streaming is not officially supported and may cause glitches (though I've experienced none) and they don't want liability for that or an obligation to troubleshoot, etc. You have only to compare the two on a decent sound card (and not a creative model) to hear the difference, yet you insist on flaming me instead.
What features of the ipod?
Originally posted by: Gurck
Yes, QT will be put on your PC, but you can check which files you'd like it to associate with. I only have it work with quicktime specific formats. Windows media files open with media player and mp3's open with winamp. QT does what I tell it to do. Third party alternatives? Because people like to code
Yes, sorry the sarcasm went overboard, but from some of your posts thats how it comes off. The mindless sheep comment and railing against apple's ads combined with the audiophile statistics comes off as elitist, but I concede it was less than honorable on my partI've given countless factual reasons why it's a bad player and you assume I must not like it because it's popular?
Other players are nowhere near as difficult to use as you claim. I think a big part of this is that while the average ipod fan on these boards was a twinkle in his father's eye during the dos age, I actually had to use that OS
So did I, along with Unix and now Linux (which I don't claim to know volumes about btw). But there's a difference between those OS's and trying to find a file, set up a playlist or change settings on my portable media player - the former I don't mind being more complex because of the features and purpose of what I'm using them for. I just don't feel the need for complexity in something I primarily use when I'm walking, running, _insert sport here_, or driving down the road. The easier I can get the iPod to do what I'd like with one hand and a mimimum of steps, the better.
So at least we agree to disagree...
Originally posted by: Gurck
It died on you so you bought another one?
I think you might be mistaken. When i said original i meant the first full size Ipod 5Gb that came out in 2001 IIRC which i bought on ebay.
Got my iPod mini last week and I love it. "18-hour battery life" is a very unrealistic estimate since I am certain Apple (and all other companies) base these numbers on best scenarios.
From the rate at which the battery life indicator has dropped, I would put battery life at half of 18 at best.
I am NOT an audiophile. The stock earbuds sound great to me but I haven't tried out those $100 Boses or those $400 Etymotics. I'll bet they sound great...as good as 10 or 40 Apple earbuds playing at the same time
From the rate at which the battery life indicator has dropped, I would put battery life at half of 18 at best.
I am NOT an audiophile. The stock earbuds sound great to me but I haven't tried out those $100 Boses or those $400 Etymotics. I'll bet they sound great...as good as 10 or 40 Apple earbuds playing at the same time
I am told that the battery life indicator is not that accurate and often drops way faster than the battery goes dead. I know on my 4GB Mini which was only supposed to last for 10 hours it drops fast on the indicator but I have never had it go dead even after hours and hours. Try running it till it turns off sometime and see how long it goes.
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Yeah Bose Blows, but some people may like em. I have the triports only cuz they were given to me. They sound "ok" and better than the ibuds, but I would never buy them. And as for Apple and Bose being bed fellows, the same could be said for Altec Lansing, GMC, pretty much everyone is making something for ipod. Cars with ipod connectors as a selling feature is real low when selling a car imo. I don't see these companies jumping all over Creative or Rio or any other media player. Why? Not because they suck but because the ipod is the best overall balance between all players. Doesnt sound the best, may not have the best battery life, may not even have the best interface but the fact remains that it is the #1 media player for many reasons. Reasons many obviously don't agree on, but facts are facts. We all pretty much agree that Sony as a whole makes crappy audio equipment, even their ES line has turned to crap (I'm a Denon/Onkyo guy) but if you test portable CD players I bet Sony comes out on top most of the time for various reasons simular to ipods reasons. Know what I mean?
The difference between companies capitalizing on the ipod's success and actually having their products featured in Apple stores is obvious, imo...
How is it the best balance between players? Facts? The only facts behind this trend are that people as a rule are gullible & lazy and that advertising sells better than quality or value.
You gotta be kidding me, Gurck. Given your cynical point of view, even you are gullible and lazy. Or are you somehow better than everybody else?
Apple is a genius when it comes to marketing their product. They portrayed the iPod as hip, cool, stylish starting in 2001. If the iPod truly does suck, then why is it still far and away the best-selling portable mp3 player 4 years later, even in the face of multitudinous competitors?
i got a 20 gig 4th gen and it's amazing. I didn't get the i-pod mini because even the 20 gig wouldn't hold all my songs lol and i seriously don't think the i-pod doesn't need to get any smaller anyway (it's like mini M&M's)
Who's saying their business model is bad? It's genius, they've got people buying the worst player for more money than any of its competitors and defending it to the death on internet forums for free. As I've stated (you'd know this had you read the thread - and you're calling me lazy?) it's the #1 DAP for many of the same reasons AOL is the #1 ISP.
Gurck, I've tried looking through the 8 pages of this thread and I haven't once found any reference you made to AOL. Perhaps you'd like to point me to it. From the looks of it, I'm not the only one who disagrees with your views.
And if you actually read what I wrote, I never criticized you as lazy. I said that using your blanket rule that all people are gullible and lazy, then you must be as well. In that case, your words don't mean anything.
Clearly, you are one of few people that believe the iPod is the worst mp3 player. It is especially sad that you believe anybody who does not share your view is a stupid, bandwagon-jumping follower.
And if you actually read what I wrote, I never criticized you as lazy. I said that using your blanket rule that all people are gullible and lazy, then you must be as well. In that case, your words don't mean anything.
Clearly, you are one of few people that believe the iPod is the worst mp3 player. It is especially sad that you believe anybody who does not share your view is a stupid, bandwagon-jumping follower.
Read it again. You also might want to change default threads per page to 100.
Yes you did. It's ok, I get a lot of petty namecalling from ipod fans with no real argument but who have a company to fellate nonetheless. I'm nothing if not used to it.
Where did I say this? Actually I get a lot of words put in my mouth for the same reason by the same people I mentioned above, so this isn't surprising either.
Rather than continue arguing the details with you, I think it is suffice to say that when there many people calling you names and putting words in your mouth, it is you alone with the problem, not the rest of us.
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