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malG

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Originally posted by: Greyd
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd

No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.

You're dead wrong as usual. We had free healthcare in Australia for over a century. I know because my grandma was born in a public hospital in Perth. I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.

WOW! Your grandmother is at least 200 years old?????!!!!! Cooooooool!!!

Another stupid fellow, a century is only 100 years. My grandma is over 100 years old. Don't they teach you anything in school?

:laugh:

 

CaptainGoodnight

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Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

You are comparing apples to oranges. The top Australian Universities are no where in league with the top American Universities.

The Top 100 Global Universities

How many of those are Australian Universities?

Too bad the low income Americans can't afford any of those universities. We Australian can go to any local universities, public or private.

:p

Listen, I arrived in the United States in 1986 with three suitcases containing clothes, a couple of books, and two cameras. I had, in total, $2,700 in cash. That was it. Two years after that, I was able to buy a house in the outer Chicago suburbs and start attending college.
 

KingofCamelot

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Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd

No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.

You're dead wrong as usual. We had free healthcare in Australia for over a century. I know because my grandma was born in a public hospital in Perth. I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.

WOW! Your grandmother is at least 200 years old?????!!!!! Cooooooool!!!

Another stupid fellow, a century is only 100 years. My grandma is over 100 years old. Don't they teach you anything in school?

:laugh:

He was refering to your comment about centuries, but I guess they didn't teach you to think before you speak.
 

Greyd

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Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd

No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.

I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.

O rly?

That would mean that Australia's free healthcare system is based on the UK's National Health Service.

One small problem. Notice that pesky little date in there. The National Health Service didn't come into being until 1948.

OH SNAP!
 

Greyd

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Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

You are comparing apples to oranges. The top Australian Universities are no where in league with the top American Universities.

The Top 100 Global Universities

How many of those are Australian Universities?

Too bad the low income Americans can't afford any of those universities. We Australian can go to any local universities, public or private.

:p

Too bad Australia doesn't have any Harvard/Standford/Yale caliber universities. :p
 

Greyd

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Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd

No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.

You're dead wrong as usual. We had free healthcare in Australia for over a century. I know because my grandma was born in a public hospital in Perth. I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.

WOW! Your grandmother is at least 200 years old?????!!!!! Cooooooool!!!

Another stupid fellow, a century is only 100 years. My grandma is over 100 years old. Don't they teach you anything in school?

:laugh:

He was refering to your comment about centuries, but I guess they didn't teach you to think before you speak.

Hahahahaha. :laugh: MalG continues to embarrass himself.
 

malG

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Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd

No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.

You're dead wrong as usual. We had free healthcare in Australia for over a century. I know because my grandma was born in a public hospital in Perth. I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.

Really? According to this page the beginnings of universial healthcare in Australia only began in 1941. And when the system was fully functional was probably much later.

You guys are way too dumb.

The first public health initiatives in Australia were initiated in 1788

You must be American :roll:

 

Greyd

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Ok now I'm starting to feel bad for you MalG. I 'm actually embarrassed FOR you. So to relieve you of any further shame, I leave you to....yourself. Goodbye and G'DAY MATE!
 

CaptainGoodnight

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Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd

No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.

You're dead wrong as usual. We had free healthcare in Australia for over a century. I know because my grandma was born in a public hospital in Perth. I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.

Really? According to this page the beginnings of universial healthcare in Australia only began in 1941. And when the system was fully functional was probably much later.

You guys are way too dumb.

The first public health initiatives in Australia were initiated in 1788

You must be American :roll:

You do know public healthcare is not the same as universial healthcare, right?

Public healthcare has been in the United States since 1798.

 

malG

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Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Greyd

No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.

You're dead wrong as usual. We had free healthcare in Australia for over a century. I know because my grandma was born in a public hospital in Perth. I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.

Really? According to this page the beginnings of universial healthcare in Australia only began in 1941. And when the system was fully functional was probably much later.

You guys are way too dumb.

The first public health initiatives in Australia were initiated in 1788

You must be American :roll:

You do know public health is not the same as universial healthcare, right?

Public healthcare has been in the United States since 1798.

Fair enough. The Sydney Hospital was opened in 1816. It's completely free to all till today, unlike the American system.


 

JS80

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malG is right. The US government needs to start building hospitals and manufacture more doctors and nurses so we can give free healthcare for everyone :roll:
 

malG

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Originally posted by: JS80
malG is right. The US government needs to start building hospitals and manufacture more doctors and nurses so we can give free healthcare for everyone :roll:

Even Israel has free healthcare and better social security system than USA, thanks to American taxpayers. Why shouldn't Americans get something back (e.g. free healthcare) from their taxes?





 

Adn4n

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Who do you think is joining the military in the US? Everyone I know that joined the military did so first because they had no other options. Giving people better financial aid and free health care would not make the military an appealing offer. You have to also realize that in the US you are NOT required to join the military service, merely register for a draft without any time spent in training.
 

KingofCamelot

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Originally posted by: malG
Even Israel has free healthcare and better social security system than USA, thanks to American taxpayers. Why shouldn't Americans get something back (e.g. free healthcare) from their taxes?

Why are you so ****** concerned about American social policies? Mind your own ****** business.
 

Adn4n

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Man looking at that list of top 100 schools makes me sad. I got accepted into the 5th ranked one and could not afford to go.
 

malG

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Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Originally posted by: malG
Even Israel has free healthcare and better social security system than USA, thanks to American taxpayers. Why shouldn't Americans get something back (e.g. free healthcare) from their taxes?

Why are you so ****** concerned about American social policies? Mind your own ****** business.

Ouch, the Israelis got you by the balls eh? It's pretty obvious that they got everything for free and the poor American workers are paying for it. Are you that fearful of the Israelis, or that stupid?
 

amddude

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Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Originally posted by: malG
Even Israel has free healthcare and better social security system than USA, thanks to American taxpayers. Why shouldn't Americans get something back (e.g. free healthcare) from their taxes?

Why are you so ****** concerned about American social policies? Mind your own ****** business.

Ouch, the Israelis got you by the balls eh? It's pretty obvious that they got everything for free and the poor American workers are paying for it. Are you that fearful of the Israelis, or that stupid?

I'd just as soon keep my tax dollars, kthx. I am one of these 'poor' folk everyone is talking about, I make about $30k a year. I don't want any more taxes and I don't feel like I need to plunder the rich to get more freebies.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: Adn4n
Who do you think is joining the military in the US? Everyone I know that joined the military did so first because they had no other options. Giving people better financial aid and free health care would not make the military an appealing offer. You have to also realize that in the US you are NOT required to join the military service, merely register for a draft without any time spent in training.


While that is a good chunk of the people joining, I would say it is more like 25%. Another 50% joined because they have not decided where they want to go in life. The other 25% because they wanted to/patriotism/etc.
 

pontifex

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i don't get why everyone keeps saying that we're poor because we buy thigns we can't afford or because we care about what other people think. this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world? i don't buy that.

 

imported_Tango

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Originally posted by: pontifex
i don't get why everyone keeps saying that we're poor because we buy thigns we can't afford or because we care about what other people think. this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world? i don't buy that.

I'm quite amazed this thread didn't immediately become a flame war..

Well, it's true that access to credit in the US is very easy compared to other developed countries, because there is virtually no limit to the compounded interests they can charge. This of course has the side effect of having many irresponsible people getting credit to sustain consumption they probably shouldn't really be sustaining.

Anyway: the US is of course not a poor country. It's a very rich country. It's also a very dis-homogeneous country.

The Gini index for the US is extremely unbalanced, not very far from Brazil. That's why, considering how rich the country is, there are more poor than you would expect.

A lot of that GDP ends in corporations' wallets or in the top 1% individuals. The same GDP with a lower Gini coefficient would results in a place looking much richer that it looks now.
 

krunchykrome

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Every month or so, a thread will come along where a european or australian starts bashing Americas cultures, norms, or economy.

 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Mrfrog840
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Most Americans are "poor" because they insist on living beyond their means. They want instant gratification when it comes to expensive purchases. Buy now, pay later with interest!

should be at the top with that answer..

Couldn't agree more

This is why I don't own a credit card, and for as long as I can possibly stand, I wont.

Also, no HUGE purchases, except for something like a new car, or a house in 3-4 years from now... All of which I'm saving for. Also, I buy used cars, and I pay the whole amount right there. How's THAT for using my own damn money?? :)
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Why not just dramatically lower taxes and put people in charge of their own futures?

I think most people are not wise enough to invest their own money. Just look at Americans...they spend more than they earn ;)

And there's the focal point of your argument. You believe the government daddy knows best how to spend your wages. You can keep your socialisitic crap, I'd rather have the freedom to spend the money I earn however I wish.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: flexy
Originally posted by: Queasy
BTW, poor compared to what? Even poor Americans enjoy a standard of living much higher than the rest of the world...including Europe.

hahahaha. I read that "standard of living" all the time. Its total BOLLOCKS.

Dont get me wrong, as someone who lived 7+ years in the states its NOT my intention to bash the usa. But..please define "standard of living" ?

As an example, and i can ONLY speak for Germany now:

* health care, health insurance, social security, unemployment security
NO WAY IN HELL the us comes even close there. We pay A LOT of taxes, i totally agree....but....we also get something BACK from the taxes we pay....in the US those go to IRAQ.

* Public Transportation

*Price of groceries
Germany is known to have VERY LOW priced grocery discounters. Thats one reason Walmart FAILED in Germany since they couldnt compete with the low margins here. (This was new to me too)


* CERTAIN internet infrastructure.
Most/Many people in Europe have a 16MB/1MB DSL line....i havent even SEEN speeds like that advertized ANYWHERE over in the US...be it comcast or whatever provider i had....

Give me examples please for "higher standard of living" in the us ;)


Edit: Yes...i agree...my personal impression is that the MIDDLECLASS is big in the states..many people DO have average jobs, barely paying bills etc..etc. Not really "poor" tho. But then there ARE many really poor people since (as said) things like unemployment insurance etc. are as good as nonexistent.

And...i dont need to mention that very known term "working poor"...the many people who work hard 40+ hrs but STILL are poor because the jobs just pay **** and no H/Ins.

IIRC, Germany also has a much higher population density as a whole when compared to the U.S. Public transportation, network infrastructure, etc... are harder to implement when you've got states like Kansas where there's nothing but farmland for miles and miles. From what I remember when I was in Europe, you couldn't spit without hitting one of your neighbors...
 

Skotty

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Americans are fairly heartless. Most don't care about the poor, regardless of why they are poor, instead lumping all poor into the category of deserving their poorness. An American would be more likely to send his or her children out to beat up a homeless man for fun then support any program that tries to help him. Kicking a man when he's down is pretty much an American past time. Social programs to help the less fortunate are considered communist.

Be careful not to talk too much about these Australian social programs, less your country soon be listed as an evil regime soon to be "liberated" by the Americans.