How come most Americans are poor?

[K1052]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: JS80
malG is right. The US government needs to start building hospitals and manufacture more doctors and nurses so we can give free healthcare for everyone :roll:

Even Israel has free healthcare and better social security system than USA, thanks to American taxpayers. Why shouldn't Americans get something back (e.g. free healthcare) from their taxes?

Free health care is a myth, albeit one reinforced by ambitious politicians to sway the weak minded. The money has to come from somewhere. That particular somewhere is your pocket via more taxes.

It is easy to lecture us on how badly we are doing from the cheap seats isn't it?
Your nation's GPD ranks in the vicinity of the state that I live in (and you have 8M more people).

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: Queasy
BTW, poor compared to what? Even poor Americans enjoy a standard of living much higher than the rest of the world...including Europe.

hahahaha. I read that "standard of living" all the time. Its total BOLLOCKS.

Dont get me wrong, as someone who lived 7+ years in the states its NOT my intention to bash the usa. But..please define "standard of living" ?

As an example, and i can ONLY speak for Germany now:

* health care, health insurance, social security, unemployment security
NO WAY IN HELL the us comes even close there. We pay A LOT of taxes, i totally agree....but....we also get something BACK from the taxes we pay....in the US those go to IRAQ.

* Public Transportation

*Price of groceries
Germany is known to have VERY LOW priced grocery discounters. Thats one reason Walmart FAILED in Germany since they couldnt compete with the low margins here. (This was new to me too)


* CERTAIN internet infrastructure.
Most/Many people in Europe have a 16MB/1MB DSL line....i havent even SEEN speeds like that advertized ANYWHERE over in the US...be it comcast or whatever provider i had....

Give me examples please for "higher standard of living" in the us


Edit: Yes...i agree...my personal impression is that the MIDDLECLASS is big in the states..many people DO have average jobs, barely paying bills etc..etc. Not really "poor" tho. But then there ARE many really poor people since (as said) things like unemployment insurance etc. are as good as nonexistent.

And...i dont need to mention that very known term "working poor"...the many people who work hard 40+ hrs but STILL are poor because the jobs just pay **** and no H/Ins.

IIRC, Germany also has a much higher population density as a whole when compared to the U.S. Public transportation, network infrastructure, etc... are harder to implement when you've got states like Kansas where there's nothing but farmland for miles and miles. From what I remember when I was in Europe, you couldn't spit without hitting one of your neighbors...

Germany also enjoys a 9.2% unemployment rate. They were in the double-digits for a while.

 

[pontifex]

America is a rich country because all of the corporations are rich, not the people.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Skotty
Americans are fairly heartless. Most don't care about the poor, regardless of why they are poor, instead lumping all poor into the category of deserving their poorness. An American would be more likely to send his or her children out to beat up a homeless man for fun then support any program that tries to help him. Kicking a man when he's down is pretty much an American past time. Social programs to help the less fortunate are considered communist.

Be careful not to talk too much about these Australian social programs, less your country soon be listed as an evil regime soon to be "liberated" by the Americans.

Despite the fact that the largest charities in the world (save one that is based in the UK) were founded and endowed by wealthy Americans?

I bow to your obviously firm and measured grasp of the situation and our collective character. :roll:

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: Queasy
BTW, poor compared to what? Even poor Americans enjoy a standard of living much higher than the rest of the world...including Europe.

hahahaha. I read that "standard of living" all the time. Its total BOLLOCKS.

Dont get me wrong, as someone who lived 7+ years in the states its NOT my intention to bash the usa. But..please define "standard of living" ?

As an example, and i can ONLY speak for Germany now:

* health care, health insurance, social security, unemployment security
NO WAY IN HELL the us comes even close there. We pay A LOT of taxes, i totally agree....but....we also get something BACK from the taxes we pay....in the US those go to IRAQ.

* Public Transportation

*Price of groceries
Germany is known to have VERY LOW priced grocery discounters. Thats one reason Walmart FAILED in Germany since they couldnt compete with the low margins here. (This was new to me too)


* CERTAIN internet infrastructure.
Most/Many people in Europe have a 16MB/1MB DSL line....i havent even SEEN speeds like that advertized ANYWHERE over in the US...be it comcast or whatever provider i had....

Give me examples please for "higher standard of living" in the us


Edit: Yes...i agree...my personal impression is that the MIDDLECLASS is big in the states..many people DO have average jobs, barely paying bills etc..etc. Not really "poor" tho. But then there ARE many really poor people since (as said) things like unemployment insurance etc. are as good as nonexistent.

And...i dont need to mention that very known term "working poor"...the many people who work hard 40+ hrs but STILL are poor because the jobs just pay **** and no H/Ins.

IIRC, Germany also has a much higher population density as a whole when compared to the U.S. Public transportation, network infrastructure, etc... are harder to implement when you've got states like Kansas where there's nothing but farmland for miles and miles. From what I remember when I was in Europe, you couldn't spit without hitting one of your neighbors...

Germany also enjoys a 9.2% unemployment rate. They were in the double-digits for a while.

That's unpossible! I thought the European countries were a "worker's paradise" :Q

 

[malG]

Originally posted by: K1052
Despite the fact that the largest charities in the world (save one that is based in the UK) were founded and endowed by wealthy Americans?

I bow to your obviously firm and measured grasp of the situation and our collective character. :roll:

Why doesn't Bill Gates help the millions of homeless Americans?

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: K1052
Despite the fact that the largest charities in the world (save one that is based in the UK) were founded and endowed by wealthy Americans?

I bow to your obviously firm and measured grasp of the situation and our collective character. :roll:

Why doesn't Bill Gates help the millions of homeless Americans?

This Bill Gates?? Also look here.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: K1052
Despite the fact that the largest charities in the world (save one that is based in the UK) were founded and endowed by wealthy Americans?

I bow to your obviously firm and measured grasp of the situation and our collective character. :roll:

Why doesn't Bill Gates help the millions of homeless Americans?

brilliant

 

[malG]

Interesting article about Bill Gates and homelessness: http://www.streetnewsservice.org/index.php?page=archive_detail&articleID=1097

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: Queasy
BTW, poor compared to what? Even poor Americans enjoy a standard of living much higher than the rest of the world...including Europe.

hahahaha. I read that "standard of living" all the time. Its total BOLLOCKS.

Dont get me wrong, as someone who lived 7+ years in the states its NOT my intention to bash the usa. But..please define "standard of living" ?

As an example, and i can ONLY speak for Germany now:

* health care, health insurance, social security, unemployment security
NO WAY IN HELL the us comes even close there. We pay A LOT of taxes, i totally agree....but....we also get something BACK from the taxes we pay....in the US those go to IRAQ.

* Public Transportation

*Price of groceries
Germany is known to have VERY LOW priced grocery discounters. Thats one reason Walmart FAILED in Germany since they couldnt compete with the low margins here. (This was new to me too)


* CERTAIN internet infrastructure.
Most/Many people in Europe have a 16MB/1MB DSL line....i havent even SEEN speeds like that advertized ANYWHERE over in the US...be it comcast or whatever provider i had....

Give me examples please for "higher standard of living" in the us


Edit: Yes...i agree...my personal impression is that the MIDDLECLASS is big in the states..many people DO have average jobs, barely paying bills etc..etc. Not really "poor" tho. But then there ARE many really poor people since (as said) things like unemployment insurance etc. are as good as nonexistent.

And...i dont need to mention that very known term "working poor"...the many people who work hard 40+ hrs but STILL are poor because the jobs just pay **** and no H/Ins.

IIRC, Germany also has a much higher population density as a whole when compared to the U.S. Public transportation, network infrastructure, etc... are harder to implement when you've got states like Kansas where there's nothing but farmland for miles and miles. From what I remember when I was in Europe, you couldn't spit without hitting one of your neighbors...

Germany also enjoys a 9.2% unemployment rate. They were in the double-digits for a while.

That's unpossible! I thought the European countries were a "worker's paradise" :Q

Didn't France also have almost 15,000 people die as the result of a heat wave? Not a natural disaster. Not a war. A heat wave. Germany saw something on the order of 7,000 people die. The EU as a whole saw something around 35,000 people die.

Where was the wonderful loving nanny state then to help the people? How's that for a standard of living?

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: malG
Interesting article about Bill Gates and homelessness: http://www.streetnewsservice.org/index.php?page=archive_detail&articleID=1097

Are you serious, that's your source??

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: malG
Interesting article about Bill Gates and homelessness: http://www.streetnewsservice.org/index.php?page=archive_detail&articleID=1097

Are you serious, that's your source??

It is called grasping at straws when your ignorance has been made clear. Desperation is a stinky cologne.

 

[malG]

My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

And then what happens in 10 years when the handouts stop?

They just go back to the same exact ways...except worse because they don't know how to help themselves.

Money and handouts do not fix problems. They simply delay them.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

You really are proving to be an incredible tool

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

Did you read about Gates' foundation? Obviously not or you understand he is making a huge effort worldwide. There are much poorer places than the US. Your article about him not doing enough is written by a homeless advocacy group! Do you see the connection?

 

[malG]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

You really are proving to be an incredible tool

Bill Gates is worth >50 billion dollars, where does it say that he's contributed >1% of his wealth towards AMERICAN HOMELESNESS?

Do dumb people grow on trees in America?

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

You really are proving to be an incredible tool

Bill Gates is worth >50 billion dollars, where does it say that he's contributed >1% of his wealth towards AMERICAN HOMELESNESS?

Do dumb people grow on trees in America?

He donated over $1 billion and, using your numbers, that's 2%+ of his total wealth which is greater than 1% you mentioned.

 

[malG]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

You really are proving to be an incredible tool

Bill Gates is worth >50 billion dollars, where does it say that he's contributed >1% of his wealth towards AMERICAN HOMELESNESS?

Do dumb people grow on trees in America?

He donated $1 billion and, using your numbers, that's 2% of his total wealth which is greater than 1% you mentioned.

WOW a whole 2%!!!

Anyway, care to elaborate where the 2% is spent on?

 

[FoBoT]

too many pinko commies in this thread

 

[Flyback]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: K1052
Despite the fact that the largest charities in the world (save one that is based in the UK) were founded and endowed by wealthy Americans?

I bow to your obviously firm and measured grasp of the situation and our collective character. :roll:

Why doesn't Bill Gates help the millions of homeless Americans?

Why should he? If they want to be homeless that is their choice. Perhaps they like that lifestyle.

You do know that most of those people do it by choice, right? They choose not to live a normal, "regimented" lifestyle that requires a job.

He has no responsibility to take care of them. He took care of himself and they should do the same.

 

[exdeath]

About the only government subsidized thing I agree with here is education and here?s why.

People who are going to school are already showing that they are willing to make the effort to further themselves all on their own. Unlike free healthcare where you might have 1000 times more people in the ER for free Tylenol who don't have jobs or educations, people aren't just going to line up for college degrees and not want to use them to get better paying jobs when they are done. That means we have more productive citizens and less student debt, instead of a bunch of loosers hanging out at the ER every weekend as a free healthcare plan. And we also won't bankrupt our hospitals; the Mexicans are doing a fine job of in the SouthWest all by themselves.

And I've paid FAR more in taxes than I have received in education grants, etc. It's pretty much a guaranteed investment for the government. I'm quite content with my healthcare plan. It costs me $60 a month and it's the #1 in the state. Too many people here turn that down as it is because they can get free care through state funded crap. Why? Thats $60 a month they can spend on more beer, etc. Don't bitch to me that $60 is too expensive for families that are paying $150 a month for premium cable, $200 a month in family cell phone plans, and $50 a month for cable internet. Don't raise my premiums via lack of enrollment just because some jackass can't get his priorities straight.


I'll say it again, America is NOT poor. The media run by the left would like to make American's *think* they are poor if they don't have a gold plated Escalade on 26's and a 65" plasma TV 'like everyone else'. Then they can spin the whole Robinhood promise come election time and transform this country into their communist utopia.

Keep maxing out those credit cards on your $20k a year salary to buy those big screens and the latest $600 cell phones every three months so you can be cool sex like everyone you see on TV if you want, but stop bitching about how poor you are and trying to take my money.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

You really are proving to be an incredible tool

Bill Gates is worth >50 billion dollars, where does it say that he's contributed >1% of his wealth towards AMERICAN HOMELESNESS?

Do dumb people grow on trees in America?

He donated $1 billion and, using your numbers, that's 2% of his total wealth which is greater than 1% you mentioned.

WOW a whole 2%!!!

Anyway, care to elaborate where the 2% is spent on?

Story from your homeland. Evidently I was wrong about his donations. Says here he has given over $25 billion in donations to start and fund his foundation. Exactly how much do you personally donate again?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: malG
My point is Bill Gates could eradicate American homelessness for the next ten years but made minimal effort in helping millions of homeless fellow Americans. It would appear the super rich of American society don?t really care about America's poor.

You really are proving to be an incredible tool

Bill Gates is worth >50 billion dollars, where does it say that he's contributed >1% of his wealth towards AMERICAN HOMELESNESS?

Do dumb people grow on trees in America?

There are worst things than homelessness. Oh, and follow the links. You call me dumb, yet you can't operate a link?

But from your posts, it seems like your entire premise is the lack of just throwing money at things and absolving individuals of personal responsibility.

 

[malG]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Evidently I was wrong about his (Bill Gates) donations.

Thank you