Originally posted by: malG
Thank you
Quit trolling. It's obvious you just want to bash the US and no evidence will convince you otherwise. You're like a kid with his fingers stuck in his ears
Quit trolling. It's obvious you just want to bash the US and no evidence will convince you otherwise. You're like a kid with his fingers stuck in his ears
I challenge you to name 5 things worse than homelessness that society should more concerned about.
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Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: malG
Thank you
Quit trolling. It's obvious you just want to bash the US and no evidence will convince you otherwise. You're like a kid with his fingers stuck in his ears
I guess I need to repeat my quetion to dumb people:
Bill Gates is worth >50 billion dollars, where does it say that he's contributed >1% of his wealth towards AMERICAN HOMELESNESS?
:roll:
- famine
- oppression and genocide in parts of the world that aren't "free"
- cancer (no one chooses cancer, like they choose being homeless)
- lack of free speech, where you can be jailed for 10 years simply for mocking someone.
- the fact that I'm now out of Coca-Cola
Do there need to be 5 for it to matter?
AIDS, malaria, TB, clean water, malnutrition, genocide
You still have not answered the question of your personal donations.
I agree with some of your points but most of them don't effect the general American population. Homelessness is found in many streets of America.
The point that most get (Gates included) is that there are bigger world issues than the fact a guy lives in a shelter in the US. The fact that you can't see that really confuses me.
Again, I agree with some of your points but most of them don't effect the general American population. Homelessness is found in many streets of America.
Try harder
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When you get older/more mature you start to look more at reasons and not at results. You are too focused on the end of a process. But what actually got you there?
It's the combination of events that leads to homelessness that are more important to fix than simply handing out money and shelters.
Understand the problem before you propose a solution.
exdeath
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Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: malG
Thank you
Quit trolling. It's obvious you just want to bash the US and no evidence will convince you otherwise. You're like a kid with his fingers stuck in his ears
I guess I need to repeat my quetion to dumb people:
Bill Gates is worth >50 billion dollars, where does it say that he's contributed >1% of his wealth towards AMERICAN HOMELESNESS?
:roll:
You're right, lets take away all of Bill Gates' money and give it to the other poor Americans:
$50,000,000,000 / 250,000,000 people = $200 per person
Congratulations, you just made one more poor person in America, while 250,000,000 people can now afford to buy 5 extra packs of cigarettes and 3 tanks of gas. Another $200 in and out the door that they will never even have noticed.
Why can you people not see by even a simple example that communism does not work, PERIOD.... ?
Giving people money doesn't work either. Anybody know somebody who won the lottery and now has nothing to show for it but a wrecked car that cost more than your house and a double wide? Hey at least the lot is paid for! Know anybody who gets thousands back for their income tax refund, and in less than a month its gone and they are back to living paycheck to paycheck again on the verge of being evicted even though they just had $5000 in their hands? Know anyone who you might consider poor, who suddenly comes across a decent chunk of money all at once, and the first thing that lights up their eyes is the first shiny new car they see, even though their beater still runs perfectly fine? Ever seen a brand new BMW on blocks in a trailer park because the owner can't afford new tires? I've seen it all, been there, done that, and got the T shirt.
That is what is wrong with America, and I blame mass media and the entertainment industry for glorifying bling bling and teaching people that if you don't have a Hummer, a BMW, and at least 3 65" plasma screens by the time you are 18 you are a poor. And even more so I blame the 'poor' people themselves who are captivated by it and believe it. Fvck TV. That Hummer you want? Guess what, if you didn't have premium cable, spend $50 a weekend at the theater, and have thousands of dollars in DVDs and CDs, you could be buying YOURSELF a Hummer and instead of paying your favorite celebrities bills while you go broke.
Fvcking idiots I swear. Keep watching your TV and drinking your koolaid like good little sheep. Actors, rappers, sports stars, and creditors are depending on you to pay their bills while they tell you how rich they are and how poor you are. Yeah thats right, those people you bitch are rich and greedy, guess what, they took YOUR money to get that way, and you gave it to them *willingly*. Fvcking idiots. Now stop trying to take MY hard earned and saved money to pay YOUR rent because I didn't spend $1000 on those football tickets like you did.
When did anybody mentioned: "lets take away all of Bill Gates' money"?
You guys are dumber than I thought
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Originally posted by: malG
When did anybody mentioned: "lets take away all of Bill Gates' money"?
You guys are dumber than I thought
I mentioned it, just now. Why not? Lets just cut to the chase of what this thread is all about and be done with it. If $1 billion can help then I'm sure $50 billion will help more than any insignificant voluntary donations he makes! If he only donates $1 billion and keeps the rest, thats $4 per American while Bill Gates still has $49 billion that could be used to help the poor! If we take it all, then every American gets $200 and they won't be poor anymore!
I'm merely addressing the fundamental flaw of wealth redistribution and forced contribution.
How convenient that you avoided addressing the entire point of that post.
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: flexy
hahahaha. I read that "standard of living" all the time. Its total BOLLOCKS.
Dont get me wrong, as someone who lived 7+ years in the states its NOT my intention to bash the usa. But..please define "standard of living" ?
As an example, and i can ONLY speak for Germany now:
* health care, health insurance, social security, unemployment security
NO WAY IN HELL the us comes even close there. We pay A LOT of taxes, i totally agree....but....we also get something BACK from the taxes we pay....in the US those go to IRAQ.
* Public Transportation
*Price of groceries
Germany is known to have VERY LOW priced grocery discounters. Thats one reason Walmart FAILED in Germany since they couldnt compete with the low margins here. (This was new to me too)
* CERTAIN internet infrastructure.
Most/Many people in Europe have a 16MB/1MB DSL line....i havent even SEEN speeds like that advertized ANYWHERE over in the US...be it comcast or whatever provider i had....
Give me examples please for "higher standard of living" in the us
Edit: Yes...i agree...my personal impression is that the MIDDLECLASS is big in the states..many people DO have average jobs, barely paying bills etc..etc. Not really "poor" tho. But then there ARE many really poor people since (as said) things like unemployment insurance etc. are as good as nonexistent.
And...i dont need to mention that very known term "working poor"...the many people who work hard 40+ hrs but STILL are poor because the jobs just pay **** and no H/Ins.
IIRC, Germany also has a much higher population density as a whole when compared to the U.S. Public transportation, network infrastructure, etc... are harder to implement when you've got states like Kansas where there's nothing but farmland for miles and miles. From what I remember when I was in Europe, you couldn't spit without hitting one of your neighbors...
Germany also enjoys a 9.2% unemployment rate. They were in the double-digits for a while.
That's unpossible! I thought the European countries were a "worker's paradise" :Q
The way they calculate it is different.
Originally posted by: malG
Again, I agree with some of your points but most of them don't effect the general American population. Homelessness is found in many streets of America.
Try harder
Stop trolling. People already answered you. The reason for apparent poorness in the streets of one of the richest countries in the world is wealth distribution. Check Gini coefficients for the US compared to other G8 countries and you'll find your answers.
For the same reason why there is a disproportionate amount of poor people in US, there is the highest number of billionaires.
Income distribution and corporate tax laws favor concentration of wealth instead of dispersion.
Now if you want we can have an educated discussion on the pros and cons of such policies.
In other words, the US system favours the rich. The working poor who mostly survive on pathetically low minimum wage make the rich richer. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
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Are you going to respond to my two posts above (which I have expanded) or are you going to conveniently ignore them?
Seems every time I post I either kill the thread in a final argument sort of way or the flame war just ignores what I have to say in favor of keeping the fight going longer.
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And the "working poor" here still typically get 3 square a day and a roof over their heads.
Do they live in a 3000 sq/ft brand new home, eat steak nightly, and sit down to watch premium cable shows on a 60" HDTV? No. But it's still a hell of a lot more luxury than just about any other countries "working poor".
Poor is relative. As has been beat ad nauseum in this thread...our "poor" live a hell of a lot nicer than many other place's "poor".
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Those are only minimum stats. I personally know of zero places, including fast food, that pays minimum wage. Most places are $1 or two over it.
What do you suggest, 16 yr olds with no work experience should make $30/hr the day they are legal to work? Nobody would need to finish highschool and get into college, we can all make $30/hr at McDonalds and drive Hummers and talk on our RAZRs all day.
You did not answer the question, what % make minimum wage? (hint: not a big number)
And by free healthcare and SS do you really mean my tax dollars returned to me from the gov't because they can better spend my money? Yeah, I'm kinda glad that we don't do that.
Well, I would say it's more correct to say US laws favor businesses over individuals. They do favor rich people over poor people when compared to other countries but, for example, not nearly as much as Swiss laws... and Switzerland still has a much lower Gini coefficient.
In the end, it' s much more complicated than this, and I get a feeling you are not really interesting in the amount of Economic Analysis you should do understand the complex phenomenon of wealth distribution.
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