It wouldn't be free. And with the profit margins/advertising we allow to prescription drug companies, UHC would practically be a blank check to those guys. It would be just as bad as social security. Another 10% of your paycheck taken away.
To those against free healthcare;
I don't understand, most of EU, AU and NZ have had free healthcare for centuries. I don't see any adverse effect, do you?
I don't understand, most of EU, AU and NZ have had free healthcare for centuries. I don't see any adverse effect, do you?
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Eating out, I can call in my order to the taqueria down the street so it'll be ready when I get there. Pay my $3.25 for a carne asada burrito and go...also, the cashier is super-hot. (Latin men :thumsup
Making it at home, I'd need about a quarter of a tomato, 1/8 head of lettuce, 1/4 cup of rice, handful of beans, 1/4 pound of flank steak, and 1 big tortilla. I could either eat the same meal 4 times a week so that I don't waste anything, buy everything canned and in tiny, expensive portions, or throw away a good portion of each ingredient...
You mean you don't cook up a big pot of something on Sunday and heat the leftovers in the microwave the rest of the week? You are wasteful.
You are dense.
There are tons of reasons people are poor. I listed many. Again, what part of "most people have their own self to blame" don't you understand? Why is it that immigrants can come here and become middle class in a generation? Why is it that some families have been here 3, 4, 5, or 6 generations and are still a bunch of ignorant lazy fvcks? Who knows. There's never been a person that worked hard and tried to better themselves that lived on the streets. There are a plethora of jobs available. Not everyone can have a 9-5 60k a year job. Someone has to work at McDonald's.
In Colombia, there are actual poor people. There IS a lack of jobs in Colombia. People there would kill for a job at McDonald's. Here, you have poor people thumbing their nose at such work.
Many people in the US whom are poor choose to be. That's an undeniable fact. Not all. Probably not even most. But many.
You don't know true poverty. True poverty exists in favelas and shantytowns across the Globe. That kind of poverty is simply not found in the US unless someone chooses to be that way -- again with certain exceptions.
Perhaps I am offending you because you are a lazy ass. If so, cut your hair and go get a job, hippy.
Originally posted by: chris7b
Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Cause Israelis are a bunch of Jews surrounded by hostile Arab countries? I think they can use all the extra help they can get.
Also, poor Americans aren't going to get any of the foreign aid funds so pointing out which countries get those funds has nothing to do with the main argument.
Also because they pretty much run the country
Even Israel has better social security system than USA. Thanks to American taxpayers :disgust:
I'd rather have subsidized healthcare than subsidized retirement (that I'll probably never see a cent out of, but that's another whole issue.)
As I see it, the problem with not having broadly-available healthcare/insurance ("free" or not) is that ethically you can't just let sick or injured people not have treatment if they need it and can't afford it. So we end up paying for healthcare for "uninsured" citizens anyway -- and because they don't get preventative care or see a doctor regularly, the overall costs end up a lot higher when something bad does happen. It's sort of like how most (all?) states require you to buy insurance to drive, since not having it is a huge cost to society if you get in an accident and hurt somebody (since you probably can't afford to pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical costs from a serious accident.)
My girlfriend has been without an employer-sponsored group health plan for almost a year now (she's going back to grad school, where she'll have coverage through the school once she's full-time.) It is brutally expensive to buy health insurance, even crappy insurance, on your own. Compared to what gets taken out of my paycheck each week, she's paying far more for a far worse plan (much higher copays, fewer things covered, etc.) Objectively, she's not a whole lot more expensive to an insurer than I am -- she just doesn't have the negotiating leverage of a big company that can bring in millions of dollars in revenue to an insurer each year. That system is just really, really messed up. It is absolutely ridiculous that she cannot purchase comparable health insurance, let alone for even close to the same premium.
As for some of the other points the OP keeps bringing up:
The federal minimum wage is horribly low right now relative to inflation over the last decade. However, a number of states have higher minimum wages, and so do some places on the county or city level (usually places with a higher-than-average cost of living). And as mentioned above, many jobs pay more than minimum wage (although I have no real figures on this kind of thing.)
Also, almost every state has some kind of tuition subsidy program for college education. In many cases this is implemented as a huge discount for in-state residents to attend a state university, rather than just giving students money to go anywhere. Substantial amounts of need-based financial aid are usually available to good students. Low-interest educational loans with very generous repayment terms are also widely available on the school, state, and/or federal level.
Obvious you're dumb, the UK, Germany and several other EU countries are several centuries old and Australia is over a century old.
:roll:
Ummmm.... that fact wasn't even being debated. You made the claim that other countries have had "free" health care for centuries, which has people wondering how you are going to back that statement up.
LOL you are even more dumb. No one argued that EU countries are several centuries old...he's referring to your idiotic statement of these countries having free healthcare for centuries.
By the way, people who get as upset as you are and proclaim some type of superiority complex usually do so out of a feeling of inferiority. The biggest "boasters" are usually the ones with the most to hide.
If you feel that your country is so great why make so much noise? Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
I do see an adverse effect from your public education though.
The Australian Federal Government has principal responsibility for public funding of the 37 public universities. Basically all the top universities in Australia are public universities, hence they're open to all. I went to my local university without a dollar in my name. Can a poor American enter Harvard or Princeton without any money?
Actually Germany is fairly new in the technical sense. It didn't really come into being until after the Franco-Prussian War.
I can't believe you left out France though, which has been around for centuries. Spain is also another biggy.
As another poster said, no one was arguing that there aren't century old countries in Europe. Instead they wre arguing that those countries have not had free healthcare for centuries.
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
I do see an adverse effect from your public education though.
The Australian Federal Government has principal responsibility for public funding of the 37 public universities. Basically all the top universities in Australia are public universities, hence they're open to all. I went to my local university without a dollar in my name. Can a poor American enter Harvard or Princeton without any money?
You are comparing apples to oranges. The top Australian Universities are no where in league with the top American Universities.
The Top 100 Global Universities
How many of those are Australian Universities?
Originally posted by: malG
Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
I do see an adverse effect from your public education though.
The Australian Federal Government has principal responsibility for public funding of the 37 public universities. Basically all the top universities in Australia are public universities, hence they're open to all. I went to my local university without a dollar in my name. Can a poor American enter Harvard or Princeton without any money?
A) You missed my point, not surprising considering the fact that you excel at reading comprehension
B) Not likely considering that Harvard and Princeton are both private universities. You can, however, get financial aid and scholarships.
You're dead wrong as usual. We had free healthcare in Australia for over a century. I know because my grandma was born in a public hospital in Perth. I'm dead sure the Europeans have had free healthcare for over a century too since Australia is a relatively new country and its laws and system is based on the UK model.
Too bad the low income Americans can't afford any of those universities. We Australian can go to any local universities, public or private.
O rly?
That would mean that Australia's free healthcare system is based on the UK's National Health Service.
One small problem. Notice that pesky little date in there. The National Health Service didn't come into being until 1948.
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