TurtleCrusher
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halik
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Originally posted by: mafia
Exactly.. you have no argument at all. Mac boy
Oh google says it's a game of some sort.
I think the point you're missing is that most people don't play games on their computers (laptops in particular) and some miniscule hardware differences are hardly the selling point. I would argue that you can't even tell the difference between 2.3 and 2.5ghz processor in a double blind test, much less to have it as *the* selling point for a laptop.
Hell I've got a geforce 8600 in this thing and I'd much rather have the video card from my old G5. I can't tell any difference between the two and this thing is loud as hell.
mafia
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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: mafia
Exactly.. you have no argument at all. Mac boy
Oh google says it's a game of some sort.
I think the point you're missing is that most people don't play games on their computers (laptops in particular) and some miniscule hardware differences are hardly the selling point. I would argue that you can't even tell the difference between 2.3 and 2.5ghz processor in a double blind test, much less to have it as *the* selling point for a laptop.
Hell I've got a geforce 8600 in this thing and I'd much rather have the video card from my old G5. I can't tell any difference between the two and this thing is loud as hell.
I have nothing to say. You worship Steve Jobs to much and the outside world has been censored. Just like the folks in iNorth iKorea
No offense, but a 24 inch Acer to a 24" Cinema display is not a valid comparison, at all. Dell doesn't really offer anything comparable either. Of course the Cinema Display is hampered with just a mini-displayport connector (it does basically have an AC adapter for Mac laptops built in though).
OEM upgrades are generally very expensive as well, and you can use the same stuff from Newegg to upgrade your Mac as you would a PC laptop.
That Sager is also probably 0.5" if not more, thicker, and probably 3+ pounds heavier. They're really not comparable.
I'm certainly no Mac fanboy, but you cannot get laptops that are similar in form factor with similar battery life, even at the same price as the Macs. This is changing thankfully (finally PC makers are realizing that laptops should have actual battery life beyond 2-3 hours and be actually portable).
little elvis
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Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: speg
Why so much hate?
the lack of freedom and the way apple deals with customers and such bothers me. OS X is meh, as far as im concerned (my brothers imac has given me no shortage of headache) and their products are pretty much overpriced. i just have absolutely zero desire to own anything made by apple.
i dont like microsoft, but i definitely have windows on a couple of things. i wouldnt even run OS X in a vm.
That's exactly how I feel, except I do like Microsoft. I'd take Linux every day of the week in preference to OSX.
After 12 years of using Linux, I decided that I didn't have the time to deal with BS surrounding Linux, the last straw was the absolute mess surrounding the Intel drivers and graphics subsystem....
Hands down OS X has been the most stable OS I've every used, and I don't regret at all the move I made to Apple.
halik
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Hah you're ~15 years old.
I use the best tool for the job and my productivity is the highest on OSX. It's got nothing to do with Steve Jobs or shiny things, the OSX just gets outta my way and I still get bash all open source ports. It's all of the upside of Linux, but w/o having to fuck around with everything before it works.
Oh and there's a native port of STATA
i use a mac pro at work. it is less than a year old and loaded to the max for specs.
its nice. it looks nice, works pretty good. but there's no way i'd pay 6k for it.
i'm far more productive on a windows machine, i'm a windows power user and osx is just too inefficient for me.
I like to use the keyboard for everything except surfing, gaming, and graphics editing. OSX isn't built for the power user, it's built for a mouser.
Windows 7 mops the floor with osx. Hell, i'd take vista over osx.
One thing apple DOES have going for them (aside from the cult followers who will defend their purchases until the death) is the nice hardware.
If i had a disposable income, I might consider a macbook. Of course, like every other developer who uses a mac, I'd install and use windows on it.
its nice. it looks nice, works pretty good. but there's no way i'd pay 6k for it.
i'm far more productive on a windows machine, i'm a windows power user and osx is just too inefficient for me.
I like to use the keyboard for everything except surfing, gaming, and graphics editing. OSX isn't built for the power user, it's built for a mouser.
Windows 7 mops the floor with osx. Hell, i'd take vista over osx.
One thing apple DOES have going for them (aside from the cult followers who will defend their purchases until the death) is the nice hardware.
If i had a disposable income, I might consider a macbook. Of course, like every other developer who uses a mac, I'd install and use windows on it.
JM Aggie08
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Meh, bought mine last year. The Unibody MacBook. Figured my desktop ran Windows, and I could just as easily install Ubuntu through BootCamp, and I have absolutely no complaints. Didn't mind droppin a little bit extra money on it considering I never treat myself. Alas, I still consider myself a "PC"
*edit* It also helps to be familiar with more than a single OS, as many of you should know.
*edit* It also helps to be familiar with more than a single OS, as many of you should know.
Firsttime
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For less then the price of a Macbook I have a laptop that runs all day and a desktop that can run any game and preform all the intense tasks I need. That's one reason right there why I don't like Macs.
I like knowing that if something in my laptop does go wrong, although it's been 2 1/2 years and no problems yet, I can fix it without having to send it away, save a motherboard failure. There's another one.
I personally have no need for any of the software Apple adds onto their OS for their insane price premium. There are freeware or super cheap options of pretty much everything out there.
So yeah, that's enough to keep me in the Windows/Linux realm. I don't have a built in hatred for Apple. I own a touch, it's cool, at the time it was the only flash based player that had the features I was after. If Apple ever become a practical solution to my computing needs this could change, but for the foreseeable future it isn't going too.
I like knowing that if something in my laptop does go wrong, although it's been 2 1/2 years and no problems yet, I can fix it without having to send it away, save a motherboard failure. There's another one.
I personally have no need for any of the software Apple adds onto their OS for their insane price premium. There are freeware or super cheap options of pretty much everything out there.
So yeah, that's enough to keep me in the Windows/Linux realm. I don't have a built in hatred for Apple. I own a touch, it's cool, at the time it was the only flash based player that had the features I was after. If Apple ever become a practical solution to my computing needs this could change, but for the foreseeable future it isn't going too.
mafia
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How so? Do you know how to count? My B-Day is in 91 so that makes me 17. I guess your too old to even count or know what true power is.
Sure OSX is more 'user friendly', but like the analogies we pointed out earlier, who buys a Porsche because its more practical? PCs are for people who have passion for computing and don't need any of that iCrap mumble jumbo stuff. lolDell 24" H-IPS Display
Yeah, Dell doesn't offer anything comparable, only something superior. Better specs, better connectivity, $300 cheaper.
halik
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Originally posted by: mafia
How so? Do you know how to count? My B-Day is in 91 so that makes me 17. I guess your too old to even count or know what true power is.
The statement about your age was prompted by what you said, rather than your user profie... and I was pretty spot on.
If you have a narrower set of needs, don't need to choose from a large scope of hardware and software, don't care for a plethora of customization options, and have money to spend, then by all means limiting yourself to solely a Mac will make it seem like it's the golden child of the computing world.
But for everyone else, it makes far more sense to go PC. The car comparisons are flawed. Macs are like one higher range premium brand (yes, you do pay for their profit to be higher than brands like Dell and Toshiba), say, Lexus, and PCs are like all other car companies. You get the spectrum of prices and performances to match. The only exclusive thing that makes a big difference to Apple's computers (barring hackintoshes) is the Mac OS. And again, that limits you. Which is fine, if you the pros/cons fit your needs and requirements. But expecting everyone to fit into the narrower, targeted group that is Apple's base is just stupid, and the "better than you" mentality that some Mac users (not all, and some Windows/PC users have this as well) is uncalled for. Use what works for you, and shut the hell up.
But for everyone else, it makes far more sense to go PC. The car comparisons are flawed. Macs are like one higher range premium brand (yes, you do pay for their profit to be higher than brands like Dell and Toshiba), say, Lexus, and PCs are like all other car companies. You get the spectrum of prices and performances to match. The only exclusive thing that makes a big difference to Apple's computers (barring hackintoshes) is the Mac OS. And again, that limits you. Which is fine, if you the pros/cons fit your needs and requirements. But expecting everyone to fit into the narrower, targeted group that is Apple's base is just stupid, and the "better than you" mentality that some Mac users (not all, and some Windows/PC users have this as well) is uncalled for. Use what works for you, and shut the hell up.
mafia
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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: mafia
How so? Do you know how to count? My B-Day is in 91 so that makes me 17. I guess your too old to even count or know what true power is.
The statement about your age was prompted by what you said, rather than your user profie... and I was pretty spot on.
You can't assume that everyone who plays games is 15 years old.
I doubt it has better image quality (the Mac has the same panel I believe, it is for sure a good IPS panel), specs don't mean anything, and the Mac is LED backlit (which can have a big impact on image quality on its own). This last part is why I say Dell doesn't offer anything comparable, you can get either LED backlit with a crappy panel or get a good panel with CCFL backlighting. It does have better connectivity (which I already pointed out). The Dell also has better adjustability, and depending on if you like glossy displays or not then it might be better in that respect as well.
The Dell can actually be had for right about $500 right now (less if you don't have to pay tax).
Personally, I'd rather take this than any similarly priced Macbook:
http://www.xoticpc.com/force-e...17a-w840di-p-2495.html
(I'd rather get the whitebook and add parts myself, but for price purposes I linked one builder)
http://www.xoticpc.com/force-e...17a-w840di-p-2495.html
(I'd rather get the whitebook and add parts myself, but for price purposes I linked one builder)
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