How can you not buy a macbook?

[BabaBooey]

because they are lame machines that fail more than obama and his public option...enjoy your crapbook and the many trips to the apple store for repairs.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Why? Because I couldn't live without my MacBook Pro!

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: funkymatt
get an x60s or an x200 if you're looking to spend money. lenovo still makes good laptops!

I have the x200, and it is BY FAR the best laptop I've ever had... very well built physically, and fast.

 

[oddyager]

I have a Thinkpad that's a couple of hundred cheaper and does exactly what I need it to do.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Hey dumb dumb, a Mac is not a Porsche. Just because they're priced as such doesn't mean it has the performance to back it up. If anything, you overpaid for a Civic with a freaking bodykit and maybe a fart can. But you're proud of it though.

Don't forget the cool racing stickers.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: loki8481
looking at the price tag makes walking away much easier.

This.

 

[Fingolfin269]

It's a computer not a lifestyle decision!

 

[Pliablemoose]

<----Just looked at my Apple stock value.

Yes, everyone needs an Apple MacBook, and an iPhone, and if you don't mind, pick up one of those shiny new iPods

:evil:

 

[TwiceOver]

They look nice, they Umm... They. hrm... Yeah. Ahh, they look nice.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: mafia

Sure OSX is more 'user friendly'...

I don't find it user friendly at all. I haven't spent much time on OSX, but I found it tedious, and feature poor in comparison to Windows and Linux.

+1

Windows management in OSX absolutely sucks, its hard to see whats open/running.

No wonder OSX users like virtual desktops!

I find Win7 way better for getting things done.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Illogical Mac hatred still going strong. What can you expect from a forum like this one? ATers aren't your typical Mac crowd. This is a group that knows a lot about hardware, builds their own machines, and is used to fucking around with Windows and Linux just to make them usable. It's like gearheads who are always tinkering with their vehicles -- the process is fun and the results can be rewarding. But the Mac doesn't really offer that experience, at least not in the same way.

I'm just shocked that there are so many who are unwilling to acknowledge the appeal of the Mac (beyond "OOH SHINY") and apparently have never used one, spent very little time with one, or did and wrote them off years ago. Of course these people will just compare spec sheets and shit on the Mac that costs a few hundred bucks more than the Dell that's "basically the same."

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Martin
I'm been looking for a laptop, so I went to Best Buy tonight. They had a shitload of regular laptops and all of them paled in comparison to the macbooks. Since all laptops have more or less the same innards, the fit, finish and packaging is what really set them apart. The windows laptops ranged from OK to gaudy, ugly and tacky and not a single one of them was as thin as the macbook. I'm typing this on a 5 year old T42 - its in a nice slim 1" package, why the hell is Apple seemingly the only one making thin laptops?

Anyway, if I can't find one on craigslist and save a few bucks, I'll probably go pick up the 13" macbook tomorrow.

I'm late to this thread, but this is the first thing I thought of when I read the OP:

http://www.memedepot.com/uploa...ot_sure_if_serious.jpg

 

[dabuddha]

I knew we had a shortage of mac vs pc threads.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

It's actually quite easy to NOT buy a Mac.

You compare the price of the PC and the Mac, then you compare the components of the PC and Mac, and the decision becomes quite clear: avoid Macs like the plague because they are severely overpriced PCs, unless you enjoy overpaying by a ton in order to be "cool".

:roll:

 

[ViviTheMage]

Yes, BB has some crappy/ugly laptops on display, but there are more laptops out there then what's put in front of you at BB.

I personally like Asus laptops, and Dells slimmer line, like the M1330.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: randay
god this shit again? didnt we just have that thread with that mactard claiming "spaces" was the single greatest OS feature of all time?

virtual desktops are god damn sweet, in my opinion, but i sure as hell dont need OS X to enjoy them. i find them particularly handy on a netbook.

Heh I'm sure apple marketed it as the single best feature ever, but in reality it was the only thing missing from osx up to 10.3. I'm used to having multiple virtual desktops (unix standard), so spaces finally brought that functionality to OSX.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
I'm just shocked that there are so many who are unwilling to acknowledge the appeal of the Mac (beyond "OOH SHINY") and apparently have never used one, spent very little time with one, or did and wrote them off years ago. Of course these people will just compare spec sheets and shit on the Mac that costs a few hundred bucks more than the Dell that's "basically the same."

What appeal beyond ooh shiny?

And then you assume people dogging macs havent used them? I WISH I didnt have to use them. Your post reeks of fanboism because it offers nothing to this debate.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: mafia

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: mafia
I have nothing to say. You worship Steve Jobs to much and the outside world has been censored. Just like the folks in iNorth iKorea

Hah you're ~15 years old.

I use the best tool for the job and my productivity is the highest on OSX. It's got nothing to do with Steve Jobs or shiny things, the OSX just gets outta my way and I still get bash all open source ports. It's all of the upside of Linux, but w/o having to fuck around with everything before it works.

How so? Do you know how to count? My B-Day is in 91 so that makes me 17. I guess your too old to even count or know what true power is. Sure OSX is more 'user friendly', but like the analogies we pointed out earlier, who buys a Porsche because its more practical? PCs are for people who have passion for computing and don't need any of that iCrap mumble jumbo stuff. lol

The statement about your age was prompted by what you said, rather than your user profie... and I was pretty spot on.

you run out of arguments so you pick on someone for their age?




....you do realize that all you did was point out that a kid knows more about computers than you do, right?

I'm pretty sure it was him running out of arguments that prompted this gloriously inept retort:

I have nothing to say. You worship Steve Jobs to much and the outside world has been censored. Just like the folks in iNorth iKorea

And I do have a CS degree and have a mac (hackintosh but whetver) as my main machine... *gasp*

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
What's the price premium for thinness and sleek styling in otherwise equally speced models these days?

Depends on what you're looking at.

For the Macbook Air vs. Dell Adamo, about $500 less for the Apple 2.13GHz. Oh wait, Dell Adamo's most expensive config doesn't even have a 2.13GHz C2D. So I guess it's not fair for PC's, even though the Adamo is probably the only one that comes as close to the MBA next to the even more prohibitively expensive Voodoo 13.

For the base Macbook ($999) vs. Dell's Inspiron 13 ($834), that's $165 more for the Apple. However, the 3-year extended warranty package for Dell is $260 while Apple's AppleCare is $249. And if you're a student, Apple gives discounts on both the Macbook ($949) AND AppleCare ($183). Oh wait, the Dell Inspiron doesn't have Nvidia graphics. To get that you have to bump yourself up to the XPS 13, which has a base config starting at $969 (when you add the bluetooth), but has a 2.0GHz processor instead of the 2.13.

For the record, this is the configuration for the Inspiron 13, which comes out to be $834 on September 15, 2009 at 10:05am EST:

Software & Services
Intel® Core? 2 Duo T8100 (2.1GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1
No Productivity software pre-installed
1Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty and Mail In Service
McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial
Glossy, widescreen 13.3" LCD (1280x800) w/ 2.0M pixel Camera
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 (2 Dimms)
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
8X Slot Load CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive)
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
Dell Wireless 1505 Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
Pacific Blue
My Accessories
Dell Online Backup 2GB for 1 year
WildTangent Games
No ISP requested
Also Includes
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 9.0
Intel Core 2 Duo Label
Windows Vista? Premium
Dell Remote Access, free basic service

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Hey dumb dumb, a Mac is not a Porsche. Just because they're priced as such doesn't mean it has the performance to back it up. If anything, you overpaid for a Civic with a freaking bodykit and maybe a fart can. But you're proud of it though.

Don't forget the cool racing stickers.

You're assuming that the clock on the processor or what kind of video card you have determines the "performance"... I would argue the benchmark is the productivity that you get out of it.

Top end 8 way xeon box with some 1000 dollar video card and Vista won't "perform" for me anywhere near as well my desktop machine (OSX on quad ~2.5). Hell vast majority of time, CPU usage hovers near idle... so day to day gain from faster hardware is negligible. I get much higher "performance" gain from being able to drop to shell and being able to run X11 apps.

I've got an SGI Fuel machine that I use for samba and general unix stuff and it's still perfectly usable with 600mhz mips cpu.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: lifeobry

So now we get to the MacBook.

It is $999. Spec-wise it is comparable to a $500 laptop. So what are we getting for the extra $500 spent? Can we do anything w/the macbook that the PC can't? No. Does it do anything particularly better than the PC? Not really. I mean when you're interneting, DVD-ing and stuff, there is not much room for improvement.

The argument that a Macbook has specs comparable to a $500 laptop is not really all that fair, because frankly it doesn't. A quick run on Newegg shows that there aren't any 13.3" laptops under $500 (the cheapest being an Atom powered MSI for $600), and we haven't even used other filters like a 2GHz+ processor or the Nvidia graphics.

Most people use the argument that since a $500 laptop does everything they need to do so spending $1000 on a Macbook that does everything they can do on a $500 is not a reasonable argument. With that logic, then one can also say every laptop beyond $500 is overpriced because they can do everything a $500 laptop can so why bother paying more?

 

[spaceman]

mac fit and finish is a joke unless u spr9ong 4 brushed aluminum..i dont even know if ti ameks a dif.
but the nilla macbooks/imacs ive had as many or more failiures w. vs. comparable pc basd
3 out of 15 i bought needed mb replacements
then there was/is the duck head issue on the macbook/ibook adpaters
oh and apples fuckin worthless airports..dropping shared printers all the time...and whats support tell me to do..toggle wireless chanelle when it happens or revert to older firmware

their mainstream shit is no better than anyone elses
the fucking mqacbook/ibook scratch like playskool unles u wanna spring 400 bucks for a fuckin burshed aluminum case

i dont hate them but in my epereince which is more extensive than u might think of old spacman macs are just as trounblsome w. pcs
as for legacy apps under intel based shit..good luck with that

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: spaceman
mac fit and finish is a joke unless u spr9ong 4 brushed aluminum..i dont even know if ti ameks a dif.
but the nilla macbooks/imacs ive had as many or more failiures w. vs. comparable pc basd
3 out of 15 i bought needed mb replacements
then there was/is the duck head issue on the macbook/ibook adpaters
oh and apples fuckin worthless airports..dropping shared printers all the time...and whats support tell me to do..toggle wireless chanelle when it happens or revert to older firmware

their mainstream shit is no better than anyone elses
the fucking mqacbook/ibook scratch like playskool unles u wanna spring 400 bucks for a fuckin burshed aluminum case

i dont hate them but in my epereince which is more extensive than u might think of old spacman macs are just as trounblsome w. pcs
as for legacy apps under intel based shit..good luck with that

You could've voted with your wallet and gone with another manufacturer instead. Why didn't you, after 15 machines?

 

[spaceman]

buy a mac if u want a filthy lookin laptop after a yr
and u better spring for applecare

 

[mrCide]

After being a PC @ home user for over a decade I made the switch. I'm not a power user / gamer like I used to be and I wanted a laptop as a desktop replacement for home, and to get rid of my gaudy desk. I bought the GF an iMac 24" last year and I really kind of like it and wanted to get to know OSX a little better so I looked into the MBP. After the price drop in June, the education discount, and the money back from selling the iPod Touch, it put the price around $2250 for a 17" MBP.

The specs, the size, the battery, the screen. Yeah, you're paying a premium, but that's okay. I priced out a similar Dell and it came to around $1900. The extra money is worth it for all the advantages the MBP 17" has.

As for OSX. It's wonderful. I've been a comfortable/annoyed Windows user for a long time. Once I started using Win7 I was stoked. Finally a decent OS from Microsoft. After getting to know OSX since I got my MBP it's just a deal breaker. I have my HTPC with Win7 on it which will stay, but OSX is just a much better OS for home use. Combine that with the awesome new glass touch-pad on the MBP and it's over. No comparison. I actually don't like using a mouse anymore (never thought I'd say that) unless I'm playing WoW.

Yeah it's a little expensive, but it's a solid machine with a solid OS and I'm glad I was able to make the change.