How can a peace loving Christian NOT support gun control?

[blackangst1]

And...*gasp*...unlicensed drivers kill people every day

Not nearly as many as licenensed. The exception makes the rule.

 

[Malak]

I urge you Christians to lay down your weapons. See what happens.

I have no weapons. Christianity isn't about violence in any way. That seems to be the reason for the original post.

 

[Malak]

If they are not needed in ANY circumstances in protecting yourself at home and non-lethal methods are good enough then maybe police should use these perfectly acceptable forms of non-lethal weapons as well? I suppose the military should as well.

There is no threat that a police officer will face that could also not occur in ones home or to a non-police officer in general.

The police do use non-lethal means, and there are also non-lethal military applications designed for defense. They are not so readily accepted by everyone because some people enjoy the idea of hurting someone. I don't.

 

[Malak]

If a criminal has a lethal way to attack you there is a very good chance that your non-lethal solution will leave you dead.

If I am armed, just what do you think will stop me from raping your wife and daughters? I'm looking for specifics.

And if I am dead, why will that matter? Would it have been better that I killed the intruder? I fail to see why. Do you think some people deserve to die more than others? Therein lies the fault, a need to inflict judgement as you see fit.

Guns have no place in Christianity.

 

[LunarRay]

I'm of the opinion that it is best no one harms anyone... I'm not so much into turn the other cheek either... I'm not that strong a person... I am strong enough, however, to adopt the last strike doctrine.... I can't keep you from trying but I'll do my best to break you of the habit! Seems to me the best way to approach life in the wilds... live and let live and value all life with the knowledge that this earth place is not the end place...

 

[sandorski]

Oh hop scotch... Religion is just a bunch of people doing what a bunch of people usually do... Some do good stuff and others do bad stuff...
One thing for sure, though... at least as far as I'm concerned, ya don't need Religion to accept God or Jesus or who ever or what ever is your fancy... You need faith!.. And when you do the view into religion of all types is quite interesting... History is filled with what religion propounds... Being baptized a Catholic and educated in their finest golden temples of study I often wondered why the folks in my parish were so poor and that church so filled with riches... made no sense... still don't.

Religion = Faith

You don't have one without the other.

 

[LunarRay]

Bet me... I believe Jesus Christ is My lord and savior... and I believe no religion represents his will. His kingdom is not of this world and I for one don't intend to try and make his kingdom this world...or this world his kingdom..


Us mouse pictured folks are cute, don't you think.. ?

 

[Malak]

Religion = Faith

You don't have one without the other.

Everyone has religion, everyone has faith.

 

[glenn1]

Am I supposed to believe that the OP is seriously worried about the spiritual health of Christians with respect to their position on firearms? Or that he's concerned about being shot in some gang fighting between Mennonites and Methodists?

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[sandorski]

Bet me... I believe Jesus Christ is My lord and savior... and I believe no religion represents his will. His kingdom is not of this world and I for one don't intend to try and make his kingdom this world...or this world his kingdom..


Us mouse pictured folks are cute, don't you think.. ?

wut?

That's pretty much what any Religious person would say of their Religion.

 

[LunarRay]

Am I supposed to believe that the OP is seriously worried about the spiritual health of Christians with respect to their position on firearms? Or that he's concerned about being shot in some gang fighting between Mennonites and Methodists?

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Ah... the humor... thanks for that... :+)

Here I was thinking back to the Mau Mau Chaplains v the Sand Street Angels and the Bishops... ah.. the days of Brooklyn and the peace abounding on every corner... Love is in the air and all that... Thank Goodness I came West where just the religious and the atheist fight.. hehehehheheheh Now I hear the Mennonites v Methodists... sounds sorta like a Gay ole time to me...

 

[LunarRay]

wut?

That's pretty much what any Religious person would say of their Religion.

Well, say as you wish... I have no religiousness, as I define it.. I have a heart filled with Christ... no room for much else..


"The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction. "Religion" is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system," but it is more socially defined than personal convictions, and it entails specific behaviors, respectively"

Sorta like the above... don't need any of the BS or loving companionship of fellow equally yoked folks... I'm fine with me by me self and my belief..

 

[Vic]

How can a peace loving Christian NOT support gun control?

Because it would take violent force to prevent people from owning guns.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The police do use non-lethal means, and there are also non-lethal military applications designed for defense. They are not so readily accepted by everyone because some people enjoy the idea of hurting someone. I don't.

Whats the non-lethal option to stop a T-72 tank from shooting the Humvee next to you? Whats the non-lethal method of stopping the Mig from dropping their bomb on the squad of American troops in the desert?

I bet your position on lethal force would change quickly if someone was hurting a family member of yours. Its easy to say you wouldn't hurt someone, but have them kill your wife. Then kill your mother. Then kill your father.. and you are sitting there with a gun in your hand as your child is about to die and you tell me you won't defend him with lethal force? Bullshit.

You are against lethal force in MOST cases.. but I bet not all. Everyone has a point where it becomes acceptable to kill. And stop with the BS of you don't 'enjoy' killing. NOBODY does unless they are mentally ill. Some people accept it as necessary to defend the life of themselves or others.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Well, say as you wish... I have no religiousness, as I define it.. I have a heart filled with Christ... no room for much else..

What if Christ brought down WTC7?

 

[LunarRay]

What if Christ brought down WTC7?

Not my problem... and as I said... his kingdom is not of this world nor is this world his kingdom... What Christ does is for him to decide and what I do is for me to decide.. eventually we'll meet and discuss the issues...

Why would he use thermate?... He'd snap his fingers and poof goes the building, I'd think. :+)

 

[sandorski]

Well, say as you wish... I have no religiousness, as I define it.. I have a heart filled with Christ... no room for much else..


"The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction. "Religion" is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system," but it is more socially defined than personal convictions, and it entails specific behaviors, respectively"

Sorta like the above... don't need any of the BS or loving companionship of fellow equally yoked folks... I'm fine with me by me self and my belief..

I realize is a popular sentiment amongst certain Christian factions, but come on man, get real. You don't get to define words on the fly.

Religion and Faith(Blind Faith) are the exact same thing.

 

[LunarRay]

I realize is a popular sentiment amongst certain Christian factions, but come on man, get real. You don't get to define words on the fly.

Religion and Faith(Blind Faith) are the exact same thing.

You define what you feel confident defining but when I define I'll use my words and meanings... I don't seek to convince since we've limited words to use... I'll simply state that Jesus to me and me to he are all there is. You term it as you wish.


And, I don't think your mouse picture is as cute as mine! :+)

 

[Malak]

Whats the non-lethal option to stop a T-72 tank from shooting the Humvee next to you? Whats the non-lethal method of stopping the Mig from dropping their bomb on the squad of American troops in the desert?

This isn't a question of whether a soldier believes in gun control, but if a Christian does. Your hypothetical scenarios are irrelevant.

I bet your position on lethal force would change quickly if someone was hurting a family member of yours. Its easy to say you wouldn't hurt someone, but have them kill your wife. Then kill your mother. Then kill your father.. and you are sitting there with a gun in your hand as your child is about to die and you tell me you won't defend him with lethal force?

Hypothetical scenarios don't change my standpoint. Nor do those scenarios have any relevance to the issue at all. Nor do they discredit the use of non-lethal means of protection.

These are typical arguements that stem from a need for people to justify their own beliefs.

 

[sandorski]

You define what you feel confident defining but when I define I'll use my words and meanings... I don't seek to convince since we've limited words to use... I'll simply state that Jesus to me and me to he are all there is. You term it as you wish.


And, I don't think your mouse picture is as cute as mine! :+)

I agree to disagree, especially about my Mouse. :twisted::twisted:

 

[SparkyJJO]

I'm a Christian and I support gun ownership.

Obviously, owning a gun for the purpose of going out and killing people is wrong and messed up. But there is the other side of it - self defense. When Jesus said "turn the other cheek" He didn't mean "don't defend your life or the life of your loved ones." Unfortunately it seems so many people seem to think that's how He meant it.

Plus, there is the hobby/fun side of it (target shooting, sporting clays, etc) and hunting.

Christians and guns are not mutually exclusive. Anyone who believes so is mistaken.

The evil is not in the thing. The evil is in the person using it.

 

[Vic]

Because it would take violent force to prevent people from owning guns.

There was once a day on these forums when there were posters here - sufficiently intelligent and independent in thought - to both understand this and argue this.

 

[Malak]

I'm a Christian and I support gun ownership.

Obviously, owning a gun for the purpose of going out and killing people is wrong and messed up. But there is the other side of it - self defense. When Jesus said "turn the other cheek" He didn't mean "don't defend your life or the life of your loved ones." Unfortunately it seems so many people seem to think that's how He meant it.

But guns are not designed to defend or protect you. They do not stop you from getting hurt in anyway. Guns are only designed to inflict damage. So you have chosen to utilize a means of hurting or even killing someone instead of more appropriate defenses that would not be so lethal. Not to mention avoiding the possibility of accidental death.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

This thread as strayed a bit off topic...

Can someone point to any specific Christian doctrine forbids any form of violence? Again, I state the OP original is based off a flawed one.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

But guns are not designed to defend or protect you. They do not stop you from getting hurt in anyway. Guns are only designed to inflict damage. So you have chosen to utilize a means of hurting or even killing someone instead of more appropriate defenses that would not be so lethal. Not to mention avoiding the possibility of accidental death.

What if killing someone was unavoidable?