How can a peace loving Christian NOT support gun control?

[JKing106]

1.) This is very much a troll post. Don't deny it OP.
2.) Ownership of a tool that can be used as a weapon does not a violent person make.

A Good person will not use their gun to hurt other people. There are reasons to own a gun besides "murder." Examples: Recreation, sport, protection (from bears.)

Should good people have their rights stripped away because bad people do bad things with these tools?

note: my post has nothing to do with religion, as I don't think there is any real relationship between guns and religion in the USA.

If you support disassembly of the constitution and deletion of the second amendment, then fuck you.

It's not a tool that can be used as weapon, it IS a fucking weapon, period.

What are you so afraid of?

 

[JKing106]

Worse things than violence and war? Like what?

Like two dudes getting married! That shit's gross, man!

 

[Adrenaline]

Like two dudes getting married! That shit's gross, man!

And out of the blue a random post that made me LOL.

 

[Nebor]

It's not a tool that can be used as weapon, it IS a fucking weapon, period.

What are you so afraid of?

Fucking space aliens. Children of the corn. The clown from the movie IT. What business is it of yours?

 

[Ausm]

Like two dudes getting married! That shit's gross, man!

Why should you care unless your the pivot man?
()

 

[BurnItDwn]

It's not a tool that can be used as weapon, it IS a fucking weapon, period.

What are you so afraid of?

I'm not really afraid of anything in particular.
I don't own a gun out of fear. I have one for fun.

I like to shoot. The adrenaline rush, the noise, the focusing/concentrating and overall challenge of shooting makes it a lot of fun.

I take it you're afraid of guns?

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Luke 22:35-38 says:

35 [Jesus] asked them [the eleven apostles], "When I sent you out without a purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
They said, "No, not a thing."
36 He said to them, "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. 37 For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’; and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled."
38 They [the disciples] said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"It is enough," he replied. (NRSV)

/thread

 

[Malak]

If you're a Christian fundamentalist and you take scripture to be literally interpreted, then owning a weapon is allowed (see Luke 22:36), but using that weapon against another (even in defense of self or others) is not (see the Sermon on the Mount). However, the threat of having the weapon as a deterrent is OK. In other words, having a gun in a holster on your hip would be a fine way to deter a criminal from messing with you, but if someone did attack you, you should not use it (or any weapon) to resist.

That scripture has been ripped completely out of context. It in no way condones the ownership of weapons for protection.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well I don't believe in any of the Religious Bullshit so I haven't any moral qualms about owning a gun if I so choose too.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Like two dudes getting married! That shit's gross, man!

Yet you have no problems with two women getting married??? hmmmm

 

[blackangst1]

Hello, im really curious how some Christians can actually support people owning guns. The 2 concepts seem so fundamentally opposed to each other since Christian thinking is very much opposed to violence (eg turn your other cheek), yet some American Christians argue so fervently in support of the right to own guns? When they speak of Jesus its all about love and compassion, yet when they speak of guns they turn into a completly different person?? How is this thinking reconciled in their minds?

Just curious cause i'm taken aback by how people i thought were very peaceful turn militant when they speak of gun control.

Your view on Christianity is wrong, so the premise of your argument also is. Its not all about Jesus in a field with children and lambs. And please dont confuse violence with anger. Very different things.

 

[blackangst1]

Well I don't believe in any of the Religious Bullshit so I haven't any moral qualms about owning a gun if I so choose too.

Then why the fuck would you post in a thread relating the two, other than being a flaming troll?

 

[Red Dawn]

Then why the fuck would you post in a thread relating the two, other than being a flaming troll?

Just pointing out you don't have to be a Believer to not have any moral qualms about it you Red Assed tosser.

 

[blackangst1]

Just pointing out you don't have to be a Believer to not have any moral qualms about it you Red Assed tosser.

Fair enough!

 

[Red Dawn]

Fair enough!

Thank you and I'm sorry about calling you a Red Assed Tosser. My emotions got the best of me

 

[OCGuy]

Why did this thread even get this many replies?

 

[shira]

I will throw something out there for you with having a no gun law:

You are married with a child (assume girl) and someone (a male) breaks into your house (breaks the law) with a gun (breaks the law) and rapes your daughter (breaks the law) right in front of you.

Do you pray for this person (you being a Christian as a good person not owning an illegal gun) or do you wish you had the means to actually protect your family (having a gun due to a legal process)?

Where, exactly, during the continuum of events from when the gun-toting criminal breaks into your home to when he commences raping your daughter do you get your gun?

Do you say, "Excuse me," as the assailant grabs your daughter and starts ripping off her clothes, whereupon he nods and you go to your secret hiding place, get your gun, and return to confront the rapist? Or do you hear glass breaking and somehow know that a rape is imminent, so you get your gun in preparation?

I know I'm being a little sarcastic here, and your post shows that this is not open and shut for you, but I'm VERY skeptical of all the claims of people "defending themselves" with handguns, despite what the NRA claims.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Are you surprised because it struck a cord with so many people, or because people replied to such an obvious troll?

 

[Double Trouble]

That scripture has been ripped completely out of context. It in no way condones the ownership of weapons for protection.

There are numerous references in the scriptures to weapons and using them for righteous purposes. I was just giving one single example. There are also references to defending others, and stopping injustice etc etc etc

 

[JKing106]

Where, exactly, during the continuum of events from when the gun-toting criminal breaks into your home to when he commences raping your daughter do you get your gun?

Do you say, "Excuse me," as the assailant grabs your daughter and starts ripping off her clothes, whereupon he nods and you go to your secret hiding place, get your gun, and return to confront the rapist? Or do you hear glass breaking and somehow know that a rape is imminent, so you get your gun in preparation?

I know I'm being a little sarcastic here, and your post shows that this is not open and shut for you, but I'm VERY skeptical of all the claims of people "defending themselves" with handguns, despite what the NRA claims.

They also don't report on the people who are killed with their own guns.

 

[Malak]

There are numerous references in the scriptures to weapons and using them for righteous purposes. I was just giving one single example. There are also references to defending others, and stopping injustice etc etc etc

Your single example was invalid. There are non-lethal means of protecting your home. Guns are unnecessary in any situation.

 

[Malak]

Your view on Christianity is wrong, so the premise of your argument also is. Its not all about Jesus in a field with children and lambs. And please dont confuse violence with anger. Very different things.

It's not ever about Jesus on a hill with Moses gunning down evil people either. Guns don't belong in Christianity.

 

[Nebor]

It's not ever about Jesus on a hill with Moses gunning down evil people either. Guns don't belong in Christianity.

I urge you Christians to lay down your weapons. See what happens.

 

[Double Trouble]

Your single example was invalid. There are non-lethal means of protecting your home. Guns are unnecessary in any situation.

Congratulations, that's your opinion, you're certainly entitled to it, even if I think you're wrong -- which I do.

 

[Adrenaline]

Where, exactly, during the continuum of events from when the gun-toting criminal breaks into your home to when he commences raping your daughter do you get your gun?

Do you say, "Excuse me," as the assailant grabs your daughter and starts ripping off her clothes, whereupon he nods and you go to your secret hiding place, get your gun, and return to confront the rapist? Or do you hear glass breaking and somehow know that a rape is imminent, so you get your gun in preparation?

I know I'm being a little sarcastic here, and your post shows that this is not open and shut for you, but I'm VERY skeptical of all the claims of people "defending themselves" with handguns, despite what the NRA claims.

If you own one gun you may as well own a couple. I work with a guy who has a gun within reach of where he is at all times anywhere in his house, even his toilet. I work with a few people like this actually.

If you hear glass breaking, an home alarm going off or screaming in your house, why would you leave your room without your gun in the first place? That would defeat the purpose of even having it.

The problem with people that feel guns should not be allowed to be had by citizens is ridiculous. Criminals will NOT follow the law, thus putting law-abiding citizens at a disadvantage.

Far more crimes are committed by people not following gun laws rather than people who actually follow gun laws.