How are we supposed to keep up with the prison population,

[TheSlamma]

I have an idea. Since death has no recall there is no justice for the innocent who was charged. So to mitigate this somewhat I suggest we hire TX as executioner, with the authority to convert the sentence to life imprisonment.

Why would I suggest this? Ahh, there is a catch. If it should turn out that an innocent person died then he dies a slow and exceedingly cruel and painful death. Since we've abandoned everything but bean counting as he'd have it, it would be perfectly fitting.

I wonder if he'd think twice?

Hey that is a pretty solid calculation

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Here are some statistics. If the death penalty is a deterrent, then how do you explain that in general, the states WITH the death penalty also have higher murder rates? Of the 10 states with the highest murder rates, only 1 doesn't have the death penalty. Of the 10 states with the lowest murder rates, the majority do NOT have the death penalty.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

It must simply be that Texans are more violent than the people in Vermont, Iowa, Minnesota, Massachusetts, Maine, and Hawaii. More than 3 times the murder rate in Texas than in some of these other states.

In 2012, the average murder rate of death penalty states was 4.7 murders per 100,000 people. For states without the death penalty, it was only 3.7 murders.

Texas, which is among the states with the highest murder rates, has a much higher execution rate than other states. Is it simply that Texans are naturally more violent? Or do they just make more dumb decisions? (anecdotal evidence joke omitted)

I think this is how it's going to be spun. Texas is more responsible in killing those who murder. It's just not trying hard enough and it's not about justice anyway. It's about money.

 

[z1ggy]

Lol, love how TH has no factual or statistical evidence to support any of his claims/opinions on this matter.

Just whining about liberals and being a ratard... So.. The usual.

 

[soulcougher73]

Errrrrr... You have the highest prison population in the world. (Followed (I think) by China which also has the death penalty)

I know. That is why I'm saying to start actually using the death penalty instead of assigning it with no meaning behind it. Time to off large masses of murders in prison.

 

[soulcougher73]

Nobody commits a crime having planned ahead what will happen after they're caught.

They would rethink doing it if it was the norm to be put to death

 

[TheSlamma]

I know. That is why I'm saying to start actually using the death penalty instead of assigning it with no meaning behind it. Time to off large masses of murders in prison.

If we did that how far would it take the numbers down in total. Would we drop below China's numbers of we did that?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Do you fail at basic math?

As per Don Vito Corleone there are only 244 people on death row.

If we send 244 people to the chamber, how many remain?

244 - 244 = 0

What we need are more people sentenced to death. That 244 is barely a drop in the bucket to the overall prison population.

Please don't quote me out of context, with the implication that I support the idiocy you are promoting in this thread. I don't.

 

[soulcougher73]

If we did that how far would it take the numbers down in total. Would we drop below China's numbers of we did that?

I dont know. i dont know the numbers. But its what i would do if i was in charge. I have no need for people who kill or murder to be kept alive at tax payer expense. I can think of lots of reforms to be made to our justice/prison systems on many levels other than just death penalty. But i was trying to stick to the topic and not wonder off into drug offenses etc.

 

[BoomerD]

We could just start doing "pre-conviction executions." That would not only save space in prison, but also would save the state a fuck-ton of money trying people for their crimes.

Let's expand the use of the death penalty while we're at it. Burglary, armed robbery, forcible rape, car theft, "habitual criminal activities" (3rd strike), re-posting on internet message boards...just a few of the common crimes that should be capital crimes...and eligible for the death penalty.

Oh...and we need to stop with this "painless execution" bullshit. Make it HURT!

 

[Sonikku]

Man if we just handled it like they did at the start of Pirates 3 we'd get through this in no time.

 

[bradly1101]

WWJD?

 

[sm625]

This issue has nothing to do with executions. Rest assured, if Texas was executing record numbers of people this year, instead of ten, we'd still have the same problem. (I believe Texas never executed more than 100 people a year) Expanding prison populations are due to outrageously absurd laws that are passed for god knows what reason, but never rescinded because too many people have their heads too buried in iCrap and Crapbook to give aCrap about the injustices of the world stacking up all around them.

 

[TheSlamma]

I dont know. i dont know the numbers. But its what i would do if i was in charge. I have no need for people who kill or murder to be kept alive at tax payer expense. I can think of lots of reforms to be made to our justice/prison systems on many levels other than just death penalty. But i was trying to stick to the topic and not wonder off into drug offenses etc.

I was referring to Death penalties to murderers not drug deals. My point is the number you are going to come up with won't save all the money and lower the amount you think it will

 

[desy]

Heres what Jesus would do
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/jesus-death-penalty/361649/2/
Cliff notes, he doesn't support CP and so shouldn't supposed 'Christians' posting in this thread

 

[WelshBloke]

Abortion providers would be a nice addition.

But that is unlikely.

It's just "selling crack to a pregnant woman" is pretty specific.
What about meth or heroin?
What about selling it to a child?

 

[bshole]

They would rethink doing it if it was the norm to be put to death

Yea and we should do it like they do it in the Middle East, bury those fuckers up to their waist and stone their asses to death. I also kind of like the idea of disemboweling, it has a noice touch. We need our government MORE medieval than every other government in the world. That'll show 'em all what feedom is truly about.

 

[TheSlamma]

It's just "selling crack to a pregnant woman" is pretty specific.
What about meth or heroin?
What about selling it to a child?

Seriously you don't know his answer to these?

 

[Texashiker]

It's just "selling crack to a pregnant woman" is pretty specific.
What about meth or heroin?
What about selling it to a child?

Heck yea, why not.

Lets just make sure they get a fair trial and humane treatment.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Lets do public caning as an alternative option to prison.

you get arrested for shoplifting, instead of spending a month behind bars wasting everybodies money, just cane them a couple times to teach a lesson.


Drug offenders, put them in hospital/medical treatment/rehab center, give them pyschological care. It is more expensive than prison, but, might actually help them to solve or at least learn to cope with their problems, prison is just school to learn how to be better criminal.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yea and we should do it like they do it in the Middle East, bury those fuckers up to their waist and stone their asses to death. I also kind of like the idea of disemboweling, it has a noice touch. We need our government MORE medieval than every other government in the world. That'll show 'em all what feedom is truly about.

Someone's a psycho. I'd put them down as humanly as possible.

 

[TheSlamma]

Lets do public caning as an alternative option to prison.

you get arrested for shoplifting, instead of spending a month behind bars wasting everybodies money, just cane them a couple times to teach a lesson.


Drug offenders, put them in hospital/medical treatment/rehab center, give them pyschological care. It is more expensive than prison, but, might actually help them to solve or at least learn to cope with their problems, prison is just school to learn how to be better criminal.

And undo all that hard work and 'money saving' Reagan did?

 

[BurnItDwn]

And undo all that hard work and 'money saving' Reagan did?

Well, undoing everything Reagan did would certainly be good for the country and the world at large.

 

[Dannar26]

You fail at math
Its cheaper to house a prisoner forever keeping your precious taxes lower than go through an execution which costs millions in legal fees for appeals making lawyers a lot richer.

You're right. The system is pretty inefficient. One round of pistol ammunition (any calibur should suffice) is much faster and cheaper.

 

[TheSlamma]

Well, undoing everything Reagan did would certainly be good for the country and the world at large.

Careful dude you know what happens when you talk bad about the messiah

 

[TheSlamma]

You're right. The system is pretty inefficient. One round of pistol ammunition (any calibur should suffice) is much faster and cheaper.

It's not the injection that makes it expensive Damn man read the mans post. It's the appeals portion. So you want to wipe out appeals? No chance for a purging witness a corrupt judge or a crap jury? Or bad evidence?