How are we supposed to keep up with the prison population,

[Orignal Earl]

A guy has got to start making a list of the things posters and ISIS have in common
Just read yesterday ISIS also agrees with waterboarding too

 

[artvscommerce]

Th- you keep saying the death penalty is expensive because of crybaby liberals. Can you point me to specific evidence that supports this claim or are you just going to keep moving the goal post every time some addresses one of your premises?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Along with a friendly seaman and that salty spray on his face.

ftfy :thumbsup:

 

[zinfamous]

We really, really, really, really need a Texashiker scroll.

 

[blankslate]

some things should be decriminalized....


However, there are too many profits to be made with to make that easy...


Just a weird example
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/decriminalizing-prostitution-linked-to-fewer-stds-and-rapes

When the Rhode Island legislature inadvertently decriminalized indoor prostitution in the state from 2003 to 2009, it proved beneficial to UCLA public policy professor Manisha Shah.

Shah and her co-author Scott Cunningham of Baylor University examined data from that period, becoming the first social scientists to evaluate the decriminalization of prostitution using a natural experiment.

During those seven years the state saw a large decrease in rapes and a large reduction in gonorrhea incidence for men and women, according to the new study by Shah, an assistant professor of public policy in the UCLA Luskin School of Public Affairs, and Cunningham. Their paper, “Decriminalizing Indoor Prostitution: Implications for Sexual Violence and Public Health,” was published recently in the Working Paper Series by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

“Everything about this experiment is unusual, so in a way, we didn't know what was more surprising — that a state could ‘accidentally’ legalize indoor prostitution, that no one would practically know about it for 23 years, that we would be successful at obtaining so many different sources of data to investigate it, or that we would find reductions in reported rape offenses and gonorrhea rates,” they said.

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[blankslate]

Executions do not reduce crime in any way whatsoever. They're just a form of entertainment for sociopaths.

Some people deserve to be executed... my main problem with the death penalty is that humans (for whom there aren't any reliable checks for bias or prejudice are available) are involved.

If ulterior motives and mistakes could be eliminated from the process, in that hypothetical "perfect world" I would not be opposed to a death penalty... as it is the risk of a person innocent of the crime they are being executed for being killed is too great.

It's too easy to find stories where a person was executed when there is some doubt as to whether they actually should have been executed.

plus the people on death row who are later exonerated by new testing.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Executions do not reduce crime in any way whatsoever. They're just a form of entertainment for sociopaths.

Actually they would if it was efficient and quick and on a mass scale.

 

[bshole]

Actually they would if it was efficient and quick and on a mass scale.

Um... executions performed quickly and efficiently on a MASS scale.... yep, thats EXACTLY what we want our government doing. Who gets to determine who the government exterminates?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Um... executions performed quickly and efficiently on a MASS scale.... yep, thats EXACTLY what we want our government doing. Who gets to determine who the government exterminates?

The Death Panels(tm) of course. They are completely inappropriate when it comes to healthcare, but they are quick and efficient and totally fool proof and accurate when it comes to death sentencing. Yep, I just single-handedly solved the crisis. :whiste:

 

[soulcougher73]

Um... executions performed quickly and efficiently on a MASS scale.... yep, thats EXACTLY what we want our government doing. Who gets to determine who the government exterminates?

The justice system we currently have. But instead of teasing people with death sentences that drag out for decades or never even happen at all. We just off them a year later after they are found guilty. That is plenty time for an actual innocent man to prove it if he somehow failed to in actual trial. If he cant..well..thats the price we pay..always a few collateral damages

 

[zanejohnson]

Texas is a prison state.


something like 1 in 7 adults are currently incarcerated.. whether it be actually imprisoned, on parale, or some sort of probation.... that is the real problem.

most are drug offenses...... (they took the wrong drugs, the black market drugs, not the state sponsored similar drugs)......it's big business.

the prison system is more of a punish the people who want to save money/can't afford big pharma drugs...it's not really, any sort of rehabilitation system..... that's the problem...but it's big business...... so it's not going to change.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

The justice system we currently have. But instead of teasing people with death sentences that drag out for decades or never even happen at all. We just off them a year later after they are found guilty. That is plenty time for an actual innocent man to prove it if he somehow failed to in actual trial. If he cant..well..thats the price we pay..always a few collateral damages

Except, we know full well how innocent people fail their trials. It usually involves them being too poor to afford a defense that can match the prosecution. What you're suggesting doesn't match reality. It's why people just shake their head at you and stop listening after a while.

 

[zanejohnson]

Except, we know full well how innocent people fail their trials. It usually involves them being too poor to afford a defense that can match the prosecution. What you're suggesting doesn't match reality. It's why people just shake their head at you and stop listening after a while.

yep. exactly.


people are ignorant about this entire subject, about incarceration in our country overall... in reality, it's terrifying, and right up there with the likes of Stalinist Russia, or Nazi Germany....

the one thing we are lacking is mass euthanization...and that's by design.... you wanna imprison the most people on the planet? but dont want to look like "that country?".....

take a play from America's book...... mass brainwashing through media, and don't mass "disappear people." and bang into there heads that this is the freeist country on the planet! teach it in schools, teach it in church! .........and stigmatize it..... "Daddys away on an oil rig, he can only talk on the phone for 3 mins, so everyone gather round when he calls!"

he gets off the oil rig in 2-20

 

[zanejohnson]

it's all about the bills....

look into the companies that produce prison apparel, prison accessories, prison gaurd apparel, and accessories..... huge multi-billion dollar operations...

all facilities run at max capacity as well..... the number of prisoners will never go down, even if we executed many more... gotta keep the beds full!

 

[Capt Caveman]

Dang, I guess TexasShrieker's tug job fell threw, and he wanted so badly to feel the spray on his face.

Threads like this show how stupid the OP is, which one can understand how he couldn't even get a tug boat job.

 

[brycejones]

If the OP really cared about reducing prison populations he would look to countries that have low recidivism rates for those they incarcerate and try to learn a few things.

 

[DrPizza]

Only because of the crybaby liberals.

If the OP really cared about reducing prison populations he would look to countries that have low recidivism rates for those they incarcerate and try to learn a few things.

Bingo. Oddly, they're against doing what those other countries do, because punishment has to take priority over any chance of rehabilitation.

 

[soulcougher73]

Bingo. Oddly, they're against doing what those other countries do, because punishment has to take priority over any chance of rehabilitation.

I'm ok with rehabilition when it comes to drugs etc. But not murder. IMO once you take a life (outside of defense of accident) you forfeit your own right to live. After a trial and all of course.

 

[piasabird]

Solyent Green. Now that was a weird movie.

 

[brycejones]

I'm ok with rehabilition when it comes to drugs etc. But not murder. IMO once you take a life (outside of defense of accident) you forfeit your own right to live. After a trial and all of course.

Most people aren't in prison for murder. I don't have the numbers to prove it handy but I would be willing to bet that reducing recidivism would also lead to a long term drop in the murder rate since I doubt most murderers are arrested for murder as their first crime.