How are voter laws racist?

[Atomic Playboy]

Please provide something to back this statement up. As a follow up question, why do minorities disproportionately not have picture ID?

Because minorities are disproportionately living in poverty and ID isn't free in lots of places? Also, as someone mentioned earlier, poor people are less likely to have supporting documentation required for ID, such as birth certificates or social security cards.

 

[HomerJS]

Please provide something to back this statement up. As a follow up question, why do minorities disproportionately not have picture ID?

And what's with the asterisks in everybody's posts?

Poorer people in the cities use public transportation and a lot of them don't have drivers licenses.

I would ask the question in reverse how does restricting early voting help fight voter fraud?

How does photo voter id help solve a problem that statistically doesn't exist??

Here is a member of the democratic party admitting the new laws they tried to pass were not to stop fraud but just to help Romney.

https://www.youtube.***/watch?v=CoYWgGY4ADY

 

[Oldgamer]

Just read that thread about the Daily Show guest, and while I find him to be undeniably "racist" I honestly dont see how voter ID laws and early voting laws only serve to hurt minorities.

I voted in 2012 (I will never vote again) and I didnt really do anything special, just drove to my local high school, showed the girl at the desk my ID and voted. How did that inhibit minorities from voting exactly?

Are you that blind/ignorant that you don't see the answer to your own question?

Now the GOP is targeting women. Open your eyes man... and stop playing dumb as to what is going on.

 

[boomerang]

Because minorities are disproportionately living in poverty and ID isn't free in lots of places? Also, as someone mentioned earlier, poor people are less likely to have supporting documentation required for ID, such as birth certificates or social security cards.

The moon is made of unobtanium.

Anyone can type words. Links please. Proof.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm fine if it keeps the illegals from voting. They should never be given that right or allowed to in the first place. That is the only thing i can ***e up with cause as a legal citizen getting an ID is not hard and should be required to vote.

 

[Matt1970]

We are solidly ideologically opposed. And some of your views certainly make me angry. But I don't think you're a bad person and I don't think your posts make P&N a worse place. I revel in discussion and conflict, some posters just make this place worse though. I'm sure I piss a lot of people off too. Sometimes that's intentional what with the whole I revel in conflict thing.

I bet our paths cross a lot more than you think. I am pro Clinton era tax rates. Pro Choice, pro gay marriage (well, I am actually against all marriage) and I am religious but think the bible has too many contradictions to be taken 100% seriously and anyone who says they heard god talk to them scare me. I want a government that can keep me relatively safe but not have to go through my underwear drawer to do.

 

[glenn1]

Uhmmm, there are groups that do just that.

How about people stand against stupid laws AND help people get IDs?

Meanwhile, if you actually cared about preventing voter fraud you would be ignoring voter ID laws and cracking down on absentee ballots hardcore. But you don't, so you won't.

It's not like the motives are hard to see in this case.

I have no problems with efforts to rein in absentee ballot fraud as well. All realistic options to improve election integrity should be pursued simultaneously. I'll even throw in rethinking and rationalizing the voting system as a whole. There's no reason why our elections can't run as smoothly and efficiently as Canada's. Hell, they routinely have nationwide poll results calculated within hours if not minutes of the polls closing and you never hear of a Gore vs. Bush Florida style election fiasco from up there.

 

[Zaap]

I've cited this many times before- here in the ultra-conservative state of California, city of LA, I've been required to show my ID every single time I've voted. That's quite a few elections in 20-some years.

I've never seen why there was particularly anything wrong with that- there's always some older person there who checks that you are who you say you are against a list they have for that voting prescient, and they check your name off of it. That way, my neighbor or anyone else can't ***e in and claim to be me (or me claim to be him) and vote multiple times.

I submit- any place that doesn't do it this way is inviting and accepting voter fraud, because it's a pretty obvious fail safe to know that only registered voting citizens are voting, and only voting once. Any place that doesn't have the same system, is accepting some level of fraud, and the politicians are either relying on that fraud, or are interested in fostering more of it.

boomerang has it exactly right- we know the Democrats want two things that will secure their power: throw the borders open wide and pay no attention to who ***es in, then remove all ID restrictions from voting and allow the 20-30 million more non-citizens that are expected to flood in to vote in overwhelming numbers for Democrats. Their goal is to take out Texas and Arizona in particular in this way.

Democrats can stop pretending- they are willing to toss out and corrupt the entire voting system in order to achieve the D-controlled fiefdom they dream of. They play the race card on auto-pilot anyway, but in this case, it serves two goals for them. Stir up racial tensions (which Dems thrive on) and grease the slopes for the bastardized/rigged voting system they strive for.

 

[OutHouse]

And what supporting documentation do they require to sign up for the free ID? Say a Birth Certificate for example? Any ideas on how many blacks born during say the 20's-60's into poverty throughout the south were born at home without any formal registrations done to actually get a birth certificate?

how many?

 

[HomerJS]

I've cited this many times before- here in the ultra-conservative state of California, city of LA, I've been required to show my ID every single time I've voted. That's quite a few elections in 20-some years.

I've never seen why there was particularly anything wrong with that- there's always some older person there who checks that you are who you say you are against a list they have for that voting prescient, and they check your name off of it. That way, my neighbor or anyone else can't ***e in and claim to be me (or me claim to be him) and vote multiple times.

I submit- any place that doesn't do it this way is inviting and accepting voter fraud, because it's a pretty obvious fail safe to know that only registered voting citizens are voting, and only voting once. Any place that doesn't have the same system, is accepting some level of fraud, and the politicians are either relying on that fraud, or are interested in fostering more of it.

boomerang has it exactly right- we know the Democrats want two things that will secure their power: throw the borders open wide and pay no attention to who ***es in, then remove all ID restrictions from voting and allow the 20-30 million more non-citizens that are expected to flood in to vote in overwhelming numbers for Democrats. Their goal is to take out Texas and Arizona in particular in this way.

Democrats can stop pretending- they are willing to toss out and corrupt the entire voting system in order to achieve the D-controlled fiefdom they dream of. They play the race card on auto-pilot anyway, but in this case, it serves two goals for them. Stir up racial tensions (which Dems thrive on) and grease the slopes for the bastardized/rigged voting system they strive for.

First of all widespread fraud doesn't exist.

How are you going to commit fraud if you have to sign a register and the worker compares it to your original? Worker covers up original until signed again.

There are more lost votes due to mishandling of ballots then voter fraud. Why aren't Republicans targeting this????????

 

[OutHouse]

according to a few people who have posted on this subject in other threads, voter fraud is fake and never an issue. however when proof that voter fraud does exist and that having a simple thing like a ID would eliminate it they scream racism.

I am a firm believer in showing your ID to vote. dont have one, get one, don't have a birth certificate if you were born here call the county you were born in and get one.


**edit, see post above for example.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The moon is made of unobtanium.

Anyone can type words. Links please. Proof.

Minorities more likely to be below poverty line: source

ID not free: source (for my state)

Minorities less likely to have IDs: There are a lot of different sources for this.

 

[thraashman]

I bet our paths cross a lot more than you think. I am pro Clinton era tax rates. Pro Choice, pro gay marriage (well, I am actually against all marriage) and I am religious but think the bible has too many contradictions to be taken 100% seriously and anyone who says they heard god talk to them scare me. I want a government that can keep me relatively safe but not have to go through my underwear drawer to do.

That doesn't surprise me, but honestly I mostly try to avoid posting in too many threads where I'm going to agree with everyone. What's the fun in that? I can agree with people in person, on the internet I want to fight! lol. (just kidding ... mostly)

 

[fskimospy]

according to a few people who have posted on this subject in other threads, voter fraud is fake and never an issue. however when proof that voter fraud does exist and that having a simple thing like a ID would eliminate it they scream racism.

You realize that you guys have been repeatedly asked for proof of voter fraud that voter ID laws would prevent, right?

 

[OutHouse]

Because minorities are disproportionately living in poverty and ID isn't free in lots of places? Also, as someone mentioned earlier, poor people are less likely to have supporting documentation required for ID, such as birth certificates or social security cards.

then they need to get said documents. its not hard or difficult if you were born in the US. and im pretty sure to get welfare or food stamps you have to have a SSN

 

[Zaap]

How are you going to commit fraud if you have to sign a register and the worker compares it to your original? Worker covers up original until signed again.

LOL. If you really can't see how this could be (and is) circumvented with no ties to the identity of anyone claiming to be someone, then you're a total chump for fraudsters. All I'd have to do is vote as my neighbor who I know isn't voting, or vote at multiple places across town so long as I know a few names of registered voters. I could claim to be anyone, and vote in as many places as I can physically get to. (In a city like LA, that's thousands without even much effort). With even a modestly organized effort could seriously rig an election.

Like I said, this great right-wing state of California requires an ID to vote (at least here in LA they do, otherwise there's no doubt this system would be completely rigged) so why aren't the Dems whining about all the supposed minority disenfranchisement here?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

according to a few people who have posted on this subject in other threads, voter fraud is fake and never an issue. however when proof that voter fraud does exist and that having a simple thing like a ID would eliminate it they scream racism.

I have yet to see anything that shows that there is widespread voter fraud which would be significantly impacted by implementing voter ID requirements. If there actually is a huge problem of voter fraud and it's the type of fraud that an ID would fix (not absentee ballots or problems with the voter rolls themselves, where most fraud occurs), then I'd be all in favor of mandatory IDs; I'd even be willing to pay for it. But everything I've seen suggests that this is an answer to a problem that, for all intents and purposes, does not actually exist.

 

[HomerJS]

LOL. If you really can't see how this could be (and is) circumvented with no ties to the identity of anyone claiming to be someone, then you're a total chump for fraudsters. All I'd have to do is vote as my neighbor who I know isn't voting, or vote at multiple places across town so long as I know a few names of registered voters. I could claim to be anyone, and vote in as many places as I can physically get to. (In a city like LA, that's thousands without even much effort). With even a modestly organized effort could seriously rig an election.

Like I said, this great right-wing state of California requires an ID to vote (at least here in LA they do, otherwise there's no doubt this system would be completely rigged) so why aren't the Dems whining about all the supposed minority disenfranchisement here?

How are you going to fake the signature of someone having not seen it?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Like I said, this great right-wing state of California requires an ID to vote (at least here in LA they do, otherwise there's no doubt this system would be completely rigged) so why aren't the Dems whining about all the supposed minority disenfranchisement here?

California doesn't require an ID; LA might. Most of the current crop of strict voter ID places aren't in any danger of voting Dem; Georgia, Kansas, Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana? These are not Democrat strongholds, even if the Democrats were able to undermine the system by getting millions of phony votes (which hasn't happened). Wisconsin is the only other state with strict photo ID laws, and, to be fair, they do have to worry about the impact of illegal immigrants rushing across the border to vote for candidates favorable to the sovereignty of the crown.

 

[fskimospy]

I know that voting didn't require an ID in California as recently as 2009. Did this change?

 

[Zaap]

How are you going to fake the signature of someone having not seen it?

Who says I haven't seen my neighbors signature? Or my co-workers? And you really think the geriatric at the polls is a handwriting expert?

 

[Zaap]

I know that voting didn't require an ID in California as recently as 2009. Did this change?

It was still required when I voted in LA since then.

 

[nageov3t]

I don't think voter fraud is a problem and I don't think ID laws are needed... but as long as the state provides free photo ID's to residents, I don't really see how they're discriminatory either.

I don't think liquor laws are discriminatory even though you've got to show ID to buy it.

 

[Phokus]

Just a reminder that Jim Cramer's dad almost lost his right to vote because of voter ID, but because his son is a rich former hedge fund manager and current CNBC television star, the Pennsylvania state government went out of their way to help him over that hurdle.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/how-jim-cramer-solved-his-dad-s-voter-id-mess-in-7-hours

The moral of the story? If you have a rich, white, famous relative, they might be able to restore your right to vote if they go to bat for you. So don't worry poor blac---- ohhhhhhhhhhh

 

[nageov3t]

Just a reminder that Jim Cramer's dad almost lost his right to vote because of voter ID, but because his son is a rich former hedge fund manager and current CNBC television star, the Pennsylvania state government went out of their way to help him over that hurdle.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/how-jim-cramer-solved-his-dad-s-voter-id-mess-in-7-hours

The moral of the story? If you have a rich, white, famous relative, they might be able to restore your right to vote if they go to bat for you. So don't worry poor blac---- ohhhhhhhhhhh

what does being white have to do with any of that?