How are voter laws racist?

[Matt1970]

That doesn't surprise me, but honestly I mostly try to avoid posting in too many threads where I'm going to agree with everyone. What's the fun in that? I can agree with people in person, on the internet I want to fight! lol. (just kidding ... mostly)

That's true. And you probably won't catch me going after my known party hacks as the left usually is doing a good enough job of that.

 

[Phokus]

what does being white have to do with any of that?

lol, you think race doesn't have anything to do with it, cute.

 

[nageov3t]

lol, you think race doesn't have anything to do with it, cute.

yeah, not really... I think it would have gone down exactly the same if the guy had a famous, rich black relative instead.

 

[Phokus]

yeah, not really... I think it would have gone down exactly the same if the guy had a famous, rich black relative instead.

Yeah, like the police treat white and blacks equally under equal circumstances. There's a reason why a huge part of Pennsylvania is known as "Pennsyltucky"

 

[nehalem256]

How are you going to fake the signature of someone having not seen it?

You "fake" the signature on the voter registration that you fill out and then "fake" the signature when you sign to vote?:hmm:

But hey if the honor system is so good why not use it for employment. If an employer ask the nice Mexican looking man if he is authorized to work in the US and he responds "Si", why shouldn't he be able to take the man at his word?

 

[nageov3t]

Yeah, like the police treat white and blacks equally under equal circumstances. There's a reason why a huge part of Pennsylvania is known as "Pennsyltucky"

Jim Cramer is from a suburb of Philadelphia, as opposed to "Pennsyltucky" which is regarded as the central and western part of the state (an extension of Appalachia).

I actually don't see any police involvement at all here... a PA DoT official contacted Cramer's publicist and got the issues resolved. I don't see how being black, wealthy, and famous instead would have factored into this at all.

 

[boomerang]

Minorities more likely to be below poverty line: source

ID not free: source (for my state)

Minorities less likely to have IDs: There are a lot of different sources for this.

Thanks. Below is a link to the SCOTUS ruling in June of this year regarding voter ID laws that Obama has decided he can ignore.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/08/obama-ignores-scotus-ruling-sues-state-over-voter-id-law/

Requiring a picture ID to vote is a decision to be made at the state level per the SCOTUS. If Oregon wants to punish their residents with a $44.50 fee for a picture ID that's something Oregon residents will have to deal with.

My suggestion to those opposed to voter ID laws would be to understand that it's the law of the land in those states that wish to have and enforce those laws.

 

[Phokus]

Jim Cramer is from a suburb of Philadelphia, as opposed to "Pennsyltucky" which is regarded as the central and western part of the state (an extension of Appalachia).

I actually don't see any police involvement at all here... a PA DoT official contacted Cramer's publicist and got the issues resolved. I don't see how being black, wealthy, and famous instead would have factored into this at all.

Being black is generally regarded as a negative when trying to get service done, no matter your economic status. I wouldn't say Philly or Pittsburgh are centers of racial harmony either, but relatively more so than outside of those areas.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Requiring a picture ID to vote is a decision to be made at the state level per the SCOTUS. If Oregon wants to punish their residents with a $44.50 fee for a picture ID that's something Oregon residents will have to deal with.

Oregon doesn't require ID to vote as all voting is done by mail. But I do agree that the fees for IDs are stupidly high and make even a basic ID a potential financial hardship for low income people.

 

[Lithium381]

It's pretty simple. They are laws that restrict rights without any evidence to support their necessity or efficacy. I mean how much more basic can you get than that? These laws disproportionately affect racial minorities.

Although in all fairness I think the principal motivation here is to suppress the votes of people they think will vote for Democrats, not specifically the votes of minorities. So yeah it's still incredibly shitty, but just in a different way.

like most gun laws. . . .

 

[xBiffx]

Being black is generally regarded as a negative when trying to get service done, no matter your economic status.

Yeah, everyone else is racist......sure thing.

 

[hal2kilo]

Or check out book at library or buy cigarettes/alcohol or enter a casino or enter Costco and so on.......

Never been id'd at a casino.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oregon doesn't require ID to vote as all voting is done by mail. But I do agree that the fees for IDs are stupidly high and make even a basic ID a potential financial hardship for low income people.

my point exactly, the state would need to issue free ID to every citizen and greatly expand the DMV or whatever group is going to issue these ID's. Seems like a pretty big expense and needless growth of the government that most of the people who propose such laws are against.
Any ID that requires any money equals a Poll Tax that has been established to be against the law.

 

[boomerang]

my point exactly, the state would need to issue free ID to every citizen and greatly expand the DMV or whatever group is going to issue these ID's. Seems like a pretty big expense and needless growth of the government that most of the people who propose such laws are against.
Any ID that requires any money equals a Poll Tax that has been established to be against the law.

I have to drive to vote because I live in an outlying semi-rural community. Does the gas I burn going back and forth and the wear and tear on my car constitute a poll tax because I'm thinking maybe they do. I've already paid for my photo ID that is required, so I've already paid that poll tax. I'm white so is it OK for whitey to pay poll tax but not black folks? This answer is important because I'm thinking a whole lot of us may have a huge case.

 

[Jhhnn]

That response doesn't make any sense. Why can't you guys just use empirical evidence to identify a problem and propose a solution that you think will solve that problem? From there it should be easy to justify how it is okay to enact a law that will prevent some legal people from voting.

Why? Because their thinking & conclusions are faith based.

They believe that the reason they don't win more often is because of illegal voting, despite having no evidence to back up that claim.

They believe it's easy for anybody to get ID when that's not necessarily true at all. They don't realize that birth certs aren't free, nor are marriage & divorce records dating back decades. They don't realize that lapsed ID often means a person has to start over from scratch.

They believe it's not possible for people to function w/o valid ID, even though it obviously happens all the time.

Most of all, however, they believe what this guy says to be true, and are willing to endorse any behavior that enhances their team's position-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

It's the new Jim Crow, accomplishing the same ends via different means, that's all, means with a little thicker veneer of respectability. It's not overtly racist, but that's just one component of disenfranchisement attempts aimed at voter blocks who aren't them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have to drive to vote because I live in an outlying semi-rural community. Does the gas I burn going back and forth and the wear and tear on my car constitute a poll tax because I'm thinking maybe they do. I've already paid for my photo ID that is required, so I've already paid that poll tax. I'm white so is it OK for whitey to pay poll tax but not black folks? This answer is important because I'm thinking a whole lot of us may have a huge case.

if you can't afford the gas then you can mail your vote in, once again it is a fact that poll taxes are illegal.

 

[cuafpr]

The ACA itself does not provide coverage. The coverage comes from a private entity and IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHT!

most rights still have some limits, try yelling bomb on a air plane, or fire in a movie theater, or buying a fully automatic rifle of military grade and see the loopholes you go through.. or any other limitation on rights. This stops no one from voting that puts forth an ounce of effort.

 

[Bird222]

Also keep in mind this isn't just about having photo id. Some states want college students to only be able to vote at home and not where their college is. Also cutting early voting short. Explain how that stops voter fraud. It's all an effort to suppress voters that tend to vote democratic.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Also keep in mind this isn't just about having photo id. Some states want college students to only be able to vote at home and not where their college is. Also cutting early voting short. Explain how that stops voter fraud. It's all an effort to suppress voters that tend to vote democratic.

I know I love this one....even though my mailing address is here I have to vote at my previous address.

 

[piasabird]

It is racist when the opposing party gets to set the rules.

 

[cuafpr]

I know I love this one....even though my mailing address is here I have to vote at my previous address.

vote in the state that you are resident of, I really don't see the big deal.

 

[shira]

Except that every state which requires an ID to vote will gladly provide one free of charge to any person unable to procure one through traditional methods. Disenfranchisement not found.

You can argue all day long about how "easy" it is to get an ID. But the fact remains that the effect of these laws is to disproportionately inhibit voting by minorities, who disproportionately just happen to be Democrats. Everyone knows this.

So, gee, isn't it mysterious that the legislatures of virtually every state that's passed voter ID laws has been controlled by Republicans? What an amazing coincidence.

 

[cubby1223]

Also keep in mind this isn't just about having photo id. Some states want college students to only be able to vote at home and not where their college is. Also cutting early voting short. Explain how that stops voter fraud. It's all an effort to suppress voters that tend to vote democratic.

I can understand if locals want elections and local government to serve the people who are permanent residents of the area, rather than weighted by a large population of temporary students who will have moved away in a few years time.

When it comes to college students, if you're talking about state-wide elections it all evens out anyways, for every college student that has come to a state, there is a college student who has gone out of a state. Instead of being a Democratic vote in your temporary college town, you are a Democratic vote in your former permanent residence. A Democratic vote is a Democratic vote.

The way progressives, and even you, tend to portray things is as if half the population of the U.S. has this deep resentment towards "the other side", which I just don't believe is true, thus I tend to believe alternate possibilities more than the "I want the other side suppressed" theory.

Many progressives do hold the belief that conservatism is primarily about racial oppression, thus they naturally believe these reasonings to be true.

 

[compuwiz1]

If you can't pass e-verify, you can't vote. That includes Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama. Seriously, all people need to do is give their social security number. If it doesn't pass, no vote! Forget ID.

Literacy tests should also be given to be sure that people can actually read a ballot. That would help a lot. Low information voters are a problem, but no information voters are even more destructive. Somehow I feel Mr. Magoo drove the last election.

 

[cubby1223]

Just read that thread about the Daily Show guest, and while I find him to be undeniably "racist" I honestly dont see how voter ID laws and early voting laws only serve to hurt minorities.

I voted in 2012 (I will never vote again) and I didnt really do anything special, just drove to my local high school, showed the girl at the desk my ID and voted. How did that inhibit minorities from voting exactly?

The bottom line is, the law by itself is not racist.

The question is, will there be individuals who will go out of their way to use this as grounds to specifically make it more difficult for minorities to obtain IDs?

I'd like to see a group of minorities take this and make it more difficult for some white people to obtain IDs.

But progressives sit here with this belief that in this country white people hold the power and minorities must rely on the kindness and fairness of white people to get by (whom cannot be trusted, although with what happened in the South in years past there is good reason to not trust). I'd like to see us move beyond this school of thought, but I gotta say I don't see it happening any time soon. Certainly not while it is a major selling point to attract votes to one party over the other.