How are voter laws racist?

[Fanatical Meat]

I find it odd that people and leaders can be so pissed off at this supposedly enormous voter fraud that's happening but they have no concern at all that generally fewer than half of registered voters actually vote and generally show no concern over the completely enormous amounts of money coming from organizations. I know it's only a matter of time until we see some rich Chinese guy start pumping money into canidates to buy favors. Personally I find that more dangerous than somebody casting 5 ballots.

 

[Svnla]

Many people don't have bank accounts, particularly the impoverished. The EBT card is just a racist stereotype you conjured, and the last three things don't require an ID.

Not my fault if idiots got excessive charges from the banks due to insufficient fund and got blacklisted on Chex system. EBT is racist stereotype? Like no white or other races are using them? :whiste:

No need for ID for a job or rent an apt? I guess you are right if you apply for a job as janitor at McDonald or rent a place in da ghetto, dawg.

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses.

 

[boomerang]

Many people don't have bank accounts, particularly the impoverished. The EBT card is just a racist stereotype you conjured, and the last three things don't require an ID.

If you stop now, it won't get worse.

 

[Matt1970]

Many people don't have bank accounts, particularly the impoverished. The EBT card is just a racist stereotype you conjured, and the last three things don't require an ID.

You need an ID to get a job. You never filled out an I-9 form?

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You need an ID to get a job. You never filled out an I-9 form?

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf

Did you actually read the list of acceptable documentation to verify identity? You might want to. Hint. You're looking for the ones that aren't government issued photo ID. Bonus if you can spot the ones that aren't photo IDs at all.

 

[Matt1970]

Did you actually read the list of acceptable documentation to verify identity? You might want to. Hint. You're looking for the ones that aren't government issued photo ID. Bonus if you can spot the ones that aren't photo IDs at all.

He didn't mention Photo ID, but BTW, Yes I did. You need 1 form list A which is all basically passports, which happen to be photo IDs or one from list B and C. The only one from list B that isn't a photo ID is a Voter Registration Card, which you need a photo ID to obtain. Living 2 miles from the Onondaga Nation I have seen plenty of Native American Tribal Documents and they all have a photo ID. So yes, you need a photo ID to get a job.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

He didn't mention Photo ID, but BTW, Yes I did. You need 1 form list A which is all basically passports, which happen to be photo IDs or one from list B and C. The only one from list B that isn't a photo ID is a Voter Registration Card, which you need a photo ID to obtain. Living 2 miles from the Onondaga Nation I have seen plenty of Native American Tribal Documents and they all have a photo ID. So yes, you need a photo ID to get a job.

Yeah you can even use a school ID card with photo to get a job. Still not able to use it to vote though in the states that have been enacting photo ID laws. Notice you left that off your list above.

 

[Bowfinger]

Obviously, you never work at a casino. I am sure over 30s don't need ID to check out book or enter Costco/Sams Club, right? :whiste:

Not if you don't go to casinos and don't shop at club stores.

Let see, do need ID to open a bank account, darn racist bankers, LOL.

But not if you already have a bank account.

And ID to get EBT card, darn racist guvernment.

Assuming that's true, not if you don't have an EBT card. (You've provided no evidence that the only way to get an EBT card is with a current, state-issued photo ID, but I have no idea what their rules are.)

And ID to apply for any job, darn racist employers.

But not if you already have a job, or are retired, or are a student who's not applying for jobs.

And ID to rent an apartment, darn racist landlord.

But not if you already have a home, or live with someone else who is renting in his or her name.

And so on, darn racist <fill in the blank>.

But not if your "And so on" doesn't apply to your personal situation. You are not the center of the universe. Your (likely) vanilla, middle class, suburban life experiences do not begin to cover the full diversity of Americans' personal situations. Whether you can conceive of if or not, the FACT is that millions of Americans do just fine in life without the current, state-issued, photo IDs required by most of these voter suppression laws.

 

[Svnla]

Not if you don't go to casinos and don't shop at club stores.


But not if you already have a bank account.


Assuming that's true, not if you don't have an EBT card. (You've provided no evidence that the only way to get an EBT card is with a current, state-issued photo ID, but I have no idea what their rules are.)


But not if you already have a job, or are retired, or are a student who's not applying for jobs.


But not if you already have a home, or live with someone else who is renting in his or her name.


But not if your "And so on" doesn't apply to your personal situation. You are not the center of the universe. Your (likely) vanilla, middle class, suburban life experiences do not begin to cover the full diversity of Americans' personal situations. Whether you can conceive of if or not, the FACT is that millions of Americans do just fine in life without the current, state-issued, photo IDs required by most of these voter suppression laws.

Are you for real? I am not sure if you guys just throw shit out just for the sake of arguing or not.

And how do you get to the "already have a bank account" without ID in the first place?

Same question to the "already have a job" and "already have a house".

I was about to say how about ID to check out books at the library or buy software/books at your college book store but you (guys) will just say "but...but..but...not if you do not need books cuz Google is da zhitz yo", right? :whiste: Or "but not if you will just live in the wood or the basement so no need for ID at all"...and so on and so on.

Goodness. If you are going to shoot down my points, you guys need to do better than that..much better.

 

[Jhhnn]

Are you for real? I am not sure if you guys just throw shit out just for the sake of arguing or not.

And how do you get to the "already have a bank account" without ID in the first place?

Same question to the "already have a job" and "already have a house".

I was about to say how about ID to check out books at the library or buy software/books at your college book store but you (guys) will just say "but...but..but...not if you do not need books cuz Google is da zhitz yo", right? :whiste: Or "but not if you will just live in the wood or the basement so no need for ID at all"...and so on and so on.

Goodness. If you are going to shoot down my points, you guys need to do better than that..much better.

Desperate, huh?

Things change, and sometimes they don't. Seniors, for example, can easily lack valid photo ID, through the processes of loss & expiration. Their SS checks are still direct deposit, the landlord knows who they are, and their credit/debit cards still work. Many don't drive any more, and their family helps out when needed. They've voted in the same precinct for decades, and are known by name by election judges.

The notion that one really needs ID to get a job is also erroneous, quite obviously. I-9 forms are really completed at the discretion of the person doing the hiring, and are never filed with the govt, at all. If that person so chooses, they can accept whatever info the applicant offers as fact & nobody will ever be the wiser. It's not like the govt runs sting operations to catch managers who do.

 

[Matt1970]

Let see, do need ID to open a bank account, darn racist bankers, LOL.

But not if you already have a bank account.

And ID to apply for any job, darn racist employers.

But not if you already have a job, or are retired, or are a student who's not applying for jobs.

And ID to rent an apartment, darn racist landlord.


But not if you already have a home, or live with someone else who is renting in his or her name.
.

Is this your first attempt at sarcasm?

 

[Bowfinger]

Is this your first attempt at sarcasm?

No, it's called truth. I understand that this may be a foreign concept, however.

 

[khon]

There are probably some voter ID supporters that are racist, but that's not the main reason why these laws exist. They exist to help Republicans win elections.

 

[Bowfinger]

Are you for real? I am not sure if you guys just throw shit out just for the sake of arguing or not.

And how do you get to the "already have a bank account" without ID in the first place?

Same question to the "already have a job" and "already have a house".

I was about to say how about ID to check out books at the library or buy software/books at your college book store but you (guys) will just say "but...but..but...not if you do not need books cuz Google is da zhitz yo", right? :whiste: Or "but not if you will just live in the wood or the basement so no need for ID at all"...and so on and so on.

Goodness. If you are going to shoot down my points, you guys need to do better than that..much better.

No, we really don't. You, your lack of world experience, and your lack of empathy for others with different lifestyles is the real problem here. Because you cannot imagine you personally falling into those circumstances, you arrogantly insist nobody else does either. You are simply wrong.

For example, both my mother and my mother-in-law are elderly and disabled. Neither drives; both let their DLs expire years ago. They do not have the current, state-issued, photo IDs demanded by many of these RNC voter suppression laws. Both meet all of the criteria I listed, They don't shop in club stores, they don't go to casinos, they have existing bank accounts (my mother's was opened in 1966, I know), neither has applied for a job in a decade or more, and neither is shopping for a new home.

They are not at all alone. There are many other circumstances where otherwise eligible voters get along just fine in their lives without current, state-issued, photo IDs. Examples include spouses who stay home with their kids, some members of multi-generational families living in the same household, students who find their student IDs suffice for everything they need, all sorts of people with disabilities who rely on a care-giver, etc. The fact that you do not fall into any of these categories personally is irrelevant.

 

[Svnla]

Desperate, huh?

Things change, and sometimes they don't. Seniors, for example, can easily lack valid photo ID, through the processes of loss & expiration. Their SS checks are still direct deposit, the landlord knows who they are, and their credit/debit cards still work. Many don't drive any more, and their family helps out when needed. They've voted in the same precinct for decades, and are known by name by election judges.

The notion that one really needs ID to get a job is also erroneous, quite obviously. I-9 forms are really completed at the discretion of the person doing the hiring, and are never filed with the govt, at all. If that person so chooses, they can accept whatever info the applicant offers as fact & nobody will ever be the wiser. It's not like the govt runs sting operations to catch managers who do.

I was not the one that throw everything under the ridiculous category to support my argument.

Oh, and how those SS checks being direct deposit at the banks without bank accounts that were opened with IDs? Maybe years and years ago but not now with the Patriot Act.

Note that I never say ID law was all that. My point was and still is that you need ID to live in a normal life in the 21st century. I know, I know...but you don't need that if you need like a hobo/Amish, right?

 

[Bowfinger]

Desperate, huh?

Things change, and sometimes they don't. Seniors, for example, can easily lack valid photo ID, through the processes of loss & expiration. Their SS checks are still direct deposit, the landlord knows who they are, and their credit/debit cards still work. Many don't drive any more, and their family helps out when needed. They've voted in the same precinct for decades, and are known by name by election judges.

The notion that one really needs ID to get a job is also erroneous, quite obviously. I-9 forms are really completed at the discretion of the person doing the hiring, and are never filed with the govt, at all. If that person so chooses, they can accept whatever info the applicant offers as fact & nobody will ever be the wiser. It's not like the govt runs sting operations to catch managers who do.

Exactly so.

 

[Bowfinger]

I was not the one that throw everything under the ridiculous category to support my argument.

Yes, exactly. That is your problem. You dismiss anyone who doesn't mirror your particular life experiences as "ridiculous". Your vanilla life does not match everyone.

Oh, and how those SS checks being direct deposit at the banks without bank accounts that were opened with IDs? Maybe years and years ago but not now with the Patriot Act.

I'm betting you're pretty young. The Patriot [sic] Act is only 12 years old. The majority of Americans reached adulthood before then, had bank accounts before then, etc.

Note that I never say ID law was all that. My point was and still is that you need ID to live in a normal life in the 21st century. I know, I know...but you don't need that if you need like a hobo/Amish, right?

No, you are wrong. One does not need a current, state-issued, photo ID to live a "normal" life in the 21st century, nor does one have to live like a hobo/Amish without such IDs.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I was not the one that throw everything under the ridiculous category to support my argument.

Oh, and how those SS checks being direct deposit at the banks without bank accounts that were opened with IDs? Maybe years and years ago but not now with the Patriot Act.

Note that I never say ID law was all that. My point was and still is that you need ID to live in a normal life in the 21st century. I know, I know...but you don't need that if you need like a hobo/Amish, right?

No the point is millions of people live quite well without the ID's that would qualify for voter ID laws. You talk about a 12 year old Act and apply it to people born 65 years ago. They have had bank accounts for decades.

 

[Svnla]

Here is one more, how do you fly on airplanes without ID? Oh, no need for that, just walk or ride a donkey/Pony Express (people did that for years ago), ID is for chumps, right?

<tonge in cheek>

 

[Moonbeam]

Here is one more, how do you fly on airplanes without ID? Oh, no need for that, just walk or ride a donkey/Pony Express (people did that for years ago), ID is for chumps, right?

<tonge in cheek>

From your sig I would judge you to be a rather cold hard person who is emotionally maladjusted with little tenderness to give. I think your political ideas are a reflection of that. Perhaps you are from a macho prone culture that views male tenderness as weakness. If so, the trouble with that style of thinking is that you will have no room in your heart even for yourself. Often that sort of thing happens when one has to suffer deeply, alone and without any help. If one can make it through that sometimes it leaves a person not caring about anybody. Maybe you can help some unfortunate folk who want to vote but don't have IDs to get them.

 

[Matt1970]

No, it's called truth. I understand that this may be a foreign concept, however.

I was hoping for your sake you were being sarcastic. Only a fool would post such nonsense.

 

[umbrella39]

I love threads like this... it allows our most disgusting modern ayanonymous racist pieces of shit that still breathe air to bravely spew their inane E- diatribes from the safety of their mommies basements. One day the masks will be pried off... only wish I am there that day...

 

[umbrella39]

LOL at the racist...."Barry Soetoro" indeed.

Do you even comprehend that eliminating low information voters would eliminate yourself from being able to vote?

She is really vying for queen of the retarded conservative prom ain't she..

 

[Moonbeam]

I was hoping for your sake you were being sarcastic. Only a fool would post such nonsense.

I think that if you go have your brain scanned you will find you have an enlarged right amygdala and that this is the part of the brain which controls those characteristics of personality and thinking you so typify, a near total inability to engage in a rational discussion.

You can think of it as extra muscle in your already over-muscled head that you continue to exercise and strengthen by banging it on a brick wall via constantly opening your overcoat to your brain damaged nakedness within. I bet if you went fishing for a few months and practiced some meditation the swelling in the right part of your amygdala would recede a bit. Alternately, you might want to pull your head out of your ass as the vacuum there is undoubtedly drawing excess blood up there. Be sure to put your fingers in your ears first when you do. We don't want you getting the bends.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

OK, so all the ignorant GOP types that post here and refuse to admit that voter fraud isn't a problem, and think that these laws are needed, take a look at these points and try to refute them (with logic, not insults)

Slate

Some Republicans admit they have seen no evidence of fraud. Last year, Pennsylvania State Sen. Charles McIlhinney conceded as much. Yet in his mind, the mere prospect that it could exist outweighed the possibility that 700,000 citizens may lose their vote in November because of the state’s new voter ID law, which passed two months ago.

So Penn GOP'ers admit no voter fraud, and are fine with up to 700,000 legal voters not being able to vote. So here, the GOP admits no voter fraud, but is OK with disenfranchising 700,000 legal voters.

For example, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson went on Fox News earlier this year to declare that “we know for a fact there are deceased people whose identities are being used in elections in South Carolina.” Conservative outlets parroted the story endlessly, yet after a state investigation turned up zero evidence of fraud, they have gone silent

So Faux News let a SC GOP'er lie on camera claiming voter fraud. Of course, he lied, no voter fraud found.

National Republican chairman Reince Priebus echoed this view on MSNBC recently when discussing the new Wisconsin law that requires citizens to produce photo ID at the polls or be shown the door. He argued that the state’s election system was “absolutely riddled with voter fraud.” Priebus may be correct, but only if his standard for “riddled” is 0.0002 percent. A nonpartisan study on voter fraud in Wisconsin after the 2004 election found just seven ineligible votes—all of which were cast by ex-felons who were ineligible to vote despite being released from prison—out of 3 million ballots cast.

How about the GOP national chairperson saying there is fraud, but of course, reality steps in and shows it .0002%. Shocking, no?

And more on the Penn lawsuit: they had to legally stipulate in their lawsuit (which means they really aren't lying ) that these is no voter fraud, they don't think there is any voter fraud, and they don't expect this law to help prevent voter fraud

Link

The state signed a stipulation agreement with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges there "have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states."

Additionally, the agreement states Pennsylvania "will not offer any evidence in this action that in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania and elsewhere" or even argue "that in person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absense of the Photo ID law."

So to all of you that support this, please explain why you support these laws when even the GOP (you know, the people you blindly believe) says there is no voter fraud?

So what is your reason?