How are voter laws racist?

[Fanatical Meat]

If you can't pass e-verify, you can't vote. That includes Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama. Seriously, all people need to do is give their social security number. If it doesn't pass, no vote! Forget ID.

Literacy tests should also be given to be sure that people can actually read a ballot. That would help a lot. Low information voters are a problem, but no information voters are even more destructive. Somehow I feel Mr. Magoo drove the last election.

1st everify won't help, anyone could still use a dead person, incapacitated, or unaccounted for persons DOB & SSN. The key point in everify is the supporting ID's and as a hirining manager I can say about 1 in 5 need to be reprocessed for various reasons.
2nd I can't tell if you are kidding about literacy tests. Who would be the judge of what proper command of the language? I'll take that job and lets see if you would be allowed to vote. Read below:

http://www.crmvet.org/info/litques.htm

 

[Moonbeam]

The Republican party is dying. It is being bred and immigrated out of existence. It is a party of brain defective assholes trying to protect a sick and dying culture of white male supremacists. These are folk with evil motivations, motivated by bigotry, but with enormous hubris, vanity, and pride who would despise what they are if they could see it, another way of saying, who despise who they are so they will not see it. This profound need to deny who they really are turns them into the actual monsters they despise as they radiate and attempt to work unconsciously all that evil. We always become what we fear and we always create what we fear. Thus it is that the Republican party, thanks to the hidden contempt for others, have made themselves as openly despised by the other as they despise themselves secretly. Their attempt to suppress the vote of others is just their way of suppressing any growth in their party. They know they are monsters and they are doing us all a favor. They are destroying themselves. They are showing uninfected new voters their bigoted, brain damaged, hypocritical ugly selves. And you can bet that to their last breath they will still be blaming the other. But I wish before then that your sons and or daughters present you with multi-racial babies. There are always some of hard core bigots that can be reached when the innocence of the other hits close to home. May the peace of a cure reach you before you die.

 

[Matt1970]

The Republican party is dying. It is being bred and immigrated out of existence. It is a party of brain defective assholes trying to protect a sick and dying culture of white male supremacists. These are folk with evil motivations, motivated by bigotry, but with enormous hubris, vanity, and pride who would despise what they are if they could see it, another way of saying, who despise who they are so they will not see it. This profound need to deny who they really are turns them into the actual monsters they despise as they radiate and attempt to work unconsciously all that evil. We always become what we fear and we always create what we fear. Thus it is that the Republican party, thanks to the hidden contempt for others, have made themselves as openly despised by the other as they despise themselves secretly. Their attempt to suppress the vote of others is just their way of suppressing any growth in their party. They know they are monsters and they are doing us all a favor. They are destroying themselves. They are showing uninfected new voters their bigoted, brain damaged, hypocritical ugly selves. And you can bet that to their last breath they will still be blaming the other. But I wish before then that your sons and or daughters present you with multi-racial babies. There are always some of hard core bigots that can be reached when the innocence of the other hits close to home. May the peace of a cure reach you before you die.

Moonbeam is going for the world record of how many different ways to say the exact same thing.

 

[boomerang]

Moonbeam is going for the world record of how many different ways to say the exact same thing.

Shit. You mean he hasn't hit it yet?

 

[Matt1970]

Shit. You mean he hasn't hit it yet?

He changed it a while back and so his counter reset. He used to say he loved us for our brain defects and secret hatred of ourselves in some way every post. Now it's just Freudian nonsense laced with anger and hatred. His use of "assholes" is new. I hope that doesn't reset his counter again so we can give him his prize soon.

 

[shira]

Moonbeam is going for the world record of how many different ways to say the exact same thing.

You're going for a world record for how many different ways a person can say "I'm stupid."

 

[Jhhnn]

The way progressives, and even you, tend to portray things is as if half the population of the U.S. has this deep resentment towards "the other side", which I just don't believe is true, thus I tend to believe alternate possibilities more than the "I want the other side suppressed" theory.

I think we can see that resentment expressed here quite often. OTOH, it's not all that prevalent, certainly not so much as the buy-in to suppression schemes presented carefully to appeal to sub conscious prejudice of all sorts. Once buy-in has been effected, people tend to dig in & just believe more strongly when confronted with contrary evidence. They become emotionally attached, which is what the propagandists are depending on with their emotional appeal in the first place.

Ongoing discussions prove that last part entirely.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that in person "voter fraud" is a serious issue at all. Period. Yet all arguments in favor of voter ID assume that there is, or at least that there could be in whatever conspiracy theory scenarios they can cook up.

It's not rational in the first place, but rather entirely emotional. Therefore, no rational argument can overcome it in the minds of True Believers.

 

[Matt1970]

You're going for a world record for how many different ways a person can say "I'm stupid."

Wow, someone wants to engage in a 3rd grade insult contest. It's been a while but let's see if I can do it.

I know you are but what am I?

How did I do?

 

[Moonbeam]

Wow, someone wants to engage in a 3rd grade insult contest. It's been a while but let's see if I can do it.

I know you are but what am I?

How did I do?

Not too good. You won't hear the answer to what you are. But it's not because you're stupid, it's because you are full of pride and don't want to feel embarrassed. You have a brain defect that causes you to have to protect your ego. You were so badly humiliated as a child you will never open that door again. In fact you engage in your childish behavior just to get better at it, so you can flatter yourself in how you can laugh in the face of criticism. You actually were made to feel like a fool so you act that role out to show you won't let that feeling in. You indulge your sickness by posting. You have a need. Don't feel ashamed. You had to become the way you are to survive. No child has any other way to protect itself from ridicule. You died psychically in order to survive. It had to be that way. Forgive yourself if you can.

 

[Matt1970]

Add one more to the counter.

 

[Moonbeam]

Add one more to the counter.

What we need is a brain scan before voting to eliminate from the voter pool all those voters who can't identify themselves as brain defect free. This is easily done by cat scans to identify an enlarged right amygdala, indicative of fear based thinking that blocks rational analytical thinking.

 

[Matt1970]

What we need is a brain scan before voting to eliminate from the voter pool all those voters who can't identify themselves as brain defect free. This is easily done by cat scans to identify an enlarged right amygdala, indicative of fear based thinking that blocks rational analytical thinking.

Your fear is that your brain scan will come back blank. Or possibly something like this:

 

[cubby1223]

I think we can see that resentment expressed here quite often. OTOH, it's not all that prevalent, certainly not so much as the buy-in to suppression schemes presented carefully to appeal to sub conscious prejudice of all sorts. Once buy-in has been effected, people tend to dig in & just believe more strongly when confronted with contrary evidence. They become emotionally attached, which is what the propagandists are depending on with their emotional appeal in the first place.

Ongoing discussions prove that last part entirely.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that in person "voter fraud" is a serious issue at all. Period. Yet all arguments in favor of voter ID assume that there is, or at least that there could be in whatever conspiracy theory scenarios they can cook up.

It's not rational in the first place, but rather entirely emotional. Therefore, no rational argument can overcome it in the minds of True Believers.

Supporters say it's about creating legitimacy. Objectors say it's about voter suppression. What is the truth? Probably somewhere inbetween.

The root cause is paranoia, and quite frankly you have a touch of it too.

There is no evidence that terrorists are a serious enough issue to have the hordes of TSA agents we do, yet it is supported by the government. Or the NSA.


The same progressives who claim day after day that Voter ID laws are stupid because there is no evidence of voter fraud being a serious threat, where the same who claimed day after day during the 2012 elections about certain campaign finance laws even though there was no evidence of foreign corporations buying any election, ever. Then Obama won re-election, no laws changed, and yet somehow these progressives moved on to their new outrage of the week.


What do I want? I'll take regulations preventing foreign corporations from buying elections, voter id laws preventing illegal voting, AND money we waste bickering amongst ourselves to go towards getting every legal a voter id.

And if none of it happens, fine. But the anger between citizens is crazy in the political world, and I am trying to choose a path that keeps me informed while not making me a part of the anger. Life is to short to devote to the anger of politics if you're not using those politics to earn a living from it.

 

[cubby1223]

Your fear is that your brain scan will come back blank. Or possibly something like this:

You know very well that Moonbeam is a black hole of depression. Don't engage. Ever.

It's difficult, yes, but don't engage.

 

[Matt1970]

You know very well that Moonbeam is a black hole of depression. Don't engage. Ever.

It's difficult, yes, but don't engage.

But then how will I know when I secretly hate myself?

 

[Jhhnn]

Supporters say it's about creating legitimacy. Objectors say it's about voter suppression. What is the truth? Probably somewhere inbetween.

Legitimacy is such a lovely word, so vague in this context as to mean almost anything. It's remarkable coming from people who normally question the legitimacy of our govt entirely in almost any other context.

They'd question the legitimacy of govt whenever it isn't doing what they want it to do, when they've taken a minority position for whatever reason. OTOH, their conservative ideological forebears never questioned Jim Crow, but rather embraced it, because it delivered the govt they wanted with a thin veneer of plausible deniabity, of "legitimacy".

It's the Paul Weyrich definition of democracy, the same sort of democracy that existed among slave holding Greek city states millenia ago.

And then there's the usual diversion into false equivalency about money in elections. Nobody of any credibility has offered that foreign corporations are buying our elections. OTOH, allowing corporate money at all & some of the methods used to obscure the origins of political spending indicate that, at best, conservative political groups do a poor job of partitioning foreign & domestic contributions. It's more subtle than foreign corporations buying elections- it's about American business groups soliciting foreign money with the promise of quid pro quo, if their team wins. If they can fund operations from foreign money, then they just have more american money to spend to influence elections.

Voter fraud? Show me the fraud, for real, not the usual splashy headlines followed by vacuous specifics after the fact.

 

[piasabird]

Dont you have to have an ID to buy booze, buy cigarettes, and cash a check?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Dont you have to have an ID to buy booze, buy cigarettes, and cash a check?

Back to this again?

No, no and no.

I haven't been ID'd for alcohol and cigarettes in almost 20 years. I haven't set foot in a bank in about 10. Still manage to deposit checks without issue though.

 

[trenchfoot]

Dont you have to have an ID to buy booze, buy cigarettes, and cash a check?

Sort'a depends how old you are and if you can even afford or have a need to open a checking account? Just ask'in.

As I've said before, it's painfully obvious that these voter suppression/disenfranchisement laws will hurt many more voters who vote Dem than those who vote Repub and whoa! even those very few who would actually commit voter fraud.

So why can't the Repubs, who mysteriously are the ONLY party that uniformly legislate these laws into being, make every effort to accomodate those who would be egregiously affected by these obviously self-promoting laws in states where Repubs face a changing demographic that progressively isolates/prevents them from winning FAIR elections? They have no problem spending huge sums enabling these discriminatory laws, so what's a few million more added to the pile to guarantee that any and all who are disadvantaged be accomodated in one way or another to ensure these laws are fairly administered?

Let me answer my own question: Because then these laws would'nt have the desired effect, now wouldn't they?

 

[Moonbeam]

Back to this again?

No, no and no.

I haven't been ID'd for alcohol and cigarettes in almost 20 years. I haven't set foot in a bank in about 10. Still manage to deposit checks without issue though.

When arguing with a brain defective conservative you can argue away each point that they raise only to find in the end they will start with their first argument again. This is what it means to be brain defective. It is a kind of bigotry where the belief is that being conservative is good so any point a conservative can invent by rationalization, must also be good. There is no logic to any of this. It's all about the truthiness feeling. They know they are right and can't see otherwise because their brains are defective.

 

[Moonbeam]

You know very well that Moonbeam is a black hole of depression. Don't engage. Ever.

It's difficult, yes, but don't engage.

A silly fool it is who tells somebody else not to engage a third party when the only reason you did was to engage me. You are seething in a pot of shit and haven't the will power to ignore me. Try not to be so obvious about the fact that I'm so far up your ass I make your lips move and can honk your big red nose.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

If you can't pass e-verify, you can't vote. That includes Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama. Seriously, all people need to do is give their social security number. If it doesn't pass, no vote! Forget ID.

Literacy tests should also be given to be sure that people can actually read a ballot. That would help a lot. Low information voters are a problem, but no information voters are even more destructive. Somehow I feel Mr. Magoo drove the last election.

LOL at the racist...."Barry Soetoro" indeed.

Do you even comprehend that eliminating low information voters would eliminate yourself from being able to vote?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Just read that thread about the Daily Show guest, and while I find him to be undeniably "racist" I honestly dont see how voter ID laws and early voting laws only serve to hurt minorities.

I voted in 2012 (I will never vote again) and I didnt really do anything special, just drove to my local high school, showed the girl at the desk my ID and voted. How did that inhibit minorities from voting exactly?

How about looking at Pennsylvania? They tried restrictive voter laws and in their court case they had to admit in their official depositions that they admitted there is no real voter fraud, and that the proposed law would not catch any voter fraud.

Given that is the GOP itself admitting that, what other reason can you come up with to enact voter ID laws, if it isn't to prevent fraud?

Try answering that first. We will be waiting.

 

[Rakehellion]

Obviously, you never work at a casino. I am sure over 30s don't need ID to check out book or enter Costco/Sams Club, right? :whiste:


Let see, do need ID to open a bank account, darn racist bankers, LOL.

And ID to get EBT card, darn racist guvernment.

And ID to apply for any job, darn racist employers.

And ID to rent an apartment, darn racist landlord.

And so on, darn racist <fill in the blank>.

Many people don't have bank accounts, particularly the impoverished. The EBT card is just a racist stereotype you conjured, and the last three things don't require an ID.

 

[Rakehellion]

Dont you have to have an ID to buy booze, buy cigarettes, and cash a check?

You don't need an ID if you don't buy those things.