House Speaker election/circus/all ages carnival - ongoing coverage

[eelw]

Yup Schumer is friends with the spineless former speaker. He didn’t care when he let house bills rot on his desk. Can’t imagine the pleasure he’ll get from the Johnson bills never seeing the light of day in the senate.

 

[dank69]

What are the odds that Democrats take The House back in 2024?

Look, a lot can happen between now and then. If elections were held today I'd guess that Republicans would lose 20 seats minimum.

That doesn't matter though. A bunch of gerrymandering cases are still winding through the court system. Depending how those shake out Dems could gain more seats, or maybe even lose some. If the economy goes in the shitter for reasons other than government shutdown, voters are going to blame Biden whether or not he or Dems have anything to do with it.

Speculating this far out is futile.

 

[JEDI]

also, i am shocked by this event. he got it on the 1st vote?
wtfbbq??
Why did R's fall in line for him?

wow Johnson was pretty low on the Repub totem pole.

Ok, From what I've read, Johnson was the "least offensible" candidate for House Republicans.
But who or what corraled all the wacko Repubs to vote for him on the first round?

Unanimous vote should have been near impossible, like herding cats.

 

[trenchfoot]

wow Johnson was pretty low on the Repub totem pole.

Ok, From what I've read, Johnson was the "least offensible" candidate for House Republicans.
But who or what corraled all the wacko Repubs to vote for him on the first round?

Unanimous vote should have been near impossible, like herding cats.

My magic crystal ball is telling me Johnson had to make a whole lot of better promises to Jordan and Gaetz than those that McCarthy welched on.

 

[cytg111]

So. Ukraine funding is at an end?

 

[Thump553]

Look, a lot can happen between now and then. If elections were held today I'd guess that Republicans would lose 20 seats minimum.

That doesn't matter though. A bunch of gerrymandering cases are still winding through the court system. Depending how those shake out Dems could gain more seats, or maybe even lose some. If the economy goes in the shitter for reasons other than government shutdown, voters are going to blame Biden whether or not he or Dems have anything to do with it.

Speculating this far out is futile.

I'd like to agree with you but frankly I don't see the US Supreme Court ever issuing any decision actually reducing gerrymandering any time in the foreseeable future. The Supreme Court issued one of it's worst, most anti-democratic decisions ever in 2019 (Rucho v. Common Cause) were they ruled that no federal court may ever consider any lawsuit contesting partisan gerrymandering, holding that issue is up to state legislatures and state governments.

Ironically this horrible decision actually inadvertently opened the door to challenging gerrymandering in the state courts where in places like Wisconsin the absurd partisanship lockhold on state government is finally starting to weaken there. Ever there (and Wisconsin is a traditionally liberal state that actually had Socialist governors in the early 1900s) it is a long slog and so far has required multiple landslide votes in favor of Dems with the GOP still retaining substantial oversize control of the state legislature and courts. It will be a decades long process of active voter participation to bring the scales even remotely close to balanced. On the federal level it will require several decades of Dem control of the presidency and senate to replace the outright "conservative" wackjobs Trump (especially) appointed.

 

[dank69]

wow Johnson was pretty low on the Repub totem pole.

Ok, From what I've read, Johnson was the "least offensible" candidate for House Republicans.
But who or what corraled all the wacko Repubs to vote for him on the first round?

Unanimous vote should have been near impossible, like herding cats.

Republicans knew they needed to elect someone. Freedumb caucus wasn't going to vote for non-maga. Rank-and-file needed a relatively unknown maga and got it with Johnson.

It was never that "less crazy" (lol) Republicans don't want maga, it's that they want to play the line like they're reasonably moderate because they can't win with only maga. They all know Johnson is hardcore maga, but they also knew from the lack of immediate backlash like what happened with Jordan that the general public wasn't fully aware that he is maga. Johnson allowed them to vote their maga heart while maintaining plausible (lol like they don't know exactly what he is) deniability as the public becomes more aware.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'd like to agree with you but frankly I don't see the US Supreme Court ever issuing any decision actually reducing gerrymandering any time in the foreseeable future. The Supreme Court issued one of it's worst, most anti-democratic decisions ever in 2019 (Rucho v. Common Cause) were they ruled that no federal court may ever consider any lawsuit contesting partisan gerrymandering, holding that issue is up to state legislatures and state governments.

'Bama says Howdeeee.

Alabama Republicans refuse to draw a second Black congressional district in defiance of Supreme Court

Republicans get caught in court racist gerrymandering to disenfranchise black representation in that state and they are refusing the orders of SCOTUS. This proves two things. Republicans are the racist party and they don't really give a shit about law/order and the Constitution. I wonder if...

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[Indus]

Republicans knew they needed to elect someone. Freedumb caucus wasn't going to vote for non-maga. Rank-and-file needed a relatively unknown maga and got it with Johnson.

It was never that "less crazy" (lol) Republicans don't want maga, it's that they want to play the line like they're reasonably moderate because they can't win with only maga. They all know Johnson is hardcore maga, but they also knew from the lack of immediate backlash like what happened with Jordan that the general public wasn't fully aware that he is maga. Johnson allowed them to vote their maga heart while maintaining plausible (lol like they don't know exactly what he is) deniability as the public becomes more aware.

If you think he's going to be reasonable.. you're gonna be dissappointed.

‘Get Ready For It’: Political Strategist Issues Dire Prediction About Mike Johnson

The new House speaker is “every bit the flamethrower” as Jim Jordan but “just wears a pair of glasses and dons a Clark Kent disguise,” warned Chai Komanduri.

www.huffpost.com

“Get ready for it. We’ll have a government shutdown,” he predicted. “We’re going to shut down aid to Ukraine to help Trump’s major benefactor, [Russian President] Vladimir Putin. That’s what’s going to occur.”

Johnson is “every bit the flamethrower” as Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), who lost his bid to become speaker despite being endorsed by Trump.

Johnson “just wears a pair of glasses and dons a Clark Kent disguise,” Komanduri added.

 

[Brainonska511]

If you think he's going to be reasonable.. you're gonna be dissappointed.

‘Get Ready For It’: Political Strategist Issues Dire Prediction About Mike Johnson

The new House speaker is “every bit the flamethrower” as Jim Jordan but “just wears a pair of glasses and dons a Clark Kent disguise,” warned Chai Komanduri.

www.huffpost.com

“Get ready for it. We’ll have a government shutdown,” he predicted. “We’re going to shut down aid to Ukraine to help Trump’s major benefactor, [Russian President] Vladimir Putin. That’s what’s going to occur.”
Johnson is “every bit the flamethrower” as Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), who lost his bid to become speaker despite being endorsed by Trump.
Johnson “just wears a pair of glasses and dons a Clark Kent disguise,” Komanduri added.

Why would anyone think that MAGA Mike is going to be anything but lead lunatic at the head of the insane asylum? I don't think anyone is delusional enough to think that Republicans would want to govern in good faith. People might say stuff about wanting to work together, but remember that the American public is not very plugged in and can be quite dense, and thus still think that bipartisanship is something to be valued.

 

[Pens1566]

Just the notion of the proposed "12 separate individually focused funding bills" is enough to almost guarantee a shutdown.

The added amount of time that plan will take all but seals it.

 

[gothuevos]

MAGA speaker, means more MAGA candidates running for elections.

We should be letting MAGA sing MAGA tropes with their megaphones and let Gen Z reply at the ballot box.

If we learned anything from 2018, 2020 and 2022.. extreme MAGA candidates aren't popular.

Yet MAGA is now speaker of the house.

Eventually more and more will get in.

Grass isn't always greener on the other side, re: booting Kevin McCarthy.

 

[zinfamous]

Yet MAGA is now speaker of the house.

Eventually more and more will get in.

Grass isn't always greener on the other side, re: booting Kevin McCarthy.

but who booted Keven McCarthy?

 

[Ajay]

MAGA speaker, means more MAGA candidates running for elections.

We should be letting MAGA sing MAGA tropes with their megaphones and let Gen Z reply at the ballot box.

If we learned anything from 2018, 2020 and 2022.. extreme MAGA candidates aren't popular.

I don't think this will really encourage MAGA candidates. For one, this guy is probably going to be weaker than even McCarthy. He's a throwaway speaker just to fill the seat, IMHO.

 

[fskimospy]

but who booted Keven McCarthy?

Yeah I'm not sure if people realize that McCarthy was just doing whatever the far right wanted anyway. I see no functional difference here other than this guy is going to be an endless series of bad press for Republicans.

 

[Meghan54]

Yet MAGA is now speaker of the house.

Eventually more and more will get in.

Grass isn't always greener on the other side, re: booting Kevin McCarthy.

Then why did Repubs vote McCarthy out?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Yeah I'm not sure if people realize that McCarthy was just doing whatever the far right wanted anyway. I see no functional difference here other than this guy is going to be an endless series of bad press for Republicans.

You mean like ......

Mike Johnson's Ties to Christian Nationalism Revealed​

The new House Speaker is being criticized for his previous ties to an anti-LGBTQ religious group.


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[brycejones]

Yet MAGA is now speaker of the house.

Eventually more and more will get in.

Grass isn't always greener on the other side, re: booting Kevin McCarthy.

What's up no eggs?

 

[cytg111]

One could hope that as R rallies and panics to maintain MAGA more and more voters is gonna turn their backs to the party. Here is to hoping that this is a death spiral and not the death of something else.

 

[IronWing]

Yet MAGA is now speaker of the house.

So nothing changed. McCarthy is every bit as whack as the rest of the wonderland gang.

 

[MrSquished]

Hopefully Moonbeam is realizing these people are irredeemable in our lifetime and we need to establish who is our enemy and too evil to be saved before they try to oppress us like fascists.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yeah I'm not sure if people realize that McCarthy was just doing whatever the far right wanted anyway. I see no functional difference here other than this guy is going to be an endless series of bad press for Republicans.

I'm incredulous to this idea floating around that McCarthy wasn't some MAGA clown who just so happened to always be playing footsy with the far right and shining Trump's shoes with his tongue.

 

[IronWing]

Just the notion of the proposed "12 separate individually focused funding bills" is enough to almost guarantee a shutdown.

The added amount of time that plan will take all but seals it.

The funny thing is that it is entirely up to the House how they construct appropriations bills. The 12 bills thing reflects the historic power of specific committee chairs, nothing more. My guess is that we'll have a short shutdown or three followed by a year long CR. If they were smart about it, they'd use the long CR to kick the can into the next fiscal year and past the 2024 election. Fiscal years are a creation of Congress and Congress can ignore the idea if it wants to.

I suspect Ukraine funding is in trouble. I don't think the House Republicans want funding for Israel bad enough to accept Ukraine funding as the price. They've made too many stupid public statements about Ukraine to walk it back.

 

[eelw]

Just the notion of the proposed "12 separate individually focused funding bills" is enough to almost guarantee a shutdown.

The added amount of time that plan will take all but seals it.

But Gaetz is right and each bill should be handled separately instead of bundling them all together.

 

[Brainonska511]

But Gaetz is right and each bill should be handled separately instead of bundling them all together.

Broken clock and whatnot. Gaetz is still a fuckhead.

Yes, government should use appropriations bills instead of a single omnibus or CR, but that requires people to act in good faith and for Congressional committees to actually do their job instead of politically hiding behind the speaker.