Why is the Bush admin so afraid of peace? 
Why is the press shooting swipes at Nancy P.? Are THEY, AGAIN, trying to tell Americans what to think? How to think? Creating their OWN news from twisted truth?
Since when is "talking" to an enemy the wrong approach?
How sick has America, its press and its president become???
I highly recommend renting or buying the DVD called "US VS John Lennon". Also, on Pay-per-view, on many cable/satellite systems.
This film of events during the Nixon admin could so easily fit into the events of today. So much so, its very scary. Nixon, like Bush, was all against anyone that speaks peace. They only want to hear the battle cry. You need to watch this film...
Why is the press shooting swipes at Nancy P.? Are THEY, AGAIN, trying to tell Americans what to think? How to think? Creating their OWN news from twisted truth?
Since when is "talking" to an enemy the wrong approach?
How sick has America, its press and its president become???
I highly recommend renting or buying the DVD called "US VS John Lennon". Also, on Pay-per-view, on many cable/satellite systems.
This film of events during the Nixon admin could so easily fit into the events of today. So much so, its very scary. Nixon, like Bush, was all against anyone that speaks peace. They only want to hear the battle cry. You need to watch this film...
I bet the arch conservatives are appalled that Pelosi would cover her head in Syria but then parade amongst fine upstanding men with her hair visible.
She even had the gall to lecture men on the inclusion of women in political leadership.
She even had the gall to lecture men on the inclusion of women in political leadership.
seems that more and more people are lambasting Pelosi over her attempts to play a "shadow president" and meddling in foreign policy which is outside her office's role.
USA Today article
Washington Post Editorial
USA Today article
Washington Post Editorial
Anything more than the absolute NOTHING the admin is accomplishing.
Speaking of bloated, how's your overblown rhetoric? You haven't given any reason she shouldn't pursue her duties as an American legislator. Would you prefer that she works using the same kind of ignorance the Bushwhackos have used to lead our nation and the world into its present state of shambles? :shocked:
No, it was for the morons who are too blind to see that talking doesn't cost anything while maintaining silence and ignorance guarantee that any possible breakthroughs will be missed. :roll:
Wall Street Journal piece says Pelosi likely committed a felony traveling to Damascus. I'd post the link but you need to be a subscriber to read more than the first paragraph.
A felony? OMG, why aren't they hauling her to prison right now as an enemy combatant?
Look, not talking to your enemies is a sure-fire recipe to ensure that relations remain strained forever. Remember recently, the U.S. finally sat down with North Korea and seemed to have hammered out at least some sort of crude agreement. Not engaging in diplomacy = 100% failure rate; engaging in diplomacy at least gives you a chance of working things out peacefully. I'd suggest we start engaging both Syria and Iran because we've had plenty of time to see what the alternative accomplishes. Nothing.
blackangst1
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Starbuck1975
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With all of the negative press Pelosi is getting, many are questioning why the Speaker of the House is playing Secretary of State...and this criticism is not limited to Bill O'Reilly & Rush Limbaugh, because people are starting to question the methods by which Pelosi is choosing her battles with the Bush Administration.
Bunch of Democrat apologists if you ask me...whose egos are bloated by the supposed mandate given to them by the American people, yet unable to admit that their leadership is capable of errors in judgement as well...we can all play this juvenile game.
Exactly...she is a LEGISLATOR...her duties do not extend to playing diplomat.
Talking can cost quite a bit if you transmit the wrong message...which Pelosi did...I am sure her visit has Syria's leadership scratching their heads.
That's exactly the same neocon idiocy the Bushwhackos sold to start their current fiasco. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
How are they a thug nation? I see them having a more emo type outlook or maybe like the nerdy kid that noone likes who walks into the lunchroom at school and blows his brains out.
theeedude
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Maybe Rightwing sore losers are. The sane people in this country understand that Bush's "diplomacy" isn't working, and that Pelosi goes to other countries in her capacity as House Majority leader, not Secretary of State
Did she say she is there as a US diplomat? No, she went there as House Majority Leader.
Like I said, repugs just bitter you guys lost in 2006, lashing out at Pelosi. Well, you are going to be bitter for a long time, the way Iraq is going, you'll be losing a lot more elections.
Hey right wingys... some food for thought.
March 31st, 1997
Speaking with startling bluntness on an issue so delicate that diplomats have tiptoed around it for years, Newt Gingrich said today that he had warned China's top leaders that the United States would intervene militarily if Taiwan was attacked.
As he left for Tokyo after a three-day trip to China, Mr. Gingrich said he had made it absolutely clear how the United States would respond if such a military conflict arose.
Referring to his meetings with China's leaders, Mr. Gingrich said: ''I said firmly, 'We want you to understand, we will defend Taiwan. Period.'"
He also said, ''I think that they are more aware now that we would defend Taiwan if it were militarily attacked.''
Mr. Gingrich, the Speaker of the House, delivered his message, among the most forceful ever given about Taiwan by a visiting United States official, to Wang Daohan, China's chief representative in talks with Taiwan. Mr. Gingrich said he had given the same message to President Jiang Zemin and Prime Minister Li Peng in Beijing last week.
Chinese leaders offered no public response to Mr. Gingrich today. But on Friday, Mr. Jiang urged him to treat the Taiwan issue with care. . . .
Asked about Mr. Gingrich's statements, a Clinton Administration official in Washington said Mr. Gingrich had received briefings about American policy toward China, but that Mr. Gingrich ''was speaking for himself'' in his conversations with Chinese leaders.
The White House issued a statement saying that the policy of the United States was to ''meet its obligation under the Taiwan Relations Act, including the maintenance of an adequate self-defense for Taiwan,'' and that the Administration would maintain its ''one-China policy, the fundamental bedrock of which is that both parties peacefully address the Taiwan issue. . . ."
In an interview on Friday, Mr. Gingrich said he had spoken with Mr. Clinton, and with Mr. Gore on several occasions, to make sure that their messages to Beijing dovetailed. At the time, he did not mention his message on Taiwan.
--Taken from Glenn Greenwald's blog
AHHHH NEWT IS A FELON TOO!
March 31st, 1997
Speaking with startling bluntness on an issue so delicate that diplomats have tiptoed around it for years, Newt Gingrich said today that he had warned China's top leaders that the United States would intervene militarily if Taiwan was attacked.
As he left for Tokyo after a three-day trip to China, Mr. Gingrich said he had made it absolutely clear how the United States would respond if such a military conflict arose.
Referring to his meetings with China's leaders, Mr. Gingrich said: ''I said firmly, 'We want you to understand, we will defend Taiwan. Period.'"
He also said, ''I think that they are more aware now that we would defend Taiwan if it were militarily attacked.''
Mr. Gingrich, the Speaker of the House, delivered his message, among the most forceful ever given about Taiwan by a visiting United States official, to Wang Daohan, China's chief representative in talks with Taiwan. Mr. Gingrich said he had given the same message to President Jiang Zemin and Prime Minister Li Peng in Beijing last week.
Chinese leaders offered no public response to Mr. Gingrich today. But on Friday, Mr. Jiang urged him to treat the Taiwan issue with care. . . .
Asked about Mr. Gingrich's statements, a Clinton Administration official in Washington said Mr. Gingrich had received briefings about American policy toward China, but that Mr. Gingrich ''was speaking for himself'' in his conversations with Chinese leaders.
The White House issued a statement saying that the policy of the United States was to ''meet its obligation under the Taiwan Relations Act, including the maintenance of an adequate self-defense for Taiwan,'' and that the Administration would maintain its ''one-China policy, the fundamental bedrock of which is that both parties peacefully address the Taiwan issue. . . ."
In an interview on Friday, Mr. Gingrich said he had spoken with Mr. Clinton, and with Mr. Gore on several occasions, to make sure that their messages to Beijing dovetailed. At the time, he did not mention his message on Taiwan.
--Taken from Glenn Greenwald's blog
AHHHH NEWT IS A FELON TOO!
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Sounds more like he co-ordinated his trip with the Clinton WH, and had permission.
Although I've previously asked in this thread what exactly does Pelosi need to know about Syria, and if there were bills pending etc - To which no ones responded (even though many continue to emphasize how important her trip was, apparently unable to articulate it beyond broad sweeping statements).
But it does occurr to me that the Speaker of the House is is in a very strong position to warn other nations about the possibility of war (which Newt seems to have been doing) because it's Congress that declares war. Not the Pres or State Department.
Fern
Starbuck1975
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Her capacity as House Majority leader does not include diplomatic relations, or at the very least, would suggest coordination with the President or Secretary of State...a loose cannon Majority Leader is exactly what this country needs right now.
Again, where in her mandate as HML, does it state diplomatic trips...what was the intent of her trip...what did she hope to accomplish...what were the stated diplomatic goals, and were they achieved?
Written from the "I know you are but what am I" schoolyard textbook on political debate...this is apparently your only talking point, because you keep repeating it.
An interesting article, and relevant to this discussion thread...I don't recall this particular incident, but Gingrich was certainly a bit of a loose cannon as well...however, there seems to be a few distinctions here...Gingrich apparently made this trip with prior coordination with President, but apparently overstepped his bounds by making a statement on Taiwan...if this was indeed the case, Gingrich was as much in the wrong as Pelosi now is.
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