Hey Nancy.........WTF are you doing???

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Its so funny that all the righties get their panties in a twist because the rookie house speaker is showing the President and his croonies how to actually conduct DIPLOMACY instead of WORTHLESS WARS...rofl...loL!! too funny!!!
rofl....hahahaaaaaa...way too funny.........rofl

I guess photo ops now qualify as effective foreign policy engagements.

Nancy Pelosi is merely doing what Condi Rice and the Bush administration should be doing, talking with countries in the middle east to try and stop the fighting.
The message of the last election is that the american people want the war over, and the Bush admin response has been to try and extend the war. Nancy Pelosi took some initiative and did the right thing. Oh, and Nancy Pelosi has far more foreign policy experience than Bush had before he was selected president. Maybe you conservatives can list all of the great foreign policy objectives the Bush admin has achieved?

True, the message from the American people was that they want the war in Iraq to end...but end in a manner that also does not destabilize the entire region...perhaps you should post when the Democrats pass legislation or present a plan that defines a viable strategy for Iraq. I have heard a lot of sabre rattling...haven't seen much in the form of conviction or results.

Let's see the Democrats pass a funding bill or a BINDING resolution that calls for troop withdrawal by a certain date...without any pork attached...and force Bush to play his hand.

No one said effective diplomacy, only diplomacy as opposed to a crappy war. Seeing as War hasn't really bought us a peacful middle east I'm willing to give some sort of diplomacy a shot.

 

[Moonbeam]

All I saw was another self absorbed turd talking to himself.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Gimli
Nancy Pelosi is the worse Speaker of the House ever, but it doesn't surprise me for she's a typical California Liberal Nut Job (Another liberal Nut job from California is U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein) that is hell bent on ripping the United States apart. I'm starting to believe there are no good politicians on either side (Republican or Democrat), which means the United States is doomed unless a good decent politician emerges.

Nominated for worst/most ignorant post of the month.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Gimli
Nancy Pelosi is the worse Speaker of the House ever, but it doesn't surprise me for she's a typical California Liberal Nut Job (Another liberal Nut job from California is U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein) that is hell bent on ripping the United States apart. I'm starting to believe there are no good politicians on either side (Republican or Democrat), which means the United States is doomed unless a good decent politician emerges.

Nominated for worst/most ignorant post of the month.

But his mindset does point to the possibility we are doomed, no? These braindead, robo-spewers are thick as ants on the dead.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Glen Beck is a tool . . . as are most of his guests.

haaretz

The bureau responded to questions raised yesterday by a statement made by U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, following a meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad. Pelosi said she had relayed a message from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, to the effect that Israel was ready for peace talks with Syria.

The Prime Minister's Office was quick to issue a denial, stating that "what was discussed with the House speaker did not include any change in Israel's policy, as it has been presented to international parties involved in the matter."

CBS after Israel before Syria

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will tell Syrian leaders when she visits Damascus this week on a trip criticized by the Bush administration that Israel will only engage in peace talks if Syria stops supporting Palestinian militants, Israel said Sunday.
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"Pelosi is conveying that Israel is willing to talk if they (Syria) would openly take steps to stop supporting terrorism," Olmert's spokeswoman Miri Eisin said. "But at this point the Syrian government, by openly backing terror all around the Middle East, is not a partner for negotiations."

The OP needs to find a better source of information. Reading would be a good start. For the record, Darrell Issa (R-CA) is hot on Pelosi's heels.

Congressman Darrell Issa of California said President Bush had failed to promote the dialogue that is necessary to resolve disagreements between the United States and Syria.
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Bush sharply criticized Pelosi, a Californian Democrat, for meeting Assad on Wednesday. However, his administration stayed relatively quiet about a similar visit days earlier by a three-man Republican delegation that also met with Syria's leaders.

So what did Glen Beck have to say about the Republicans going to Syria?

 

[theeedude]

Republicans are ignoramuses on foreign policy, which is why they got us in the mess we are in, complete lack of interest in other cultures and understanding their thinking.
Then when someone goes to the Middle East to actually see for her self, they attack her for not being as ignorant as they are.

 

[Starbuck1975]

No one said effective diplomacy, only diplomacy as opposed to a crappy war. Seeing as War hasn't really bought us a peacful middle east I'm willing to give some sort of diplomacy a shot.

Misguided or naive diplomacy is sometimes worse than no diplomacy at all...just ask the French.

Welcome to 2003, you were already warned then it was going to happen, only way they are going to stabilize is with the occupation over.

The region was quite unstable before American troops set foot on Middle Eastern soil...our mistake was to place American troops in the middle of a region scarred by centuries of excess baggage and conflict.

Republicans are ignoramuses on foreign policy, which is why they got us in the mess we are in, complete lack of interest in other cultures and understanding their thinking.
Then when someone goes to the Middle East to actually see for her self, they attack her for not being as ignorant as they are.

Both parties have had their fair share of diplomatic masterminds and imbeciles...Bush falls into the latter category.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The region was quite unstable before American troops set foot on Middle Eastern soil...our mistake was to place American troops in the middle of a region scarred by centuries of excess baggage and conflict.

Which is exactly why we need to go there and understand the region more, not less.
Especially our leadership.

 

[JEDIYoda]

hahahha God don`t you just love all the Democratic apologists????

I bet somebody will complain about me mentioning the democratic apologists..lol...

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

I dont know that, but i do know she hates bush with a passion prob more than you the point is she doenst have to like bush at all but she should show a lot more respect for the office of the President.

Perhaps the president should show her some respect as well, she is the speaker of the house after all, a position intended to be equal if not greater than the president in clout.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Terrorist support by proxy?

We support terrorists directly, and have done so for decades, it nothing new and this certainly isn't even remotely bad, assuming the accusation is legitimate to begin with.

Now if Bush talks to Putin, does that mean he is supporting tyranny and borderline genocide by proxy?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Our Governments own actions or inactions is what makes it not look good. Pelosi couldn't possibly make them look worse than they already do. At best all she is doing is confirming how pitiful this Administrations Foriegn Policies are.

Foreign policy is NOT her place, she can have her opinion but that opinion should NOT be expressed to any other country. Bottom line, she is out of the realm of her job.

The executive is out of the borders of its constitutional "place" on an hourly basis. Its time the congress and judiciary started to push back, and hard.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JD50


Your source does not have any proof that the Post was wrong, its just a bunch of "he said, she said". I guess it depends on who you want to believe, a liberal newspaper or a liberal website.

The post is hardly a liberal newspaper, unless you classify anything as being liberal that is not outright conservative.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I love how people are getting all bent out of shape about Pelosi "overstepping her bounds".

However, a President who oversteps his by ignoring the Constitution and saying that Congress has no authority over the military is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring civil liberties is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring privacy, free speach, right to jury and representation, his not overstepping his bounds. Finally, ignoring that he is part of thee equal branches, none with more power than the other, oversteps the boundaries of not only the intent, spirit, but actual letter of the Constitution.

Yes, none of the 2nd paragraph is overstepping boundaries, but making a single stupid trip to a ME country to try and end this admins idiotic policies is *SO* horrible.


Wow, great double standard!

Hey, if it was good enough for FDR, it's good enough for GWB.

Please show where war wasn't declared against Japan and Germany.

I was speaking more generally about FDR's views on the Constitution. Read up on his Court-packing bill, just for one example. Funny how the Supreme Court cases seemed to go his way after that. The Supremes paid a very high price for the preservation of the rule of 9.

I think its funny that you justify bushes actions by saying the FDR did stuff just as bad, but then go on to talk about how terrible what FDR did was.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Craig234

If the president does poorly as commander in chief, should presidents no longer be able to be commander in chief?

Well normally if a commander in chief is piss poor the country would not re-elect him.

People do not act rationally or in their own interests. Emotion overpowers reason, and this in not a statement of right or left either.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Perhaps it is because the Republican lawmakers aren't dancing around in muslim scarves and making fools of themselves in front of the cameras?

I disagree with the travel of the entire lot there, Republicans included. Syria is a terrorist sponsor and certainly not a country in which diplomacy stands any chance of success.

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Its so funny that all the righties get their panties in a twist because the rookie house speaker is showing the President and his croonies how to actually conduct DIPLOMACY instead of WORTHLESS WARS...rofl...loL!! too funny!!!
rofl....hahahaaaaaa...way too funny.........rofl

I guess photo ops now qualify as effective foreign policy engagements.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Perhaps it is because the Republican lawmakers aren't dancing around in muslim scarves and making fools of themselves in front of the cameras?

I disagree with the travel of the entire lot there, Republicans included. Syria is a terrorist sponsor and certainly not a country in which diplomacy stands any chance of success.

On the former, you do realize Condi had her head covered in meetings in the Middle East and that the First Lady covered her head when meeting the Pope?

On the latter . . . US military protecting Iranian group on State Department's terrorist list

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
go nancy...rofl...can we say Republican presaident in 2008??? rofl

Yeah, just like you said Republican sweep for 06.
rofl indeed. You keep right on rofl'ing.

rofl.

 

[JEDIYoda]

hahahha God don`t you just love all the Democratic apologists????
rofl....hahahaaaaaa...way too funny.........rofl

 

[International Machine Consortium]

U.S. supports these terrorists:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/...rorists/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Terrorist support by proxy?

So visiting Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is off limits ?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Thanks to Fern.............and to further the original point............


I don't think that many of the lib respondents here are actually watching the clip I posted in the OP, so I'm gonna cut & paste some here that I think is relevant as to WHY it was not a good idea for Nancy to fly her ass over there & start opening her pie-hole.......

Glenn: Okay. Is she a peace-maker, is she a trouble-maker? Brigitte Gabriel, the president of American Congress for Truth, author of "BECAUSE THEY HATE" A Survivors of Islamic Terror Warns America. See -- I'm a conservative who is not going to come out and say the democrats hate America because I don't think they do. How could she be this wrong? How do you possibly see Assad as anything as somebody who harbors terrorists?

Brigitte: Well, let's just say, Glenn, she's misguided. I'm sure she's a patriotic American and loves this country but she sees things differently than you and I do. She does not understand the Middle East and has no concept. If she did, she would not be parading down the streets of Damascus in a hijab.

Glenn: What is she missing? What do you know that she doesn't know?

Brigitte: She needs to realize Syria has no interest in negotiating with the United States. Syria is using Nancy Pelosi as a puppet and a photo-op to give Syria credibility on the world stage, so Syria is not looked at as a dictatorship or as an axis of evil or as a terror-harboring state but as a state that the Speaker of the House of the United States goes and visit and gives them credibility and say, you know, we agree with you. We want to negotiate with you. We do not think our president is right in judging you, and, therefore, we're going above our president to give you credibility and to show you and the world that we are representing the American government and we think that you are okay. That is wrong.

Does that help clear up for anybody why it was wrong???

Like I said........bless her heart for thinkin' she could do something, I agree.....I don't think she hates the U.S.........BUT.......I think she's misdirecting her overzealous tendencies to do anything to shame this Presidency and in the process is making herself look like an absolute idiot.

You just post the opinion of interviewee. Nothing more nothing else. We don't know what Syria really wants. In fact there was a time when Syria had better relations with this nation of course that all changed with this administration.

You could easily insert the word China in that text and have it be a 1970's interview piece. Really you are grasping at straws in your attempt to discredit Nancy. She can go anywhere she likes and talk to who she likes. She may not make diplomatic overtures but she can inform herself and talk to people if she likes to get a better perspective of the situation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Thanks to Fern.............and to further the original point............


I don't think that many of the lib respondents here are actually watching the clip I posted in the OP, so I'm gonna cut & paste some here that I think is relevant as to WHY it was not a good idea for Nancy to fly her ass over there & start opening her pie-hole.......

Glenn: Okay. Is she a peace-maker, is she a trouble-maker? Brigitte Gabriel, the president of American Congress for Truth, author of "BECAUSE THEY HATE" A Survivors of Islamic Terror Warns America. See -- I'm a conservative who is not going to come out and say the democrats hate America because I don't think they do. How could she be this wrong? How do you possibly see Assad as anything as somebody who harbors terrorists?

Brigitte: Well, let's just say, Glenn, she's misguided. I'm sure she's a patriotic American and loves this country but she sees things differently than you and I do. She does not understand the Middle East and has no concept. If she did, she would not be parading down the streets of Damascus in a hijab.

Glenn: What is she missing? What do you know that she doesn't know?

Brigitte: She needs to realize Syria has no interest in negotiating with the United States. Syria is using Nancy Pelosi as a puppet and a photo-op to give Syria credibility on the world stage, so Syria is not looked at as a dictatorship or as an axis of evil or as a terror-harboring state but as a state that the Speaker of the House of the United States goes and visit and gives them credibility and say, you know, we agree with you. We want to negotiate with you. We do not think our president is right in judging you, and, therefore, we're going above our president to give you credibility and to show you and the world that we are representing the American government and we think that you are okay. That is wrong.

Does that help clear up for anybody why it was wrong???

Like I said........bless her heart for thinkin' she could do something, I agree.....I don't think she hates the U.S.........BUT.......I think she's misdirecting her overzealous tendencies to do anything to shame this Presidency and in the process is making herself look like an absolute idiot.

You just post the opinion of interviewee. Nothing more nothing else. We don't know what Syria really wants. In fact there was a time that Syria had better relations with this nation of course that all changed with this administration.

You could easliy insert the word China in that text and have it be a 1970's interview piece. Really you are grasping at straws in your attempt to discredit Nancy. She can go where she likes and talk to who she likes. She may not make diplomatic overtures but she can inform herself and talk to people if she likes to get a better perspective of the situation.

It`s all Hillary`s fault!!

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

It`s all Hillary`s fault!!

thats the second time that i've have seen you post that in in the last 5 minutes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nancy should just tell the world there's a new sheriff in town and that America like the rest of the world thinks the old one is a Dumbo, that nobody pays any attention to that dick-head and neither should they.