Hey Nancy.........WTF are you doing???

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Aisengard
So, uh, where were all these calls from Republicans for Bush to be thrown out of office when he absolutely, completely, and unambiguously lied about everything in Iraq? Nevermind that his decisions caused infinitely more damage than whatever Pelosi says. I'd say he disgraced the office of the President more than anyone else could have dreamed.

If that is true then how come I have never heard one elected official accuse him of lying nor have I read anything in the New York Times or WaPa saying that everything he said pre-war was an outright lie.

The only people who believe what he said about Iraq and WMD/terrorists was an outright lie are the anti-Bush left.

Yeah I think it was more a case of extreme imcompetence.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Our Governments own actions or inactions is what makes it not look good. Pelosi couldn't possibly make them look worse than they already do. At best all she is doing is confirming how pitiful this Administrations Foriegn Policies are.

Foreign policy is NOT her place, she can have her opinion but that opinion should NOT be expressed to any other country. Bottom line, she is out of the realm of her job.

No she isn't. As a representitve she should doing exactly what she should be doing.

It is the Executive branch's job to conduct foreign policy, not a congressional power.

She's on a fact finding mission, she's not conducting foriegn policy because she can't in her position, it's just not possible. You guys are blathering on about nothing.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Terrorist support by proxy?

"Pelosi herself has ?described the trip as little different than the visit paid to Syria the same week led by Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-VA),? and she went to great lengths to express her unity of purpose with President Bush on terrorism issues. The Post?s own reporting today also cites several instances of members of Congress meeting with foreign leaders during the past 30 years. "

[SARCASM] And in other news Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA), Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA), and Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-AL) are being denounced by President Bush for visiting Syria.[/SARCASM]:roll:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Terrorist support by proxy?

"Pelosi herself has ?described the trip as little different than the visit paid to Syria the same week led by Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-VA),? and she went to great lengths to express her unity of purpose with President Bush on terrorism issues. The Post?s own reporting today also cites several instances of members of Congress meeting with foreign leaders during the past 30 years. "

[SARCASM] And in other news Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA), Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA), and Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-AL) are being denounced by President Bush for visiting Syria.[/SARCASM]:roll:

Nvm, I see that you are trying to discredit a liberal newspaper with a liberal website.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Terrorist support by proxy?

"Pelosi herself has ?described the trip as little different than the visit paid to Syria the same week led by Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-VA),? and she went to great lengths to express her unity of purpose with President Bush on terrorism issues. The Post?s own reporting today also cites several instances of members of Congress meeting with foreign leaders during the past 30 years. "

[SARCASM] And in other news Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA), Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA), and Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-AL) are being denounced by President Bush for visiting Syria.[/SARCASM]:roll:

Nvm, I see that you are trying to discredit a liberal newspaper with a liberal website.

Good advice. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read the whole rebuttal article I linked to. You know the one titled "Washington Post Misleads, Contradicts Own Reporting, To Attack Pelosi.".

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

Her false statements about what Israel and Syria said can undermine American resolve when it comes to dealing with Syria.

The Bush hating folks in this country will hear what she says and think ?wow we can really talk to these guys?
Reality is that we can?t talk to or trust Syria in any way shape or form. And pretending like we can presents a false message to the people of America and the world.

That, and i do believe that the Consitution states that ONLY the Executive branch is to carry out foreign policy, she has no business going over there and speaking about anything political, she is undermining our whole system and should be kicked out of office.

Don't start with the Bush bashing, the current administration has not been good, but this undermines the foundation of our country.

:roll: Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.
I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

I totally agree. But to visit a country known to harbor the worst terrorists? It really doesnt make OUR gov't look good.

Terrorist support by proxy?

"Pelosi herself has ?described the trip as little different than the visit paid to Syria the same week led by Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-VA),? and she went to great lengths to express her unity of purpose with President Bush on terrorism issues. The Post?s own reporting today also cites several instances of members of Congress meeting with foreign leaders during the past 30 years. "

[SARCASM] And in other news Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA), Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA), and Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-AL) are being denounced by President Bush for visiting Syria.[/SARCASM]:roll:

Nvm, I see that you are trying to discredit a liberal newspaper with a liberal website.

Good advice. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read the whole rebuttal article I linked to. You know the one titled "Washington Post Misleads, Contradicts Own Reporting, To Attack Pelosi.".

Your source does not have any proof that the Post was wrong, its just a bunch of "he said, she said". I guess it depends on who you want to believe, a liberal newspaper or a liberal website.

 

[LegendKiller]

I love how people are getting all bent out of shape about Pelosi "overstepping her bounds".

However, a President who oversteps his by ignoring the Constitution and saying that Congress has no authority over the military is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring civil liberties is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring privacy, free speach, right to jury and representation, his not overstepping his bounds. Finally, ignoring that he is part of thee equal branches, none with more power than the other, oversteps the boundaries of not only the intent, spirit, but actual letter of the Constitution.

Yes, none of the 2nd paragraph is overstepping boundaries, but making a single stupid trip to a ME country to try and end this admins idiotic policies is *SO* horrible.


Wow, great double standard!

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

Agreed. Pelosi should be stripped of her speakership. She was not elected to be Secretary of State or Ambassador to Syria (or anywhere else). It's a total disgrace.

Where did she say she is ambassador to Syria? Speaker of the House can fly anywhere and meet with anyone she wants, just like you and I.

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I love how people are getting all bent out of shape about Pelosi "overstepping her bounds".

However, a President who oversteps his by ignoring the Constitution and saying that Congress has no authority over the military is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring civil liberties is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring privacy, free speach, right to jury and representation, his not overstepping his bounds. Finally, ignoring that he is part of thee equal branches, none with more power than the other, oversteps the boundaries of not only the intent, spirit, but actual letter of the Constitution.

Yes, none of the 2nd paragraph is overstepping boundaries, but making a single stupid trip to a ME country to try and end this admins idiotic policies is *SO* horrible.


Wow, great double standard!

Well Congress can not "tell" him what to do with troops once they declare war (as it applies to that country war is declared on) they do however hold the power of money over the troops which can force the President to do what they want in the end, they just look bad for pulling funding from our troops.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I love how people are getting all bent out of shape about Pelosi "overstepping her bounds".

However, a President who oversteps his by ignoring the Constitution and saying that Congress has no authority over the military is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring civil liberties is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring privacy, free speach, right to jury and representation, his not overstepping his bounds. Finally, ignoring that he is part of thee equal branches, none with more power than the other, oversteps the boundaries of not only the intent, spirit, but actual letter of the Constitution.

Yes, none of the 2nd paragraph is overstepping boundaries, but making a single stupid trip to a ME country to try and end this admins idiotic policies is *SO* horrible.


Wow, great double standard!

Hey, if it was good enough for FDR, it's good enough for GWB.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

That all may be true but how can she do any worse the administration of the last 7 years???

thats not the point...in fact your response is irrelevant...you must be assimulated!!

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Citrix
she has no business going over there, none, nada... she is the speaker of the house she is not a diplomat of foreign relation. she totally over stepped her bounds and stamped on the office of the president and i dont care who is in office. she was wrong and should be thrown out period.

Agreed. Pelosi should be stripped of her speakership. She was not elected to be Secretary of State or Ambassador to Syria (or anywhere else). It's a total disgrace.

Where did she say she is ambassador to Syria? Speaker of the House can fly anywhere and meet with anyone she wants, just like you and I.

Agreed. And talking never hurt anyone. If she has no power to officially broker deals, what is the harm?

 

[tomywishbone]

Yes! I'm really mad about this!:|

bushcheneyrummy invade, occupy and kill 10's-of-thousands. They systematically destroy an entire country. OK... whatever.

Nancy goes to Damascus... Disgrace! Kill! I'm ashamed to be an American!

Who gives a rats ass about Nancy's road trip.

bush is laughing harder than ever at all of us.

 

[chowderhead]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/05/africa/ME-GEN-Syria-US.php">U.S. President George W. Bush had failed to promote the dialogue that is necessary to resolve disagreements between the United States and Syria.
</a>

Did Nancy Pelosi say this?
Nope.

Rep. Darryl Issa (R-CA) told reporters after separate meetings with Assad and Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moalle, "That's an important message to realize: We have tensions, but we have two functioning embassies."

or what about Ohio congressman defends Pelosi trip

U.S. Rep. Dave Hobson, the only Republican to accompany the Democratic speaker, said Pelosi "did not engage in any bashing of Bush in any meeting I was in and she did not in any meeting I was in bash the policies as it relates to Syria."

Hobson, of Springfield, said the trip accomplished two things.

"We reinforced the administration's positions and at the same time we were trying to understand and maybe getting some voice to some things people wanted to say that maybe they were not comfortable saying to the administration," Hobson said.

So nothing is said when a Republican goes over there and criticizes the President's policy in a foreign country but people are jump all over Pelosi even as the Republican who was there defended her?

 

[Craig234]

What a bunch of idiotic posts saying members of congress should not visit other nations and have political contact.

They always have and they should. Too bad people like Bush didn't have more experience with foreign relations, his policies might have been less disastrous.

A specific act can be criticized - if they visit someone they shouldn't, say something they shouldn't, criticize that, but that doesn't mean members should not travel.

If the president does poorly as commander in chief, should presidents no longer be able to be commander in chief?

If Congress passes spending for a bad item, should Congress no longer pass budgets?

The hypocrisy of the White House criticizing her and not the republicans who visited shows the blatant hypocrisy based on politics of their attack.

The statements of the republicans, and of many experts, about the benefits of dialogue with Syria, show that there's clearly an argument for more dialogue.

As for making a mistake in diplomacy, this administration has no place to talk.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Give me a break, all she can do is talk to them to get a sense of what they think. It will help to understand the Arab point of view and I believe more Lawmakers should be doing this along with making visits to Iran.

Why do our legislative members need know about Syria? I found myself initially agreeing with you, but then thought wait! What bills are they passing in Congrees about Syria? I can't think of any?

Other than giving away our money to foreign countries (and I don't believe Syria gets any) I'm not sure whay Congress has do with it.

Am I forgeting something?

I think she doing a good job going over there and I think more American Law Makers should do the same thing, that also goes for Iran. If they just

Haha, I think she looks like foreign policy nOOb she is. Clearly it was huge blunder, one that would cause tremendous emabarrassment were she actually a diplomat.

But I don't think she did any real harm. Be pretty hard to screw up the ME any worse than it is now.

 

[redgtxdi]

Thanks to Fern.............and to further the original point............


I don't think that many of the lib respondents here are actually watching the clip I posted in the OP, so I'm gonna cut & paste some here that I think is relevant as to WHY it was not a good idea for Nancy to fly her ass over there & start opening her pie-hole.......

Glenn: Okay. Is she a peace-maker, is she a trouble-maker? Brigitte Gabriel, the president of American Congress for Truth, author of "BECAUSE THEY HATE" A Survivors of Islamic Terror Warns America. See -- I'm a conservative who is not going to come out and say the democrats hate America because I don't think they do. How could she be this wrong? How do you possibly see Assad as anything as somebody who harbors terrorists?

Brigitte: Well, let's just say, Glenn, she's misguided. I'm sure she's a patriotic American and loves this country but she sees things differently than you and I do. She does not understand the Middle East and has no concept. If she did, she would not be parading down the streets of Damascus in a hijab.

Glenn: What is she missing? What do you know that she doesn't know?

Brigitte: She needs to realize Syria has no interest in negotiating with the United States. Syria is using Nancy Pelosi as a puppet and a photo-op to give Syria credibility on the world stage, so Syria is not looked at as a dictatorship or as an axis of evil or as a terror-harboring state but as a state that the Speaker of the House of the United States goes and visit and gives them credibility and say, you know, we agree with you. We want to negotiate with you. We do not think our president is right in judging you, and, therefore, we're going above our president to give you credibility and to show you and the world that we are representing the American government and we think that you are okay. That is wrong.

Does that help clear up for anybody why it was wrong???

Like I said........bless her heart for thinkin' she could do something, I agree.....I don't think she hates the U.S.........BUT.......I think she's misdirecting her overzealous tendencies to do anything to shame this Presidency and in the process is making herself look like an absolute idiot.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I love how people are getting all bent out of shape about Pelosi "overstepping her bounds".

However, a President who oversteps his by ignoring the Constitution and saying that Congress has no authority over the military is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring civil liberties is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring privacy, free speach, right to jury and representation, his not overstepping his bounds. Finally, ignoring that he is part of thee equal branches, none with more power than the other, oversteps the boundaries of not only the intent, spirit, but actual letter of the Constitution.

Yes, none of the 2nd paragraph is overstepping boundaries, but making a single stupid trip to a ME country to try and end this admins idiotic policies is *SO* horrible.


Wow, great double standard!

Well Congress can not "tell" him what to do with troops once they declare war (as it applies to that country war is declared on) they do however hold the power of money over the troops which can force the President to do what they want in the end, they just look bad for pulling funding from our troops.

AUMF != declaration of war.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I love how people are getting all bent out of shape about Pelosi "overstepping her bounds".

However, a President who oversteps his by ignoring the Constitution and saying that Congress has no authority over the military is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring civil liberties is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring privacy, free speach, right to jury and representation, his not overstepping his bounds. Finally, ignoring that he is part of thee equal branches, none with more power than the other, oversteps the boundaries of not only the intent, spirit, but actual letter of the Constitution.

Yes, none of the 2nd paragraph is overstepping boundaries, but making a single stupid trip to a ME country to try and end this admins idiotic policies is *SO* horrible.


Wow, great double standard!

Hey, if it was good enough for FDR, it's good enough for GWB.

Please show where war wasn't declared against Japan and Germany.

 

[rchiu]

Haha, I find it funny that the right/conservative/Bush people criticize Pelosi for a short visits, saying a few words and trying to be diplomatic and trying to get Syria and Israel to talk.

So how many American soldier's life did her actions/decision cause exactly?
How much tax dollar did her action cost exactly?
How many ME people died because of her action/decision exactly?
How many countries went into civil war because of her action exactly?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Haha, I find it funny that the right/conservative/Bush people criticize Pelosi for a short visits, saying a few words and trying to be diplomatic and trying to get Syria and Israel to talk.

So how many American soldier's life did her actions/decision cause exactly?
How much tax dollar did her action cost exactly?
How many ME people died because of her action/decision exactly?
How many countries went into civil war because of her action exactly?

Good point, no one should be criticized unless they meet that criteria. Every thread has to be a GWB bashing thread.

 

[Red Dawn]

People here are whining because she's talking to Syria, a sponsor of Syria. Well that didn't seem to matter much during Desert Storm when they were our Allies against Iraq. Talking to them back then got them to co=operate with us against another Arab State. Maybe if we were to talk to them now we could convince them to help us against Al Qaeda.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: rchiu
Haha, I find it funny that the right/conservative/Bush people criticize Pelosi for a short visits, saying a few words and trying to be diplomatic and trying to get Syria and Israel to talk.

So how many American soldier's life did her actions/decision cause exactly?
How much tax dollar did her action cost exactly?
How many ME people died because of her action/decision exactly?
How many countries went into civil war because of her action exactly?

Good point, no one should be criticized unless they meet that criteria. Every thread has to be a GWB bashing thread.

Heh,you can criticize anyone all you want. Except when you jump all over someone when all she did was being diplomatic and keep quiet when someone else cause all kinds of havoc, that make you a hypocrite.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I love how people are getting all bent out of shape about Pelosi "overstepping her bounds".

However, a President who oversteps his by ignoring the Constitution and saying that Congress has no authority over the military is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring civil liberties is not overstepping his bounds. Ignoring privacy, free speach, right to jury and representation, his not overstepping his bounds. Finally, ignoring that he is part of thee equal branches, none with more power than the other, oversteps the boundaries of not only the intent, spirit, but actual letter of the Constitution.

Yes, none of the 2nd paragraph is overstepping boundaries, but making a single stupid trip to a ME country to try and end this admins idiotic policies is *SO* horrible.


Wow, great double standard!

Hey, if it was good enough for FDR, it's good enough for GWB.

Please show where war wasn't declared against Japan and Germany.

I was speaking more generally about FDR's views on the Constitution. Read up on his Court-packing bill, just for one example. Funny how the Supreme Court cases seemed to go his way after that. The Supremes paid a very high price for the preservation of the rule of 9.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Haha, I find it funny that the right/conservative/Bush people criticize Pelosi for a short visits, saying a few words and trying to be diplomatic and trying to get Syria and Israel to talk.

I find it funny that Democrats accept it when members of their party engage in behavior that extends beyond the mandate of their position.

So how many American soldier's life did her actions/decision cause exactly?
How much tax dollar did her action cost exactly? How many ME people died because of her action/decision exactly? How many countries went into civil war because of her action exactly?

The answer to all of these questions is: too soon to tell...what Pelosi did manage to do is send a mixed message in terms of America's diplomatic stance...Condi has been active in the region for the past several months...which is her job last I checked.

Pelosi goes for the photo op to make it seem like the Democrats are working SOME kind of solution for the Middle East...sorry, not buying it...maybe she should have waited a week, and flown into the region dressed like the Easter bunny.