Here We Go Again...Another House Allowed To Burn

[zinfamous]

Because you have inadequate health care.

I'm a student who isn't eligible to pay taxes yet, I will when I'm out of Uni. It's all good.

We have the best healthcare in the world...if you can afford it or if you live in the right place.

We also have free healthcare, and we have mediocre care.

In fact, we're the only country in the world where you can find every known model of healthcare in practice.

We have the best healthcare, and we have the worst healthcare. we have everyone's healthcare.

 

[HAL9000]

We have the best healthcare in the world...if you can afford it or if you live in the right place.

We also have free healthcare, and we have mediocre care.

In fact, we're the only country in the world where you can find every known model of healthcare in practice.

We have the best healthcare, and we have the worst healthcare. we have everyone's healthcare.

Interesting, I just hear such terrible stories about healthcare in america, people being forced to pay $250 to use an ambulance, people being turned away for not having insurance. Etc etc etc. The notion that if you break your arm it's going to be expensive is insane to me, the thought that contracting cancer will possibly bankrupt me is insane.

My friend has private dental care and had to pay £180 for a filling the other week, the silence amongst our group when he told us and we all stared at him in disbelief. I can't comprehend it. My brother has just moved to America and he is having to deal with all this crap.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Yes it is. He chose not to pay. That is life. He took a gamble, and statistically he probably would have been okay. Unfortunately a long tail end event occured and he got nailed by the fire. And when shit goes wrong it goes wrong bad quickly.

Thats what happens when you are long trailerhome and naked short fire and god decides to exercize his option to burn down a trailer. Unfortunately the random trailer chosen was the one with no insurance.

BWAHAHAHA!!! God... good one.

 

[jlee]

Christ no, not unless absolutely necessary.

I'm curious, how much extra do you pay for a fire department up in the Bay area?

I'm curious, how much do you pay for property taxes when compared to Obion County residents?

Here's the search results for Cranick (previous incident) - looks like his property taxes for 2011 were $139. $412 in 2010 (makes me think it's the right place, if tax dropped once the mobile home was gone):

And Bell (not sure which one is Vicky):

 

[JulesMaximus]

Interesting, I just hear such terrible stories about healthcare in america, people being forced to pay $250 to use an ambulance, people being turned away for not having insurance. Etc etc etc. The notion that if you break your arm it's going to be expensive is insane to me, the thought that contracting cancer will possibly bankrupt me is insane.

My friend has private dental care and had to pay £180 for a filling the other week, the silence amongst our group when he told us and we all stared at him in disbelief. I can't comprehend it. My brother has just moved to America and he is having to deal with all this crap.

I spent $900 for dental work just last month... and I have healthcare.

And $250 for an ambulance ride? More like $1,000.

 

[HAL9000]

I spent $900 for dental work just last month... and I have healthcare.

And $250 for an ambulance ride? More like $1,000.

My face literally just dropped when you said that.

The grand total for all of that stuff for me would be: £35.

 

[gevorg]

The TN couple should be grateful that firefighters actually came in case there was someone in danger. If they had any decent cash at hand, like a few grand, they probably could have made a deal with firefighters to put down the fire. Money talks, always.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm curious, how much do you pay for property taxes when compared to Obion County residents?

Here's the search results for Cranick (previous incident) - looks like his property taxes for 2011 were $139. $412 in 2010 (makes me think it's the right place, if tax dropped once the mobile home was gone):

And Bell (not sure which one is Vicky):

I pay about $2500/year in property taxes. Which is why I'd be off the fucking hook if my local fire department started billing me extra for fire coverage.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I spent $900 for dental work just last month... and I have healthcare.

And $250 for an ambulance ride? More like $1,000.

Your dental insurance sucks. I had close to $500 of work done last month, all covered by my dental insurance.

 

[zinfamous]

Interesting, I just hear such terrible stories about healthcare in america, people being forced to pay $250 to use an ambulance, people being turned away for not having insurance. Etc etc etc. The notion that if you break your arm it's going to be expensive is insane to me, the thought that contracting cancer will possibly bankrupt me is insane.

My friend has private dental care and had to pay £180 for a filling the other week, the silence amongst our group when he told us and we all stared at him in disbelief. I can't comprehend it. My brother has just moved to America and he is having to deal with all this crap.

again: you want to fix a broken arm? it will be done here, immediately. IN the UK--wait a week or two.

Cancer? you're getting scanned and put through routine within the week. boom.

It all depends on what you're talking about the UK and Japan and France are much better with general healthcare--the day to day stuff that most Americans take for granted and if practiced, would actually improve their lives drastically and reduce the chances of catastrophic care.

For those that are insured, this isn't a problem. But tons of people only go to the doctor when they absolutely need to, which ends up costing them more had they gone regularly, or simply taken the initiative to take better care of themselves. Medicine, as practiced from country to country, is also quite different. We tend to push tests (not always a good thing), and opt for the big fix for potentially minor problems. Surgery? no problem. Go to a UK doc with an aching back at age 47? Doc: does that really ruin your life? stiff upper lip, chap!

--that's not exactly wrong, of course, it's simply a different philosophy of treatment, and life, really.

Thing is, we have shit-tons of money in this industry, and shit tons of highly trained, well-paid specialists that no one can match anywhere else. For any major procedure, there is a US hospital or institute that does it better than anywhere else. period.

This argument you make is silly, as it merely addresses a tiny hair of the issue, and speaks to nothing about "better" or "quality" or "coverage."

And you still think it's free for you?

lulz.

 

[pcgeek11]

wtf?, since when does someone need to pay a special fee for the firefighters that is above and beyond the long list of taxes and fees they already pay in this country? The firefighters don't only relie on these fees do they? I find it hard to believe this couple didn't in some way contribute the funding of the fire department that stood by and watched this burn.

Why not charge $750, $7,500,... if the alternative is letting your home burn...

Jesus, what a terrible idea and trajedy of government in this case. Put out the fucking fire you dipshits.

The fire department is paid by City Taxes to cover the City Residents... People that live in the County Outside the City Limits are not paying this tax/fee. There by they have to pay the 75 dollar yearly fee to be included in the coverage. What is unfair about it? They know about it but refuse to pay it. That is stupid. It would be another matter if they stood by and allowed someone to burn to death, but that is not the case here. The people that didn't pay their fire dues are the dipshits.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Your dental insurance sucks. I had close to $500 of work done last month, all covered by my dental insurance.

And I pay $1000 extra annually for the PPO dental plan. Two crowns... $900 out of pocket. Cleanings are covered 100% though.

Welcome to amerika. Sometimes I fucking hate this country.

 

[HAL9000]

again: you want to fix a broken arm? it will be done here, immediately. IN the UK--wait a week or two.

WOAH! Where the hell did you get that, break an arm, it'll be done in 45 minutes.

Cancer? you're getting scanned and put through routine within the week. boom.

Boom, snap. Same.

It all depends on what you're talking about the UK and Japan and France are much better with general healthcare--the day to day stuff that most Americans take for granted and if practiced, would actually improve their lives drastically and reduce the chances of catastrophic care.

For those that are insured, this isn't a problem. But tons of people only go to the doctor when they absolutely need to, which ends up costing them more had they gone regularly, or simply taken the initiative to take better care of themselves. Medicine, as practiced from country to country, is also quite different. We tend to push tests (not always a good thing), and opt for the big fix for potentially minor problems. Surgery? no problem. Go to a UK doc with an aching back at age 47? Doc: does that really ruin your life? stiff upper lip, chap!

That's possible, we don't jump to perform surgery.

--that's not exactly wrong, of course, it's simply a different philosophy of treatment, and life, really.

True.

Thing is, we have shit-tons of money in this industry, and shit tons of highly trained, well-paid specialists that no one can match anywhere else. For any major procedure, there is a US hospital or institute that does it better than anywhere else. period.

I'd like to see some data on that.

This argument you make is silly, as it merely addresses a tiny hair of the issue, and speaks to nothing about "better" or "quality" or "coverage."

And you still think it's free for you?

lulz.

Free maybe not for everyone. But you don't have to pay for it.

 

[zinfamous]

The TN couple should be grateful that firefighters actually came in case there was someone in danger. If they had any decent cash at hand, like a few grand, they probably could have made a deal with firefighters to put down the fire. Money talks, always.

All of it probably burned up in the fire.

trailer, country, unwilling to pay for fire protection...these details don't lead me to conclude that they were the banking sort.

 

[ThatsABigOne]

I pay about $2500/year in property taxes. Which is why I'd be off the fucking hook if my local fire department started billing me extra for fire coverage.

Lucky fuck. 6000 dollars here per year in Park City, Utah for 1/2 acre of land.

 

[Lifted]

My face literally just dropped when you said that.

The grand total for all of that stuff for me would be: £35.

And for your £35 you get

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7071660.stm

People in the UK face longer waits for non-emergency surgery and struggle to see GPs out-of-hours compared with other western countries, a survey says.

The UK also has the worst record for waiting times with 15% having to wait for more than six months for elective treatment.

Some 55% of UK patients said they had had difficulty getting access to GP care on weekends and nights.

http://www.trcb.com/health-and-fitness/healthcare-systems/englands-health-care-system-2505.htm

England's health care system has many different aspects to it and overall I would feel uncomfortable to have to rely on the English's health care system for anything other than getting me two aspirin and a cup of water.

. Overall England's health care system has its ups and its downs; however for most of the population of London who does not do health care privately I would say England is committing genocide among the people in low socioeconomic levels.

London is the largest problem area for health care in England. If you call for an ambulance there is little to no chance unless you are straight up dying that an ambulance will show up. They do not have enough ambulances, or EMT's to provide a real service to London's citizens.

http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/uk-defends-rationed-health-care-as-more.html

Katie Brickell, 26, who has campaigned to raise awareness of cervical cancer since she was diagnosed with an "incurable" form of the disease three years ago, recorded a video telling Americans how she was "badly let down" by the British system.


Mrs Brickell, first asked for a smear test at the age of 19 but was told she didn't need one until she was 20-years-old. A year later, when she returned to her doctor, she was told that the age had been raised to 25. At 23, she was diagnosed with an incurable cervical cancer.

Enjoy your "free" healthcare.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

again: you want to fix a broken arm? it will be done here, immediately. IN the UK--wait a week or two.

Cancer? you're getting scanned and put through routine within the week. boom.

It all depends on what you're talking about the UK and Japan and France are much better with general healthcare--the day to day stuff that most Americans take for granted and if practiced, would actually improve their lives drastically and reduce the chances of catastrophic care.

For those that are insured, this isn't a problem. But tons of people only go to the doctor when they absolutely need to, which ends up costing them more had they gone regularly, or simply taken the initiative to take better care of themselves. Medicine, as practiced from country to country, is also quite different. We tend to push tests (not always a good thing), and opt for the big fix for potentially minor problems. Surgery? no problem. Go to a UK doc with an aching back at age 47? Doc: does that really ruin your life? stiff upper lip, chap!

--that's not exactly wrong, of course, it's simply a different philosophy of treatment, and life, really.

Thing is, we have shit-tons of money in this industry, and shit tons of highly trained, well-paid specialists that no one can match anywhere else. For any major procedure, there is a US hospital or institute that does it better than anywhere else. period.

This argument you make is silly, as it merely addresses a tiny hair of the issue, and speaks to nothing about "better" or "quality" or "coverage."

And you still think it's free for you?

lulz.

2 weeks for a broken arm? Fail.
No tests? Fail.
No back surgery? Fail.
Poor Cancer treatment? Fail.

You have absolutely no idea how UHC works. Please stop making yourself look like an idiot.

 

[jlee]

I pay about $2500/year in property taxes. Which is why I'd be off the fucking hook if my local fire department started billing me extra for fire coverage.

Bingo. You're not paying $412/yr, so you actually get something for your money.

 

[Lifted]

I pay about $2500/year in property taxes. Which is why I'd be off the fucking hook if my local fire department started billing me extra for fire coverage.

LOL. Move to some towns in Westchester or Fairfield. More like $35k - $50k per year.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Delays in hospital treatment in England grow

The number of people waiting more than four hours in A&E in England has nearly doubled in the past year, according to Department of Health figures.

If you spent more time trolling UK forums, you might have more of a clue about your own country.

 

[HAL9000]

And for your £35 you get

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7071660.stm








http://www.trcb.com/health-and-fitness/healthcare-systems/englands-health-care-system-2505.htm







http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/uk-defends-rationed-health-care-as-more.html




Enjoy your "free" healthcare.

1) wait time at my GP's office is about 20 minutes.
2) You should have to wait for elective surgery.
3) GP's aren't generally opens on weekends or nights... Errm... So? If it's not an Emergency why do you need to go on the weekend or at night?
4) Someone I've never heard of doesn't like it... So?
5) Unverifiable drivel
6) Unverifiable drivel
7) it failed 1 person, I'm sure that's never happened in America?

I do enjoy my free healthcare, I think that's covered every issue you raised. Sorted.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Delays in hospital treatment in England grow



If you spent more time trolling UK forums, you might have more of a clue about your own country.

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/07/26/Average-US-ER-wait-time-4-plus-hours/UPI-76891280122494/

"Average U.S. ER wait time 4-plus hours"

 

[HAL9000]

Delays in hospital treatment in England grow



If you spent more time trolling UK forums, you might have more of a clue about your own country.

Hell yeah if you're in A&E for something not major you'll wait 4 hours, people are always in there for cuts and scrapes and made to wait... I was in there with a dislocated knee three weeks ago. It took 25 minutes.

 

[zinfamous]

2 weeks for a broken arm? Fail.
No tests? Fail.
No back surgery? Fail.
Poor Cancer treatment? Fail.

You have absolutely no idea how UHC works. Please stop making yourself look like an idiot.

I see you completely misread my comments.

I'd expect that from someone that lived upside-down, though.

Also, we have universal healthcare. We have your system, dingleberry, and we have all other systems. Don't even try...

 

[HAL9000]

I see you completely misread my comments.

I'd expect that from someone that lived upside-down, though.

Also, we have universal healthcare. We have your system, dingleberry, and we have all other systems. Don't even try...

Seriously though, where did you get the two weeks for a broken arm thing?