Here is how controlling the post office can steal the election

[Thump553]

Just saw on TV that CA's laws provide that as long as mail in ballot envelope is postmarked by election day it's eligible to be counted as long as received within 17 days of election day. That's not true in some other states. I heard that some demand to have received by election day.

Here's a real potential problem. These ballots are sent out and returned by bulk mail. The USPS never (or at least hardly ever) postmarks bulk mail, so no proof therefore excluded ballot. Perhaps you could solve this by putting a stamp on your return, but I've personally gotten lots of stamped mail that isn't postmarked.

Getting the ballot mailed to you then dropping it off in an official ballot collection box is probably the best solution.

 

[Thump553]

They have more machines, a lot more. It's a small reduction in capacity and totally suspect at the same time.

They already removed (and almost certainly damaged if not destroyed) over 700 machines, machines that are reported to cost millions each. I doubt we have 700 new machines sitting around in warehouses. Even if we did, I presume installing them takes skilled workers and not a small amount of time.

Trump will certainly walk slow on any repairs to the USPS, no matter what he says on any particular day.

This is a bald faced power grab, Soviet style.I'd love to hear a peaceful solution, but haven't heard any sort of feasible proposal yet. Best solution I've heard is Obama's proposal that young, healthy people volunteer to be poll workers. I'd love it if GWB and other substantial GOP leaders joined in on that proposal.

Given the sacrifices our forefathers went through to protect us from a past tyrannical king, if standing in a line is what it takes to remove this one, I say game on.

 

[UNCjigga]

They already removed (and almost certainly damaged if not destroyed) over 700 machines, machines that are reported to cost millions each. I doubt we have 700 new machines sitting around in warehouses. Even if we did, I presume installing them takes skilled workers and not a small amount of time.

Trump will certainly walk slow on any repairs to the USPS, no matter what he says on any particular day.

This is a bald faced power grab, Soviet style.I'd love to hear a peaceful solution, but haven't heard any sort of feasible proposal yet. Best solution I've heard is Obama's proposal that young, healthy people volunteer to be poll workers. I'd love it if GWB and other substantial GOP leaders joined in on that proposal.

Given the sacrifices our forefathers went through to protect us from a past tyrannical king, if standing in a line is what it takes to remove this one, I say game on.

The sorting machines are like magical iron—there is a HUGE secondary market for used machines and they have lifespans stretching many decades if properly maintained. Buying them new is prohibitively expensive as there are far fewer vendors nowadays and pricing keeps going up. I know this because I worked in the postal industry.

Now the scuttlebutt is that these machines were destroyed upon removal. That is not normal. Even if these machines were older, less efficient and due to be replaced, there would be a buyer. Print shops, e-commerce vendors and large corporations handling mailings in-house are always searching for equipment.

Basically, if they indeed destroyed the sorting machines there is no other explanation than pure sabotage.

 

[Thump553]

UNCjigga: I know nothing about these sorting machines other than what I saw in a two minute TV blurb. Are they the sort of machinery that can be uninstalled and removed in haste without substantial damage resulting? They look like reasonably high tech, precision machines.

 

[nickqt]

Vote early at an early voting location.

Vote like your life depends on it, because it does.

Freedom ain't free.

 

[K1052]

Pelosi is talking about bringing the House back to pass emergency legislation.

 

[Thump553]

Vote early at an early voting location.

Vote like your life depends on it, because it does.

Freedom ain't free.

Good sentiments, but some states (like mine) don't have early voting at all. Also, think of the people in the military and overseas-they HAVE to vote by mail. Also think of spectacle of Milwaukee in the primary this spring-where the number of voting places was reduced from 180 to FIVE-apparently mostly because the elderly poll workers rightfully didn't want to risk their lives.

My personal plan is to apply for a mail in ballot as soon as I can, then drop it off myself at the town collection box. I did a test run for the primary (held August 11th) and my wife and I got our ballots less than a week before the primary, and several weeks after we mailed in our requests. If I get vote-blocked by Trump, I'll stand in line for as long as it takes.

One thing is for certain-President Bonespurs will be able to vote by mail, and his ballot will sail through unobstructed.

 

[UNCjigga]

UNCjigga: I know nothing about these sorting machines other than what I saw in a two minute TV blurb. Are they the sort of machinery that can be uninstalled and removed in haste without substantial damage resulting? They look like reasonably high tech, precision machines.

Proper installation and deinstallation can be a multi-day affair with skilled technicians involved. Depends on the configuration—ie how many conveyor belts and what type of mail it’s configured for.

 

[nickqt]

Good sentiments, but some states (like mine) don't have early voting at all. Also, think of the people in the military and overseas-they HAVE to vote by mail. Also think of spectacle of Milwaukee in the primary this spring-where the number of voting places was reduced from 180 to FIVE-apparently mostly because the elderly poll workers rightfully didn't want to risk their lives.

My personal plan is to apply for a mail in ballot as soon as I can, then drop it off myself at the town collection box. I did a test run for the primary (held August 11th) and my wife and I got our ballots less than a week before the primary, and several weeks after we mailed in our requests. If I get vote-blocked by Trump, I'll stand in line for as long as it takes.

One thing is for certain-President Bonespurs will be able to vote by mail, and his ballot will sail through unobstructed.

Obviously everyone can't.

But if you can, you should.

Assuming your vote is going to be counted if you vote by mail is a mistake that Trump is openly saying.

Believe him.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Unfortunately, I see a civil war on the horizon.

If the social media hysterics continue that are laying the seeds for people to question the legitimacy of the election regardless of the outcome, there will be.

 

[cytg111]

If the social media hysterics continue that are laying the seeds for people to question the legitimacy of the election regardless of the outcome, there will be.

Social media as in Twitter?
Twitter as in one specific account?
Yea.

 

[theeedude]

If the social media hysterics continue that are laying the seeds for people to question the legitimacy of the election regardless of the outcome, there will be.

Trump is busy disqualifying himself even if he wins by openly sabotaging the post office and the election. Can you imaging come Nov, huge percentages of ballots are stuck at USPS and arrive too late to be counted as a result, and SCOTUS says that's OK? Are people just going to accept the legitimacy of such an election? Hell no. The country needs functioning courts to ensure consent of the governed, but GOP SCOTUS is so drunk on power and vote suppression that it won't rest until Roberts becomes Taney 2.0 and this country is at a civil war. It's not that far off, the people are fed up.

 

[Jhhnn]

If the social media hysterics continue that are laying the seeds for people to question the legitimacy of the election regardless of the outcome, there will be.

It's all driven by Trump. We just need to give him an incontestable ass whipping, and I think we will.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Trump is busy disqualifying himself even if he wins by openly sabotaging the post office and the election. Can you imaging come Nov, huge percentages of ballots are stuck at USPS and arrive too late to be counted as a result, and SCOTUS says that's OK? Are people just going to accept the legitimacy of such an election? Hell no. The country needs functioning courts to ensure consent of the governed, but GOP SCOTUS is so drunk on power and vote suppression that it won't rest until Roberts becomes Taney 2.0 and this country is at a civil war. It's not that far off, the people are fed up.

The more likely outcome is that Trump loses in a landslide. There will perhaps be some pockets of his followers that will reject this outcome, a few may even resort to violence, but they will be quickly snuffed out.

I don’t fear violence if Trump loses. I fear the violence if he somehow manages to win.

 

[theeedude]

The more likely outcome is that Trump loses in a landslide. There will perhaps be some pockets of his followers that will reject this outcome, a few may even resort to violence, but they will be quickly snuffed out.

I don’t fear violence if Trump loses. I fear the violence if he somehow manages to win.

You are going to see vote suppression like you have never seen. This SCOTUS is encouraging it, after gutting voting rights act. It's height of stupidity since they have lifetime appointments, but they can't help themselves in undermining their own legitimacy.

 

[HomerJS]

The more likely outcome is that Trump loses in a landslide. There will perhaps be some pockets of his followers that will reject this outcome, a few may even resort to violence, but they will be quickly snuffed out.

I don’t fear violence if Trump loses. I fear the violence if he somehow manages to win.

I think who ever wins if it's close there could be violence.

A Biden blowout will prevent that

 

[nickqt]

I think who ever wins if it's close there could be violence.

A Biden blowout will prevent that

And the goal is for a close election either way so that they can react to mass protests with mass violence. Portland was a test case.

 

[theeedude]

I think who ever wins if it's close there could be violence.

A Biden blowout will prevent that

I just don't see how a Trump victory will be accepted given what he and GOP has already openly done to suppress the vote and rig the election. The burden of proof will be in him to show the election was fair and legitimate.

 

[theeedude]

And the goal is for a close election either way so that they can react to mass protests with mass violence. Portland was a test case.

Those things tend to blow up in the regime's face. Innocents will be killed, it will be all over the news, there is no coming back from that for Trump or GOP. Trump is not a skilled dictator to manage the chaos and his hold on power is already weak.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You are going to see vote suppression like you have never seen. This SCOTUS is encouraging it, after gutting voting rights act. It's height of stupidity since they have lifetime appointments, but they can't help themselves in undermining their own legitimacy.

We have the most brilliant tech minds in the world. We have apps that let us change our age and gender from a cell phone selfie, we can interact via digital worlds with their own complex economies and communities, yet we can’t figure out how to make elections readily accessible via online voting and a federal holiday.

 

[cytg111]

Yea, if Trump wins by a small margin...

 

[Paratus]

Here’s a headline that didn’t age well.

 

[HomerJS]

We have the most brilliant tech minds in the world. We have apps that let us change our age and gender from a cell phone selfie, we can interact via digital worlds with their own complex economies and communities, yet we can’t figure out how to make elections readily accessible via online voting and a federal holiday.

We can figure it out but some people just don't want it. Unfortunately those people are in charge of the Senate

 

[nickqt]

Those things tend to blow up in the regime's face. Innocents will be killed, it will be all over the news, there is no coming back from that for Trump or GOP. Trump is not a skilled dictator to manage the chaos and his hold on power is already weak.

Your argument is logical and rational.

You project that logic and reason to Republicans, Trump and the Trump administration reacting to mass protests in a close win by Trump, who just got re-elected and reaffirmed as the rightful authority figure.

I mean, you can go with that if you want, but I'm going to assume the opposite, based on all of history.

 

[theeedude]

Your argument is logical and rational.

You project that logic and reason to Republicans, Trump and the Trump administration reacting to mass protests in a close win by Trump, who just got re-elected and reaffirmed as the rightful authority figure.

I mean, you can go with that if you want, but I'm going to assume the opposite, based on all of history.

Look at Belarus that guy is a professional thug with 30 years of experience, dead political opponents in his wake , and a complicit police state, and even he's having a hard time controlling the situation. Trump is a joke.