Helen Thomas, idiot anti-semite

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Perknose

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Humorous that decades of spewing the same hatred against Republicans and conservatives was perfectly acceptable...

Nice try at rewriting history, but Thomas earned her earlier position by asking the hard questions of ALL Presidents of both parties, not just Republicans and conservatives as you want us to selectively believe.

AND she didn't "spew hate", she just consistently stood up for the right of the American people to know and asked the hard questions.

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I covered two presidents, LBJ and Nixon, who could no longer convince, persuade, or govern, once people had decided they had no credibility, but we seem to be more tolerant now of what I think we should not tolerate.

Every President hates the Press. <---- NOT Republican Presidents hate the press.

All presidents rail against the press. It goes with the turf.

We in the press have a special role since there is no other institution in our society that can hold the President accountable. I do believe that our democracy can endure and prevail only if the American people are informed.

Every president thinks that all information that comes to the White House is their private preserve after they all promise an open administration on the campaign trail, but some are more secretive than others. Some want to lock down everything.

Andrew Denton: What about Ronald Reagan? Was he a simple man, as he appeared?

Helen Thomas: Nothing&#8230;I don't think he was very simple. I think that he was&#8230;He certainly had deeply conservative convictions by the time he became President&#8230;He really started out as a Democrat. He had been head of the Screen Actors Guild &#8212; president of it &#8212; six times. And, er, I guess, in those days he would have been considered fairly liberal. But he really swung to the right. Not as right as this President [Bush], but certainly conservative.

And, er, he&#8230;he liked being liked. And, er, the American people certainly moved with him. I think there was a Reagan revolution. He did turn our country to the right where it's been ever since.

On Obama: Helen Thomas has covered a lot of presidents, and she&#8217;s not much of a fan of how the current one manages the press. The 89-year-old reporter tells CNS that Obama&#8217;s White House tries to stage-manage news conferences and other media events like no other. &#8220;Nixon didn&#8217;t try to do that,&#8221; Thomas said. &#8220;They couldn&#8217;t control (the media). They didn&#8217;t try.&#8221;

On Gerald Ford: &#8220;Gerald Ford was gentle, very kind. His great aspiration was to be Speaker of the House. He never really aspired to be President, but lightening struck. He turned out to be a good president because he really restored confidence in the Oval Office and a sense of security in the country after the Watergate scandal.&#8221;

  • Rush Limbaugh declared Thomas "Our Woman in Washington" after an incident in which a reporter asked Bill Clinton, "Are you mad at Panetta?", and when he said "What for?", Thomas shouted out, "Because everything's going down the drain... is that true?" Limbaugh augmented the soundbite "Everything's going down the drain" and used it repeatedly on his program. She later asked a White House official, "Is everything going down the drain?" Limbaugh reaffirmed her position as "Our Woman in Washington" when his anonymous correspondent, "Our Man in Washington" got kicked out of a press conference and she came to his aid.
She savaged Bill Clinton any number of other times, you know, when she thought he was wrong or evading or lying.

In her career, Helen Thomas ALWAYS asked the hard questions of WHOMEVER was President.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou7SGNo5QHE#t=1m54s <----- Helen giving Obama's PS holy hell.

Grow up and learn some "nuance." Spew nothing but unresearched partisan political hackery like you just did and pretty soon, you'll dumb yourself down into believing it.
 
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Perknose

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"Helen" is a fairly common name for Greek Orthodox Christians, in Arabia and elsewhere. As for her last name, her father Americanized it from "Antonious" upon immigrating to the US.

As, apparently, the family of Danny Thomas and his daughter Marlo Thomas did as well.
 

kylebisme

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AND she didn't "spew hate", she just consistently stood up for the right of the American people to know and asked the hard questions.
Yeah, it's seems a lot of people confuse standing up for rights with spewing hate. Granted, in this instance her comment was way vulgarly spiteful, but at least she has admitted as much:

I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.
When can we expect to see all the Arab-bashers here say anything like that?
 
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DucatiMonster696

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Yeah, it's seems a lot of people confuse standing up for rights with spewing hate. Granted, in this instance her comment was way vulgarly spiteful, but at least she has admitted as much:


When can we expect to see all the Arab-bashers here to do the same?

So when is Hamas (The government people in Gaza put in power.) going to not indoctrinate kids in the area into believing that Jews are "The enemy of Allah"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFz8DwvJP6Q

Or is it only the Jews who should show tolerance?
 

kylebisme

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Again:

...peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance.
In other words; both Israelis and Palestinians indoctrinate their children with hatred for the "other", and we need to get them working together with us to change that if we are ever to achieve peace in the region.
 
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Perknose

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Yeah, it's seems a lot of people confuse standing up for rights with spewing hate. Granted, in this instance her comment was way vulgarly spiteful, but at least she has admitted as much:

Her history as a press correspondent was a long and storied one of standing up to EVERY President for the public's right to know, but let's be clear here, with her last comments she spewed hate. She went WAY over the line.

But as a working correspondent, she was scrupulous about separating her personal views from her reporting, as this excerpt from the JEWISH Pulitizer Prize winning journalist Saul Friedman makes clear:

The press was lodged in the Best Western Motel, in Americus, Georgia, during the Ford-to-Carter transition. That's when I learned Helen had a great torch-singer's voice as she sang to my wife's piano-playing in the makeshift press room outside the adjoining Red Neck bar.

On New Year's eve, 1976, she got Ford on the phone in Colorado to wish him well. Carter in Plains, eight miles away, refused to take our call, which told us something about him.

Later, during my eight years covering the Reagan presidency, I often sat in Helen's tiny office chatting, and watching her type out her stories. Helen was the daughter (one of nine children) of Lebanese immigrant parents, who raised her in Detroit. And she's never forgotten her roots.

So she was in pain when she had to cover hard-line Israelis visiting the White House whom Reagan admired and supported. She could ask them pointed questions about Israel's latest offensive against Palestinians who had taken refuge in Lebanon. But her feelings never crept into her copy, which was always clean and straight.

That professionalism helped her break the gender barriers at the National Press Club and the good-old-boy Gridiron Club.
 

kylebisme

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She went WAY over the line.
She went way over my line, but then so do the people who say the same thing about Palestinians, including public figures like my Senator. So, where exactly is "the line" you speak of? Best I can tell, our society's "line" wobbles around all over the place depending on what ethnicity it's being applied to.
 

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The majority of Jews living in Israel are White with little to no trace of semitic blood in them. Lets get real here, they are all Euros that belong in Europe, not in the middle east where they think they have some right to be. By that logic, Whites today that have 1/10th Cherokee in them should claim entire states and say it's a homeland for their Cherokee origins..ridiculous.

Actually the majority of Israelis are Sephardic jews...
 

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She went way over my line, but then so do the people who say the same thing about Palestinians, including public figures like my Senator. So, where exactly is "the line" you speak of? Best I can tell, our society's "line" wobbles around all over the place depending on what ethnicity it's being applied to.

So are you defending her bigotry or not? I mean after all lynching happened in parts of the world besides America... so maybe that wasn't such a big deal either?

I've read a bunch of your posts in here, and I don't understand what your point is really... are you saying Thomas is not bigoted? are you saying to declare her bigoted is bigoted? Whats really your point?

And you need to go back and do some homework on the populations of the British Mandate of Palestine... both the Arabs and the Jews there today are for the most part immigrants from the late 1800s-1948. And Jews made up a pretty substantial portion of the population throughout both the Turkish and British periods...

The concept that the jews should leave "Palestine" and go back to Poland and Germany, is unbelievably anti-semetic... anyway you spin it... it's ignorant on every level possible. And it's insulting to those of us who's grandparents and relatives burned in the ovens of those countries.
 

Red Dawn

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Sad way to end a distinguished career. Reminds me of Al Campanis and his career suicide.
 

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Damn, she really is a frightful old hag. She almost makes Hillary Clinton look hot....yikes......
 

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She has got to be one of the ugliest persons on the face of this earth.
 

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On what grounds did you qualify Germany and Poland as "incredibly anti-semitic" then? I'm well aware the fact that there is bigotry all over the world towards all sorts of people, Jews included. However, having lived in Germany for three years when my father was stationed there back in the '80s, I found no more animosity towards Jews there than in here in the US, and best I can tell it hasn't changed much since.

On several sources, but chief among them is a man I know (an academic) who is German but now lives in Poland, is a non-Jew and is probably one of the most objective people I have ever met.

- wolf
 

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I would have to disagree. Some of the most thriving Jewish communities in Europe were around the east of Poland. Well, until the commies got there, and were followed by the Nazis. Don't mistake the usual ethnic ribbing everyone gets in the region with true-blue hate of Jews.

I think you need further study about the history of anti-semitism in eastern Europe. If you think it's just "ethnic ribbing" the way they sometimes refer to Italians as degos, you're sadly mistaken.

- wolf
 

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So when is Hamas (The government people in Gaza put in power.) going to not indoctrinate kids in the area into believing that Jews are "The enemy of Allah"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFz8DwvJP6Q

Or is it only the Jews who should show tolerance?
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Do not be facetious Duca, if you think Hamas has to do a thing to induce Palestinian school age children hatreds of Israeli, you are seriously deluded. Hamas is way too late, those kids learned from the realities of their lives and the Israeli treatment of them and their parents at ever present Israeli check points to viscerally dislike the Israel treatment and domination long before they ever get to school age. And I for one find that understandable.

And believe it not, Israeli school children are trained to hate Palestinians also.

And Psychologists have long ago leaned how to end much of that vicious cycle, and that is to school both groups together, so they are able to learn early that everyone is a person and a fellow human being.
 
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kylebisme

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I've read a bunch of your posts in here, and I don't understand what your point is really... are you saying Thomas is not bigoted?
I'll defer to Harvey to explain:

...Israel is a nation. It does NOT represent all Jewish people, nor do all Jewish people unequivocally support Israel in everything they do.

Thomas's comments weren't elegant, but, by definition, they were definitely NOT anti-semitic. They were about Israel, not Jews, and she's right. Israel is, in fact, an occupier, and hardly a benevolent one. In their arrogance, they are as much a part of the problem as the dumbest, most violent Palestinians.

This mess will never be settled until saner minds from both sides can shove the assholes aside and figure out how to get beyond their past differences and live as peaceful neighbors.
Note that Harvey ended with much the same concussion Thomas stated in her retraction. Now again, when can we expect the many people who unrepentantly say Palestinians should GTFO to be run out of their jobs?

...are you saying to declare her bigoted is bigoted?
No, not inherently. However, continuing to falsely accuse her, even after she retracted her comment, while public figures unrepentantly say the same thing about Palestinians with no such condemnation, does wreak of bigotry.

And you need to go back and do some homework on the populations of the British Mandate of Palestine... both the Arabs and the Jews there today are for the most part immigrants from the late 1800s-1948.
I've done my homework on that subject, while you obviously haven't, as your claim about Arab immigrantion has no basis in reality.
 
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