Helen Thomas, idiot anti-semite

[Doboji]

I'll defer to Harvey to explain:


Note that Harvey ended with much the same concussion Thomas stated in her retraction. Now again, when can we expect the many people who unrepentantly say Palestinians should GTFO to be run out of their jobs?


No, not inherently. However, continuing to falsely accuse her, even after she retracted her comment, while public figures unrepentantly say the same thing about Palestinians with no such condemnation, does wreak of bigotry.


I've done my homework on that subject, while you obviously haven't, as your claim has no basis in reality.

Retracting a statement after a public outcry, does nothing for me. Sorry. You can't make a statement like that and then still claim to be an objective journalist no matter how many times you claim you didn't mean it. It's not "false" accusations of anti-semetism because she decided to retract her comment... She's a bigot. Plain and simple. No way around it.

I do believe journalists who declare all Palestinians should leave are equally deserving of crucifixion...

You've done your homework? Yet you continue to declare that the current "Palestinian" population is wholly indigenous to the region, and the current Israeli population is from europe?...

 

[Number1]

I wonder if she wants the blacks to go back to Africa?

 

[woolfe9999]

I'll defer to Harvey to explain:


Note that Harvey ended with much the same concussion Thomas stated in her retraction. Now again, when can we expect the many people who unrepentantly say Palestinians should GTFO to be run out of their jobs?

Retractions by a public figure wanting to save face are meaningless. She more than likely meant what she said when shooting from the hip than at some later time when she issued a canned retraction, probably with help from a publicist.

I don't really know whether she is an anti-semite or not. However, I think her comments were at the very least insensitive. She twice mentions "Poland and Germany," only mentioning the United States after prompting by a surprised reaction from the questioner. Her first mention - where she says the land belongs to the Palestians, not to "Poland or Germany - was patently moronic in addition to being insensitive. And I just wonder why Poland and Germany are the first places which come to mind for her. As has been pointed out, only a tiny percentage of Israelis even came from either of those two countries.

So far as people advocating that the Palestinians be expelled to Syria or some such place, two wrongs do not make a right. Furthermore, I can't imagine if someone said the Palestinians should be sent back to some hypothetical place where they had been slaughtered in the past and had fled from. That is the real issue here and the important subtext. You just don't say "Jews go back to Poland and Germany." It's like saying "blacks must return to the plantation." Whether she is a true anti-semite is unknown; however, I can understand the negative reaction to what she said.

- wolf

 

[kylebisme]

Yet you continue to declare that the current "Palestinian" population is wholly indigenous to the region, and the current Israeli population is from europe?...

Rather, I simply pointed out the fact that your claim of "the Arabs... there today are for the most part immigrants from the late 1800s-1948" is false. However, if you can't even do your homework on that, I can't rightly expect you to understand that while Helen's comment was most certainly vulgar, it was not bigoted, or the fact that she has a long standing record of being objective in her journalism.

 

[kylebisme]

Retractions by a public figure wanting to save face are meaningless.

Not nearly as meaningless as one-sided condemnation of people who say Israelis should GTFO while humoring people who say the same thing about Palestinians.

 

[peonyu]

Most of the German/Polish Jews moved to the states, with a smaller percent going to Israel during the 30s. Though in total close to half of Israels Jewish population is European-Jew [Ukraine and Russia mainly]. So shes clearly speaking out of her ass.

 

[kylebisme]

And I just wonder why Poland and Germany are the first places which come to mind for her.

Because that's where the bulk of Israel's establishment class are descended from.

 

[woolfe9999]

Because that's where the bulk of Israel's establishment class are descended from.

I don't know where you even get that alleged fact from, but even if true, this is a pretty lame attempt to rationalize her comments after the fact. She didn't even say "Europe," but picked Germany and Poland in particular...out of thin air? Give the apologia a rest please.

- wolf

 

[Doboji]

Not nearly as meaningless as one-sided condemnation of people who say Israelis should GTFO while humoring people who say the same thing about Palestinians.

Who are you talking about?

 

[Tristicus]

Good riddance bitch!

Agreed.

 

[Leon]

She has got to be one of the ugliest persons on the face of this earth.

 

[kylebisme]

I don't know where you even get that alleged fact from...

Familiarty with the situation, I'll get you started.

... but even if true, this is a pretty lame attempt to rationalize her comments after the fact.

Rather, if you weren't so ignorant of the situation, you would have understood why she mentioned the countries she did the moment you heard it. However, even after the facts have been pointed out to you, you keep attempting to rationalize your position around them instead.

Who are you talking about?

For example sake:

my Senator

When will he be condemned into retirement?

 

[Noobtastic]

Because that's where the bulk of Israel's establishment class are descended from.

"establishment class" what?

the bulk of israel's jewish population are descedents of those expelled by the arab world.

this is simply another continuation of those advocating the expulsion of jews. after being expelled the romans, muslims, germans, british, france....now they must be expelled from israel.

i find it quite hypocritically you say israel isn't a legitimate state because it is "stolen land" while the majority of states, including most of israel's critics - live on stolen land, and i mean real stolen land, like former occupants murdered and genocided and rewritten out of history.

the communists of course are the most guilty in this arena.

but naturally israel, a country the size of your finger nail, must be held hostage based on some event 6 decades ago, and not its critics.

that of course would make you a flaming hypocrite, no?

apologism knows no bounds. you'll march lock-step with idiot arabs and homicidal palestinians, avid-consumers of antisemitism - and find some way to victimize it.

Go back to britain you settler.

 

[Infohawk]

Actually the majority of Israelis are Sephardic jews...

Source? The question still remains as to whether Ashkenazis in Israel are really just neo-colonials.

 

[Noobtastic]

Source? The question still remains as to whether Ashkenazis in Israel are really just neo-colonials.

you are an idiot.

the majority of israel's jewish population are descedents of those expelled from the arab world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_lands

nearly twice as many jews than arabs were expelled, and unlike arabs who fled in a war they started, jews were forced out in a nazi-styled expulsion...because they were jews.

egypt interned 40,000 jews afte the six day war.

eli cohen, one of the greatest spies in modern history, was expelled from egypt.

the whole neo-colonalist argument is just more antisemitic garbage.

more pyscho-babble designed to support former colonial powers subjugation of past colonies and people they oppressed.

 

[kylebisme]

the bulk of israel's jewish population are descedents of those expelled by the arab world.

Yet Israel's government and corporate establishment positions are overwhelmingly are occupied by Jews of ancestry which goes back to Germany and Poland, which is why Helen referred to those countries in particular along with the US.

 

[Narmer]

I wonder if she wants the blacks to go back to Africa?

Abraham Lincoln did and we revere him as a hero instead of a racist. In fact, he recommended to Frederick Douglas that blacks should return to Africa now that they're free. Douglas retorted that blacks were as much Americans as anyone.

 

[kylebisme]

nearly twice as many jews than arabs were expelled...

Rather, many Jews left because they were Zionists, though others were shamefully expelled even though they weren't.

and unlike arabs who fled in a war they started, jews were forced out in a nazi-styled expulsion...

Utter bullshit. "Nazi-styled expulsion"? You are practically denying the Holocaust in your insane rant here.

egypt interned 40,000 jews afte the six day war.

More bullshit.

eli cohen, one of the greatest spies in modern history, was expelled from egypt.

He was expelled for being a Zionist spy.

the whole neo-colonalist argument is just more antisemitic garbage.

more pyscho-babble designed to support former colonial powers subjugation of past colonies and people they oppressed.

Rather, the whole colonialist argument has never been anything more than bigoted garbage, but you are just too damned bigoted to admit as much. You are particularly bigoted against your fellow non-Jewish Semites, whom you revel in oppressing and subjugating while babbling psychotically as if you are a victim in this.

 

[Lemon law]

Just a few things to say, Helen Thomas is a reporter and not a politician, and as such she is used to asking well thought out questions, rather than being interviewed and ambushed
by being asked some total out of left field question.

I think we can all agree, the Helen Thomas response was not well thought out.

I may add, IMHO, she blamed the wrong set of Israeli Jews. After all if we can talk about the good Palestinians of Fatah who renounced violence and the bad set of Palestinians in Hamas who did not, why can't we talk about the good and bad set of Israel Jews.

And why the generalization is not absolute, those holocaust Jewish survivors who came from Germany, Poland, France, and other European nations that had democratic traditions are not the real rascals in Israel now. The bad hard line Jews who form settler parties, support Bozo Netanyuhu, and oppose any Israeli peace deals are mainly recent Israeli emigrants coming from Russia, various Arab Countries, and even African Countries where democratic traditions never existed. Te latter group is not much bigger than the former, but right now big enough to guarantee a hard line Israeli government.

Maybe over time, as new Israeli emigrants cease being a significant part of the Israeli population, and those raised under democratic traditions become the majority, Israeli may elect a more reasonable government.

 

[squirrel dog]

This does of course create an opening for bridge trolls/a real witch/ect.

 

[kylebisme]

And why the generalization is not absolute, those holocaust Jewish survivors who came from Germany, Poland, France, and other European nations that had democratic traditions are not the real rascals in Israel now.

The Israeli establishment is largely descended from people who got into Zionism before the Holocaust, and they generally treat Holocaust survivors like shit, like they did back before and during the Holocaust for opposing Zionism, and while continuing to argue for further Holocaust reparations.

Furthermore, while Russian Jews have gotten fairly big the settler movement recently, it's still largely Jews of the same European origins as the first settlers, with not notable representation from elsewhere. Where do you imagine Netanyahu's family came from? Is the fact that his father changed his name from Mileikowsky throwing you off?

 

[werepossum]

Just a few things to say, Helen Thomas is a reporter and not a politician, and as such she is used to asking well thought out questions, rather than being interviewed and ambushed
by being asked some total out of left field question.

I think we can all agree, the Helen Thomas response was not well thought out.

I may add, IMHO, she blamed the wrong set of Israeli Jews. After all if we can talk about the good Palestinians of Fatah who renounced violence and the bad set of Palestinians in Hamas who did not, why can't we talk about the good and bad set of Israel Jews.

And why the generalization is not absolute, those holocaust Jewish survivors who came from Germany, Poland, France, and other European nations that had democratic traditions are not the real rascals in Israel now. The bad hard line Jews who form settler parties, support Bozo Netanyuhu, and oppose any Israeli peace deals are mainly recent Israeli emigrants coming from Russia, various Arab Countries, and even African Countries where democratic traditions never existed. Te latter group is not much bigger than the former, but right now big enough to guarantee a hard line Israeli government.

Maybe over time, as new Israeli emigrants cease being a significant part of the Israeli population, and those raised under democratic traditions become the majority, Israeli may elect a more reasonable government.

Same old same old. Call the "good Jews" Eichmanns and the "bad Jews" soap. I don't think the "good Jews" will go for it this time - and I KNOW the "bad Jews" won't. Massacre us once, shame on you . . .

Funny, Squirrel Dog. Also funny how the White House Corespondents Association issued a statement that they "don't censor" the free speech of reporters, yet they are just now (a decade after the fact) having a meeting to discuss whether or not "a columnist" deserves a front row seat. Looks like the troll forgot to read the "Things we all believe but can't say on camera" chapter of her liberal media handbook.

 

[kylebisme]

Same old same old. Call the "good Jews" Eichmanns and the "bad Jews" soap.

Same delusional Zionist bullshit. LL didn't call anyone Eichmanns or soap, and the soap stories never had any truth to them anyway, as one can find even Zionists explaining. In fact, there are good people and bad people, and the Zionists who reject a two-state solution on the basis of international law are bad people, and mostly aren't even Jews, but rather Christians and atheists here in the US.

 

[Lemon law]

The Israeli establishment is largely descended from people who got into Zionism before the Holocaust, and they generally treat Holocaust survivors like shit, like they did back before and during the Holocaust for opposing Zionism, and while continuing to argue for further Holocaust reparations.

Furthermore, while Russian Jews have gotten fairly big the settler movement recently, it's still largely Jews of the same European origins as the first settlers, with not notable representation from elsewhere. Where do you imagine Netanyahu's family came from? Is the fact that his father changed his name from Mileikowsky throwing you off?

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Maybe you miss the point kylebisme, yes Netanyuhu basically comes from America and ought to know better, but he would not hold public office in Israel without appealing the the most base of Israeli supporters. Its the Israeli electorate who determines who will hold public office in Israel, and right now the Israeli hard line don't make peace concessions is the majority Israeli electorate position now.

And maybe by extension, its now up to external forces to tell the Israeli electorate that their nation will pay big prices if they don't start working towards that just mid-east peace.

After all, when the intentional community voted total economic sanctions against the State Apartheid State of South Africa, did the international community consult the white only electorate of South Africa? But if former South African leader Peter Botha got the message
thereafter anyway, we can not totally rule out even Bozo Netanyuhu doing the same.

But damn and double damn, I can only totally conclude ole Bozo is really learning challenged. If we want an equivalent American history example, try George C Wallace, who learned and adapted. I doubt Netanyuhu is smart enough to be a survivor.

 

[kylebisme]

Maybe you miss the point kylebisme, yes Netanyuhu basically comes from America and ought to know better, but he would not hold public office in Israel without appealing the the most base of Israeli supporters.

Rather, I'm aware of the fact that while Netanyahu was educated in America, he was born in Israel to a family that came from Europe well before the Holocaust, as did the families of most of the Israeli establishment, and most of the settlers, and the rest of his base of Israeli supporters. The problem here is that you are missing the point, because you are oblivious to such facts.