Helen Thomas, idiot anti-semite

[Noobtastic]

Israel has no authority to force such a move. But the US could force Israel to move without much of a sweat.

how could the US force israel to do anything?

israel is a sovereign nation. i see, so imperialism is bad. we can't tell what the muslim states to do. we can't place preconditions on aid to palestinians and put pressure on their homicidal manners.

but israel, an historic ally, already subjugated by the international community and the UN, must be further fucked over contrary to memorandums signed with the USA.

i just love how the left shrieks at the thought of meddling in the affairs of muslim states, but jizz in their pants at the thought of shitting on the jews.

 

[flavio]

how could the US force israel to do anything?

israel is a sovereign nation. i see, so imperialism is bad. we can't tell what the muslim states to do. we can't place preconditions on aid to palestinians and put pressure on their homicidal manners.

but israel, an historic ally, already subjugated by the international community and the UN, must be further fucked over contrary to memorandums signed with the USA.

i just love how the left shrieks at the thought of meddling in the affairs of muslim states, but jizz in their pants at the thought of shitting on the jews.

I was pointing out the ridiculousness of palehorse advocating moving Palestine by using an analogy of the US moving Israel.

Are you one of those hasbara/megaphone people?

 

[Lemon law]

IHV asks, "how could the US force israel to do anything?"

Maybe IHV should direct his question to the former apartheid nation of South Africa.

But yes, its going to be be increasingly hard for the USA to keep giving Israel its past blank check.

And IHV, that is the more important question you should now be asking.

For the USA, right now, Israel is far more expendable than the entire international community.

And IHV, how smart do you think BOZO Netanyuhu was in insulting Biden when he last visited, as Israel used the visit opportunity to announce a huge settlement increase in East Jerusalem?

 

[Perknose]

how could the US force israel to do anything?

Don't play dumb.

We keep Israel afloat with Billions of dollars of aid each and every year. Not to mention the additional Billions we shovel each year to Egypt solely to keep them from more actively opposing Israel.

Don't pretend you didn't know this, because THAT's how the US could force Israel to it's knees if it wanted to.

Hell, just stopping the flow of our arms would eventually do it.

 

[cubby1223]

For the USA, right now, Israel is far more expendable than the entire international community.

You guys keep saying this as if you actually believe there is an "international community" that is worth anything...

How's this "international community" been helping us get North Korea under control? Iran under control?

 

[palehorse]

Israel has no authority to force such a move. But the US could force Israel to move without much of a sweat.

They have all the "authority" they would ever need to do such a thing.

It's high time Israel ends the charade of coexistence once and for all. You and I both know that a "two-state solution" will never work. One of the two parties has to go; and, guess what... the Palestinians don't have the muscle to make it happen. Israel does.

"Might" may not make right, but it would certainly end the debacle caused by the Picaso-like borders Israel has to deal with now.

Want a modern precedent? Go study the history of Kosovo. The absence of Serbs following the big push to move nearly all of them North has done wonders for the Kosovars and their efforts to establish a peaceful autonomous nation of their own.

 

[Lemon law]

Cubby1223 asks, "How's this "international community" been helping us get North Korea under control? Iran under control."

My My, what a statement, but the key words implicit is "helping us."

Right there, until we define who is us and who is them, does your argument rest of.

The international community, by definition, is a collective we.

But lets talk about the North Korean problem first. Even if we slam dunk assume, that North Korea torpedo'd the South Korean vessel thus murdering 46 people, is it worth starting another Korean shooting war that could very well throw 460,000 or more good lives on all sides after 46 already dead lives. And the other consideration is that its not the fault of the North Korean people who we want to save, what we want is to get rid of is the nutty military dictatorship of Kim Jong IL. And the other consideration is China, who is now increasing disturbed that they have have a dangerous loose Canon on their border in the North Korean Government. All in all, I would have to say the international community is acting pretty rationally as they increase the pressure in North Korea. But, then again, that is only my opinion, now Cubby1223, what do you advocate
the international community doing about North Korea?

Now Iran, that is a whole different kettle of fish. What we have here is Iran embarking on a peacetime use of nuclear energy to generate electricity, or so Iran claims. But if the Iranian claim is true, its a right of any nation on Earth to do so. And moreover, Iran is working through the correct agency, namely the IAEA. The most vocal critic of Iran is Israel that claims, without an iota of proof, that Iran instead intends to develop nuclear U235 based nuclear weapons, and use them against Israel at first available opportunity.
Worse yet for any Israeli credibility is that it already has nukes, did not go through the IAEA process to get them, and worse yet for any Israeli credibility, its refuses the international communities request to make the mid-east a nuclear free zone. And the final deathblow to any Israeli cred is that it is, beyond the shadow of any doubt, the new mid-east Saddam who has WMD and uses it against its neighbors. And now with this new Gaza flotilla crisis, that sucking sound is the loss of ANY Israeli international community cred. Less easily dismissed is the USA who has had a contain Iran policy ever since the Iranian people threw the US and British inspired Shah out in the late 1970's. But the problem is, some of the international community are willing to follow the US lead and impose international sanction on Iran, but a larger part of the international community does not feel economic sanctions are justified. So two things to say. (1) Without that larger international community we, a few us's does not make a we. (2) Now the USA is paying and paying for GWB as the little boy who cried wolf, and all are neocons who lied to the world, the larger international community followed them then, and then found, not only were they lying sacks of shit in their claims, they were incompetent in running military occupations. And now Hillary Clinton is making all kinds of claims about Iran she cannot support, and that is not the way to rebuild US credibility.

But still, the UN and the international community can, has, and may in future unite regarding various world events. Granted the UN and the international community can be rather toothless and ineffective, but IMHO, its much better than nothing at all.

 

[kylebisme]

Don't play dumb.

He isn't playing.

 

[nick1985]

Wow, I have even more respect for her now than I did before.

:thumbsup:

Are you an anti-semite?

 

[Noobtastic]

Don't play dumb.

We keep Israel afloat with Billions of dollars of aid each and every year. Not to mention the additional Billions we shovel each year to Egypt solely to keep them from more actively opposing Israel.

Don't pretend you didn't know this, because THAT's how the US could force Israel to it's knees if it wanted to.

Hell, just stopping the flow of our arms would eventually do it.

israel did without US aid for 35 years and still won 3 consecutive conflicts.

in fact, the US and UN at the time was begging israel to stop owning the arab world so much.

the amount of "aid" we give to israel, in the form of loan-based guarantees (all paid back) and military hardware is equal to less than 2.5% of israel's annual GDP.

hardly, "afloat."

the aid itself is irrelevant, the aid merely symbolizes and represents the relationship.

and i think just because we have an investment in israel does not mean we have a right to impose our own foreign policy on behalf of the arab and muslim states.

we built the arab and muslim states from the ground-up, armed them, protect them in the UN, even go to war on behalf of them, and yet we have never place the same pressure on our islamic allies than we have had on jews.

and the left has never said we should meddle in the affiars of muslim states. they said nothing when saudi arabia killed 8,000 in yemen in 2009, and USAAF planes bombed targets there too.

can you imagine the outrage had the USAAF bombed targets on behalf of israel in gaza, WB, lebanon, etc...?

israel has the military capacity to convert the arab states to a radioactive desert. it chooses to compromise its own security for the US because it sees it as a far better alternative then going to an all-out war with the muslim tribes, which could result in deaths that israel is not willing to accept.

im not disputing what the US could do. the US could do a lot. We could invade israel. we could kill every jew there.

and israel could nuke gaza and genocide every arab in a 1,000 kilometer radius.

does that mean it would do it?

no.

 

[flavio]

israel did without US aid for 35 years and still won 3 consecutive conflicts.

Good. Let's cut those idiots off.

 

[sportage]

I like Helen. Heck... she's older than the heads on Mt Rushmore. My dad is around her age too and he says the weirdest things all the time too. I think it goes with age.
100 years ago people never lived this long. Now with high tech meds, people live to a very old age physically, but not so much mentally.

 

[Noobtastic]

Good. Let's cut those idiots off.

naturally a jihadist like yourself who supports groups that call for the destruction of israel would support ending an historic alliance and embracing homicidal palestinians who contribute nothing to the world.

i could never see myself siding with israel's enemies...truly ugly.

 

[flavio]

naturally a jihadist like yourself

Why the fuck are you calling me a jihadist? You're childish insults weaken your argument.

who supports groups that call for the destruction of israel

Another fucking lie.

would support ending an historic alliance and embracing homicidal palestinians

I don't support homicidal Israelis or Palestinians.

who contribute nothing to the world.

Is this some sort of racial superiority claim?

 

[Noobtastic]

Why the fuck are you calling me a jihadist? You're childish insults weaken your argument.



Another fucking lie.



I don't support homicidal Israelis or Palestinians.



Is this some sort of racial superiority claim?

 

[Narmer]

Wow. But this isn't surprising to hear from a WASP if you give them enough Scotch or cognac, behind closed doors, of course. But she's old and there isn't much anyone can do to her.

 

[flavio]

Once again IHV cannot back up what he says.

Hey are you one of those hasbara/megaphone people?

 

[IGBT]

keep the microphone in front of her and her ilk. Let the voters know once and for all what the liberal scum bags think.

 

[flavio]

Of course she speaks for all liberals. LOL.

 

[werepossum]

Finally, a small (very small) taste of consequences.

She has been dropped by her speaking agent - though I suppose Hamas could still contract directly with her.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0610/Thomas_gets_dropped_by_agency.html

It is with a heavy heart that Nine Speakers, Inc. announces its resignation as the agent for Helen Thomas, Dean of the White House Press Corps.

Ms. Thomas has had an esteemed career as a journalist, and she has been a trailblazer for women, helping others in her profession, and beyond.

However, in light of recent events, Nine Speakers is no longer able to represent Ms. Thomas, nor can we condone her comments on the Middle East.

Nine Speakers will continue to enthusiastically represent all of our other current and future clients.

Humorous that decades of spewing the same hatred against Republicans and conservatives was perfectly acceptable, but significant in that Thomas was Nine Speakers' heavy hitter. Diana Nine is taking a hit here, no doubt because people have let her know that she will otherwise be taking an even bigger hit.

Her syndicalist is waffling, condemning her statements but waiting to see the depth of the fallout before deciding to drop her.

Asked if Hearst would keep her, Hearst Newspapers spokesman Paul Luthringer emailed me this:

“We deeply regret Helen Thomas’ remarks, which in no way reflect the views of Hearst Newspapers or its employees. Helen has expressed her own profound regret over the incident.”Asked again whether Hearst would keep her, Luthringer refused to go beyond this statement.

The JADL is willing to let her off if she makes a better apology. I suppose Thomas' role in promoting the progressive agenda trumps her desire to see the JADL dead.

Helen Thomas’s statement of regret does not go far enough. Her remarks were outrageous, offensive and inappropriate, especially since she uttered them on a day the White House had set aside to celebrate the extraordinary accomplishments of American Jews during Jewish America Heritage Month.

Her suggestion that Israelis should go back to Poland and Germany is bigoted and shows a profound ignorance of history. We believe Thomas needs to make a more forceful and sincere apology for the pain her remarks have caused.

From time to time people like this forget there is a necessary polite fiction. Many of her supporters (as with the Palestinian supporters on this board) no doubt agree with her, but know it's not cool to say it out loud. One must always pretend that eradication of the Jews is a reasoned response to each situation and that it is nothing but more evidence of the Jews' perfidy that in every situation they are wrong. I get this attitude in Muslims and even in atheist Lebanese like Thomas, but for the life of me I cannot understand the depth of Jew hatred among liberal WASPs.

 

[kylebisme]

...Israel is a nation. It does NOT represent all Jewish people, nor do all Jewish people unequivocally support Israel in everything they do.

Thomas's comments weren't elegant, but, by definition, they were definitely NOT anti-semitic. They were about Israel, not Jews, and she's right. Israel is, in fact, an occupier, and hardly a benevolent one. In their arrogance, they are as much a part of the problem as the dumbest, most violent Palestinians.

This mess will never be settled until saner minds from both sides can shove the assholes aside and figure out how to get beyond their past differences and live as peaceful neighbors.

I agree. So when do we start pushing such insane assholes aside?

 

[Perknose]

Wow. But this isn't surprising to hear from a WASP if you give them enough Scotch or cognac, behind closed doors, of course.

Both of her parents immigrated here from Lebanon. Read the thread. Try to keep up. Or, Christ, just look at her nose. That ain't no cute little WASP button, son, it's a honker from the Levant.

 

[Narmer]

Both of her parents immigrated here from Lebanon. Read the thread. Try to keep up. Or, Christ, just look at her nose. That ain't no cute little WASP button, son, it's a honker from the Levant.

I saw her nose and thought she was some sort of gypsy but the name brought me back to what I've heard from WASPs. I didn't know there were people named 'Helen Thomas' in Arabia.

 

[dahunan]

She sounds like a very intelligent woman

JEWS are the only people in the history of civilization who had a large
MISERABLY OPPRESSIVE and MURDEROUS regime hand them land STOLEN from people whom they now say don't even exist.. lol

 

[kylebisme]

I didn't know there were people named 'Helen Thomas' in Arabia.

"Helen" is a fairly common name for Greek Orthodox Christians, in Arabia and elsewhere. As for her last name, her father Americanized it from "Antonious" upon immigrating to the US.