Helen Thomas, idiot anti-semite

[Noobtastic]

Jewish people have it made, because they were mistreated half a century ago by the Nazi and now they get to take their tanks and special forces into slums and take out people who oppose them. Anyone who has a problem got labeled as anti-semite. How nice.

it seems these days simply "opposing israel" earns you a badge of honor.

Get over it. You've joined the anti-israeli bandwagon, like most of the muslim world and europe.

and now of course your immune to calls of antisemitism, even though hele thomas said a seriously antisemitic thing.

ive sure if a conservative called for the expulsion of muslims back to their homeland...there would be outrage, but hey..Jews, no worries.

Thomas is the victim here.

 

[kylebisme]

She is the victim of Arab-hating psychopaths who constantly spout lies, like the one I called you on here:

nearly twice as many jews than arabs were expelled...

Rather, many Jews left because they were Zionists, though others were shamefully expelled even though they weren't.

Over 900,000 Jews were expelled...

You can't cite even one vaguely impartial source to back up your argument here, or any other argument of yours which I've called bullshit on.

 

[Noobtastic]

She is the victim of Arab-hating psychopaths who constantly spout lies, like the one I called you on here:

what?

what does this have to do with arabs lol?

she said something extremely antisemitic and stupid, she is only a victim to her own stupidity.

 

[kylebisme]

Again, she is the victim of Arab-hating psychopaths who constantly spout lies, like the one I called you on here:

nearly twice as many jews than arabs were expelled...

Rather, many Jews left because they were Zionists, though others were shamefully expelled even though they weren't.

Over 900,000 Jews were expelled...

You can't cite even one vaguely impartial source to back up your argument here, or any other argument of yours which I've called bullshit on.

 

[Doboji]

Again, she is the victim of Arab-hating psychopaths who constantly spout lies, like the one I called you on here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_lands
http://middleeastfacts.com/Articles/history-of-jews-in-arab-countries.php
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/935409/posts

Would you care to repeat the same post over and over again to prove something completely unrelated to the conversation at hand?

You're clearly firmly rooted in your hatred of Israel, and anyone who supports them. I'm just glad you have no power, so all you can do is spew your garbage impotently into an internet forum.

Another donation to the IDF in your honor.

 

[Narmer]

This lady is no victim. Too bad she said this now and not earlier so she could be kicked out of the journalism business earlier. I don't understand why people here are defending her.

 

[umbrella39]

She slipped up and said what the White House was thinking.

That's OK, you often slip up and say what your asshole is thinking.

 

[woolfe9999]

Familiarty with the situation, I'll get you started.


Rather, if you weren't so ignorant of the situation, you would have understood why she mentioned the countries she did the moment you heard it. However, even after the facts have been pointed out to you, you keep attempting to rationalize your position around them instead.

Azkanazai Jews are not all from Poland and Germany. She chose those particular countries for some reason. YOU are attempting to rationalize her comments after the fact, by saying the establishment class in Israel came from those two particular countries. I am not going to debate you about Azkanazai Jews and the "establishment class." Helen Thomas did not offer this as an explanation for her comments either at the time she made them or after the fact. That is your explanation and excuse, not hers. The fact that you are trying to justify that she said Jews should return to where they were slaughtered by offering an explanation that she, herself has not even offered, is quite pathetic. You will clearly try justify any comment made by any fellow traveler in the anti-Israel crusade, no matter how offensive.

- wolf

 

[kylebisme]

Would you care to repeat the same post over and over again to prove something completely unrelated to the conversation at hand?

I'm proving IHV constantly spouts flagrant misrepresentations of history to slander Arabs, using his "Over 900,000 Jews were expelled" claim in particular. Here we have from Wikipedia:

It is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were either forced from their homes or left the Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s.

That is accurate to my understanding. Some were expelled, while others left because they were attracted to the idea of living in a Jewish state and/or faced increased bigotry in the wake of the Nakba and the various conflicts with Israel after that. I've not seen any detailed statistics of how many were expelled specifically, but I was familiar enough with the history to know that the notion that the "Over 900,000" is absurd on it's face from the moment I saw it. That said, if you think there is something in what you linked to back his claim, please quote it here so I can address it directly.

Another donation to the IDF in your honor.

There's no reason to be afraid of the truth. With regard to that, I suppose I should send some cash to Breaking the Silence to offset your fueling of this conflict.

The fact that you are trying to justify that she said...

Your accusation of me trying to justify what I've condemned as repugnant from my first post in this thread is absurd. Do you not comprehend the difference between understanding what someone is referring to and agreeing with it? The bulk of the Israeli establishment originated from Germany and Poland, largely from families which moved to the region well before the Holocaust. Deal with it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

^
I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. - George Bernard Shaw

 

[Noobtastic]

I'm proving IHV constantly spouts flagrant misrepresentations of history to slander Arabs, using his "Over 900,000 Jews were expelled" claim in particular. Here we have from Wikipedia:

Yes, they were expelled from the Arab states.

Arab states passed laws stripping them of their citizen, suffocating their freedom of worship, preventing them to work - and Syria and Iraq passed Nazi-era laws (Baathist is inspired by Nazism).

Oh, not to mention that 900+ Jews that were slaughtered and killed in massacres that precipitated mass exoduses.

So yeah, Jews were expelled from their lands because they were Jews, just as the Jews were expelled from Britain, Spain, France, Germany, etc..etc..etc...

You are the one apologizing for this shamefully.

You are a sick individual man.

 

[Corn]

Azkanazai Jews are not all from Poland and Germany. She chose those particular countries for some reason. YOU are attempting to rationalize her comments after the fact, by saying the establishment class in Israel came from those two particular countries. I am not going to debate you about Azkanazai Jews and the "establishment class." Helen Thomas did not offer this as an explanation for her comments either at the time she made them or after the fact. That is your explanation and excuse, not hers. The fact that you are trying to justify that she said Jews should return to where they were slaughtered by offering an explanation that she, herself has not even offered, is quite pathetic. You will clearly try justify any comment made by any fellow traveler in the anti-Israel crusade, no matter how offensive.

- wolf

I am afraid you are wasting keystrokes.

 

[Doboji]

"That is accurate to my understanding. Some were expelled, while others left because they were attracted to the idea of living in a Jewish state and/or faced increased bigotry in the wake of the Nakba and the various conflicts with Israel after that. I've not seen any detailed statistics of how many were expelled specifically, but I was familiar enough with the history to know that the notion that the "Over 900,000" is absurd on it's face from the moment I saw it. That said, if you think there is something in what you linked to back his claim, please quote it here so I can address it directly."


Now you're grasping at straws... but it is interesting that you refer to the 1948 War of Independence as the Nakba... says alot about your viewpoint. It's true some portion of the 800K-1Mil+ Jews who were suddenly displaced from Arab nations "chose" to leave. The same is true of the Palestinians... they weren't shipped over the border either... they also chose to leave. Thus if it's "absurd" to claim that Jews were expelled from Arab countries, it is equally absurd to claim Palestinians were expelled during the war of independence.

If you're going to call bullshit... you better back it up.

As for breaking the silence... I am under no illusions that sending young men and women into the Palestinian territories is easy, or peaceful. I have no doubts that awful things happen to and happen from Israeli soldiers put in that nasty situation. I'd like nothing more than for that NOT to happen. But quite frankly as long as insidious organizations like Hamas are rampant and supported by the Palestinian people... these young people will continue to be sacrificed. It really is a wrong... Israel ought to be permitted to live in peace.

 

[alphatarget1]

Wow, I have even more respect for her now than I did before.

:thumbsup:

For wishing the Jewish people go back to where they were systematically slaughtered only 70 years ago?

I have less respect for liberalism than I ever did before.

 

[Red Dawn]

For wishing the Jewish people go back to where they were systematically slaughtered only 70 years ago?

I have less respect for liberalism than I ever did before.

If you had one iota of respect for liberalism you'd never use that trolling monkey as an example of your typical liberal. Keep in mind that here in the US a good portion of the Jews tend to be Liberal and also support Israel.

 

[Doboji]

If you had one iota of respect for liberalism you'd never use that trolling monkey as an example of your typical liberal. Keep in mind that here in the US a good portion of the Jews tend to be Liberal and also support Israel.

This is true... I'm a pretty liberal Jew who supports Israel...

 

[LumbergTech]

lol, don't they have mandatory retirement age in the News industry? This just shows how powerful pro-Israel force is in the US. So what if Helen Thomas has an opinion on this conflicts, so does 99% of the people who are into world news and events. So she is sympathetic towards paletinian, so that make her and idiot and anti-semite?

Jewish people have it made, because they were mistreated half a century ago by the Nazi and now they get to take their tanks and special forces into slums and take out people who oppose them. Anyone who has a problem got labeled as anti-semite. How nice.

are you fucking sick in the head?

"mistreated" ?

i dont support a lot of this shit israel does but dont be ridiculous

 

[kylebisme]

Yes, they were expelled from the Arab states.

What about people like this:

The organization's claims infuriated many Mizrahi Israelis who defined themselves as Zionists. As early as 1975, at the time of WOJAC's formation, Knesset speaker Yisrael Yeshayahu declared: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations."

Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."

In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee."

Were they expelled?

 

[nageov3t]

this op-ed was a pretty good explanation of why the Jews couldn't just "go home"...

after World War II, many Jews did attempt to "go home" to Poland. This resulted in the murder of about 1,500 of them -- killed not by Nazis but by Poles, either out of sheer ethnic hatred or fear they would lose their (stolen) homes. The mini-Holocaust that followed the Holocaust itself is not well-known anymore, but it played an outsize role in the establishment of the state of Israel. It was the plight of Jews consigned to Displaced Persons camps in Europe that both moved and outraged President Harry Truman, who supported Jewish immigration to Palestine and, when the time came, the new state itself. Something had to be done for the Jews of Europe. They were still being murdered...


Patton confided what he thought of Jews. Others might "believe that the Displaced Person is a human being," Patton wrote, but he knew "he is not." In particular, he whispered to his diary, the Jews "are lower than animals." The Jews, Patton felt, had to be kept under armed guard, otherwise they would flee, "spread over the country like locusts," and then have to be rounded up and some of them shot because they had "murdered and pillaged" innocent Germans. All of this is detailed by Allis and Ronald Radosh in their book about the founding of Israel, "A Safe Haven."
For the surviving Jews of Eastern Europe, there was no going home -- and no staying, either. Europe was hostile to them, not in the least appalled or sorry about what had just happened. Even the American military, in the person of the hideous Patton, seemed hostile. For most of the DPs, America was also out of the question. The United States, in the grip of feverish anti-communism and already unreceptive to immigrants, maintained a tight quota. When the Jewish DPs were polled, an overwhelming majority said they wanted to go to Palestine. They knew life would be tough there, but they would be among their own people -- and relatively safe.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/07/AR2010060702583.html

 

[kylebisme]

That article describes why the "go home" comment would have been incentive decades ago, and doesn't rightly apply to currency realty. In regard to current really, her comment was insensitive to the fact that most Israeli Jews were born in Israel, and hence can't rightly "go home" to anywhere but there.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Imagine what the situation might be like if Madagascar had been cleared off and given to the Jews for their state--an island nation without any real borders and without Palestinians.

 

[kylebisme]

You sound like a fucking Nazi.

 

[Taejin]

all this crap about who belongs where is inane. the fact is "might makes right". the winners get to make the decisions.. and it seems like the israelis are the winners so far. that may change in the future, or it may not, but the question about whether it is "right" or "wrong" for nations to exist as they are is a totally moot point.

 

[kylebisme]

the fact is "might makes right".

That isn't a fact, it's a philosophical position. It's the mentality behind the most depraved of human actions, such as rape and murder.

 

[0roo0roo]

suspicions of the left wing press confirmed lol.

what a freaking moron. she should "go home" as well.