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This sounds like scamiology ... I believe H1-B visa is only good to work with the company that sponsored you. Kind of like when you're a student and change school, your visa is no good for re-entry. That is why I haven't gone back home in 6 years.
 
The H-1B Visa program brings "temporary" high-tech foreign workers (computer scientists and programmers) to the U.S. to fill an alleged "shortage" of American Information Technology (IT) workers. The high-tech industry vociferously lobbies Congress for increases in the number of H-1B workers. But the shortage is a myth.

The H-1B Visa program directly causes displacement of and age discrimination against American workers. This includes not only high-tech workers, but also accountants, administrators, engineers, technicians, doctors, nurses, and other categories. The result is devastation of lives and careers, all for the benefit of greedy corporate interests seeking cheap, docile, foreign labor.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, a shortage of IT workers in the United States. But the H1B system is hard at work creating such a shortage. As IT professionals who have major investments in their skills are forced out of technology and into other areas or forced to accept low wages that are not in line with such investments in education then there will be no such future investments.

Nobel economist Milton Friedman scoffs at the idea of the government stocking a farm system for the likes of Microsoft and Intel. "There is no doubt," he says, "that the [H-1B] program is a benefit to their employers, enabling them to get workers at a lower wage, and to that extent, it is a subsidy." Former Cato economist Steve Moore stated "Well, this is one of those wink-and-a-nod programs. Everybody expects most of these workers to stay." Laying off thousands of U.S. citizens and green-card holders while retaining "temporary" foreign workers adds fuel to a growing anger. So call the H-1B visa what it is: a subsidy that runs counter to the real interests of both IT workers and free-market thinkers. -- H-1B Is Just Another Gov't. Subsidy, by Paul Donnelly, Computerworld, July 22, 2002

 
Originally posted by: WingZero94
The H-1B Visa program brings "temporary" high-tech foreign workers (computer scientists and programmers) to the U.S. to fill an alleged "shortage" of American Information Technology (IT) workers. The high-tech industry vociferously lobbies Congress for increases in the number of H-1B workers. But the shortage is a myth.

The H-1B Visa program directly causes displacement of and age discrimination against American workers. This includes not only high-tech workers, but also accountants, administrators, engineers, technicians, doctors, nurses, and other categories. The result is devastation of lives and careers, all for the benefit of greedy corporate interests seeking cheap, docile, foreign labor.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, a shortage of IT workers in the United States. But the H1B system is hard at work creating such a shortage. As IT professionals who have major investments in their skills are forced out of technology and into other areas or forced to accept low wages that are not in line with such investments in education then there will be no such future investments.

Nobel economist Milton Friedman scoffs at the idea of the government stocking a farm system for the likes of Microsoft and Intel. "There is no doubt," he says, "that the [H-1B] program is a benefit to their employers, enabling them to get workers at a lower wage, and to that extent, it is a subsidy." Former Cato economist Steve Moore stated "Well, this is one of those wink-and-a-nod programs. Everybody expects most of these workers to stay." Laying off thousands of U.S. citizens and green-card holders while retaining "temporary" foreign workers adds fuel to a growing anger. So call the H-1B visa what it is: a subsidy that runs counter to the real interests of both IT workers and free-market thinkers. -- H-1B Is Just Another Gov't. Subsidy, by Paul Donnelly, Computerworld, July 22, 2002

You can also look at it like this. First of all not every H1-B holder is underpaid. In fact none out of the dozen H1-B holders, or seekers, I graduated with is underpaid.
Now, most people that get H1-B end up getting their green card. At that point they are part of this society and contributing to it. They spend their money here, and pay taxes and contribute to gov't programs (ss) like everyone else.
If the US didn't offer the H1-B program, why would people come here and spend over $100,000 for a bachelors degree. Sometimes the degree you get is useless in some countries. For example, say I was an ASIC designer... what could I possible go do in Morocco? they don't do shit over there... they just consume, and grow stuff.
So, for some people higher education is priority.Now, a country that has the universities and resources to provide better education for the rest, should do just that. Why not educate others, and put them to work for you.(I acknowledge the fact that companies abused the program, it is not right)
For example, I probably would of never became an engineer back home simply because the guy next to me might got .01 better average. You get 2 chances after two years of pre-engineering program that prepares you for the real engineering school. After that you need to go find something else to do. I never saw the point of taking that chance when I had resources to come here and do it.
I believe, at least in engineering/science field, that to be competitive you need to pick the best from a larger pool of population.
In my opinion, the H1-B visa should only be issued to people who invested time and money to get a US degree, and even then it should depend on field of study. I don't think an H1-B visa should get issued to someone that comes here to fix a car, door handle, make bread ... whatever.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Let's see...the US economy is going into the crapper daily,
Good jobs are getting to be scarcer than hen's teeth...
The company wants to hire foreign workers.

Something VERY wrong with this IMO.

I think it's time to suspend ALL work visas...and hire only American workers.
"Thanks for your labor...now go home."

When a country doesn't have enough jobs for its own people, WHY keep bringing people from other countries to fill jobs?

Of course, that should also mean that we shut down our southern border too...No sense in letting foreigners take the manual labor work too...

Supposedly it's the cool thing to do when you have less than 5% unemployment overall. They say people will demand higher wages because there is so much competition... I say there are plenty of qualified candidates, and you don't have to pay them a higher wage cause they were the suckers who didn't stay up all night on aderal to get the A.
 
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
If the company is going to hire a non citizen, it's better for our economy that it happens here in the US, rather than them going back to their native country, and getting a job for the same thing. This country was founded on foreigners, and if we don't let them continue to come here and develop our economy, we will suffer even more.

There are a lot of efforts to increase the ease of foreigners being able to work here, and it's with proper reason.

The foreigners who developed our economy STAYED here.......most H1B workers have no plans of staying here. They want to make money and take it back with them. That doesnt help us.
 
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
If the company is going to hire a non citizen, it's better for our economy that it happens here in the US, rather than them going back to their native country, and getting a job for the same thing. This country was founded on foreigners, and if we don't let them continue to come here and develop our economy, we will suffer even more.

There are a lot of efforts to increase the ease of foreigners being able to work here, and it's with proper reason.

The foreigners who developed our economy STAYED here.......most H1B workers have no plans of staying here. They want to make money and take it back with them. That doesnt help us.

That is not true. Most people stay.
 
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
If the company is going to hire a non citizen, it's better for our economy that it happens here in the US, rather than them going back to their native country, and getting a job for the same thing. This country was founded on foreigners, and if we don't let them continue to come here and develop our economy, we will suffer even more.

There are a lot of efforts to increase the ease of foreigners being able to work here, and it's with proper reason.

The foreigners who developed our economy STAYED here.......most H1B workers have no plans of staying here. They want to make money and take it back with them. That doesnt help us.

That is not true. Most people stay.

Their money on the other hand...
 
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Youre paying foreign workers to do work that Americans should be doing. Basically, youre giving foreign citizens american dollars......that money will be saved and taken back to whatever country they go back to. We need to keep that money in the US so it can currculate and fuel the economic engine. I personally work with and am friends with many H1B visa guys. They SAVE every penny they can, and invest it back into their home countries (one guy is buying land and building apartments).......that money should be spent here, not there.

:roll:

Excuse PimpJuice for caring about this country, somebody has too, our own politicians could give 2 shits about us.

If you don't hire H1B workers here in the US then companies will go directly to India/China, build plants and hire workers there.
Take your pick.

Why should anyone but me have a say on how my money is spent?
I became a citizen in 2002. You really think I'll spend all my life in America and retire here?

Heck no, I'll be going back home for retirement and will take every penny I've saved with me
.

This is exactly what's wrong with this whole system. Your not even helping our economy it's almost as if you're just leeching.

how is it leeching, i pay thousands of dollars a year in medicare and social security tax that i will never ever use , I am on a h1b and will be leaving the US in a couple of years,


Because you taking money out of the US like that breaks the cycle of our economy when it comes to those dollars. Granted, out of all the cases of people like you, your case is probably the least concern. The bigger concern are those people who continuously send money out of the country back home to their families. Overall, people like you and those who do more damage than you has increased to a point in this country where it is impacting our economy in a bad way. That rate of people that come here to do that is still climbing too. India is looking at the US like a cash machine that they can borrow for a while and then go back home. It's not crippling the economy but it is definitely hurting it a lot and the only people that end up getting the short end of that stick are the ones who plan to live out their lives here. Those same people are also having families here who will most likely live out their lives in this economy too. So, not only are these people screwing stuff up for us, but they are also screwing it up for our kids too especially if the rate keeps climbing.
 
I don't see anything wrong with sending some money back to their families at home. It's called supporting your family -- recent immigrants don't usually just forget their families back home. Good God, it's like you're condemning people for caring about their families. Do we really want a world where kids just say, "Bye, thanks for raising me -- have a good life at the nursing home if you can afford it! I'm on my own now and have to think only of myself from now on!"

Sending some money back home has always been done. I was just watching the Food Channel the other day where Bobby Flay (?) did a special on the cuisine in Ireland. They told of the history of Ireland and the potato famine and how a great wave of immigration occurred during this period. They mentioned how the people left back in Ireland always greeted the "American Letter" with great hope because it always contained money sent back from their relatives in America.

And you should think about the big picture. How does keeping the rest of the world poor help us in the long run? When poor countries like China and India improve their living standards a new group of middle class will rise in those countries. Their wages will rise and pretty soon we will become competitive in terms of wages again. Jobs will then flow back into our country. In addition, there is now a larger group of consumers out in the world (because their living standards have improved) and the people there might think fondly of America and try to purchase "Made in America" products in the future because they think of those products as being higher quality and because they really really like us (because we're such a welcoming people who help others).

But instead all you guys are thinking in the short term -- you don't think about the long term good for our country and the world.
 
Originally posted by: StormRider
I don't see anything wrong with sending some money back to their families at home. It's called supporting your family -- recent immigrants don't usually just forget their families back home. Good God, it's like you're condemning people for caring about their families. Do we really want a world where kids just say, "Bye, thanks for raising me -- have a good life at the nursing home if you can afford it! I'm on my own now and have to think only of myself from now on!"

Sending some money back home has always been done. I was just watching the Food Channel the other day where Bobby Flay (?) did a special on the cuisine in Ireland. They told of the history of Ireland and the potato famine and how a great wave of immigration occurred during this period. They mentioned how the people left back in Ireland always greeted the "American Letter" with great hope because it always contained money sent back from their relatives in America.

And you should think about the big picture. How does keeping the rest of the world poor help us in the long run? When poor countries like China and India improve their living standards a new group of middle class will rise in those countries. Their wages will rise and pretty soon we will become competitive in terms of wages again. Jobs will then flow back into our country. In addition, there is now a larger group of consumers out in the world (because their living standards have improved) and the people there might think fondly of America and try to purchase "Made in America" products in the future because they think of those products as being higher quality and because they really really like us (because we're such a welcoming people who help others).

But instead all you guys are thinking in the short term -- you don't think about the long term good for our country and the world.

There is a very good reason why we have laws restricting how much money is permitted to be sent to certain countries such as Cuba. One of those reasons is the impact on our own economy. The US permits sending some money for the reasons you pointed out. Now matter how you slice it though, doing so hurts the US economy. It is a sacrifice that we permit for the "greater good" which I agree with to a point. However, the line needs to be drawn and old laws often need to be revisited depending on how much things change over time. Currently, our economy is hurting quite a bit and there has also been a steady increase in terms of how many people are taking advantage of sending money over the past 20 years. It is an issue which is worthy of revisiting and possibly placing some temporary restrictions on at least until we get back on our feet.

I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.
 
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.

Right...
So I should leave money here with you rather than send money back home to help my family members. :roll:
 
I think H1Bs are really supposed to fill roles that couldn't be filled by citizens. Specials skills and etc. I believe they have to advertise the opening for a few weeks and if nobody fits the role, than they go to H1Bs. The job description of the role and salary is also supposed to be posted publicly for anybody in the company to see (even after being hired).
 
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.

Right...
So I should leave money here with you rather than send money back home to help my family members. :roll:

You go ahead and keep thinking like that. Trust me. If the system is abused too much then the laws will slowly change adding more and more restrictions. What you are currently permitted to do with that money right now should be viewed more like privilege rather than a right. Privileges that get abused too much eventually get taken away. Even though I hate the extended abuse, I do not want to see privilege completely taken away because like you, I understand and respect the desire to take care of one's family no matter where they are.
 
Originally posted by: aceO07
I think H1Bs are really supposed to fill roles that couldn't be filled by citizens. Specials skills and etc. I believe they have to advertise the opening for a few weeks and if nobody fits the role, than they go to H1Bs. The job description of the role and salary is also supposed to be posted publicly for anybody in the company to see (even after being hired).

That's not the way it works. What happens is that these requisition notices go out, and whoever is the best candidate wins. If they're an H1B, then so be it. It's not as though they limit all inquiries only to citizens first and then send out another requisition for H1Bs.
 
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: StormRider
I don't see anything wrong with sending some money back to their families at home. It's called supporting your family -- recent immigrants don't usually just forget their families back home. Good God, it's like you're condemning people for caring about their families. Do we really want a world where kids just say, "Bye, thanks for raising me -- have a good life at the nursing home if you can afford it! I'm on my own now and have to think only of myself from now on!"

Sending some money back home has always been done. I was just watching the Food Channel the other day where Bobby Flay (?) did a special on the cuisine in Ireland. They told of the history of Ireland and the potato famine and how a great wave of immigration occurred during this period. They mentioned how the people left back in Ireland always greeted the "American Letter" with great hope because it always contained money sent back from their relatives in America.

And you should think about the big picture. How does keeping the rest of the world poor help us in the long run? When poor countries like China and India improve their living standards a new group of middle class will rise in those countries. Their wages will rise and pretty soon we will become competitive in terms of wages again. Jobs will then flow back into our country. In addition, there is now a larger group of consumers out in the world (because their living standards have improved) and the people there might think fondly of America and try to purchase "Made in America" products in the future because they think of those products as being higher quality and because they really really like us (because we're such a welcoming people who help others).

But instead all you guys are thinking in the short term -- you don't think about the long term good for our country and the world.

There is a very good reason why we have laws restricting how much money is permitted to be sent to certain countries such as Cuba. One of those reasons is the impact on our own economy. The US permits sending some money for the reasons you pointed out. Now matter how you slice it though, doing so hurts the US economy. It is a sacrifice that we permit for the "greater good" which I agree with to a point. However, the line needs to be drawn and old laws often need to be revisited depending on how much things change over time. Currently, our economy is hurting quite a bit and there has also been a steady increase in terms of how many people are taking advantage of sending money over the past 20 years. It is an issue which is worthy of revisiting and possibly placing some temporary restrictions on at least until we get back on our feet.

I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.

Are you sure about this? I have never heard of such a reason for this law. I have heard of limitations with sending money to Cuba but I have always thought this was because we have a trade embargo on them.

Other than for an embargo, we should be able to do with our money the way we see fit -- it's our money. Is there a law for how much money we can spend on our vacations when we go overseas? After all, we have to keep all our money in the US -- there should be limits on how much money we can spend on our foreign vacations.

BTW, you make it sound as though most immigrants send *all* their money back home. That's usually not the case. They send what they can to help -- they still have to spend money here on rent, food and bills. And my personal opinion is that it's their money and they should be able to do whatever they want with it.

Finally, I think immigrants are being scapegoated too much. The current economic crisis was not caused by immigrants sending some money back home to help their families. It was caused by our own greed and stupidity. The mortgage crisis was caused by greedy companies selling $500,000 mortgages to people making 50K/year. It's common sense that there's no way this could ever be repaid. It all sounded like a pyramid scheme to me. Keep repackaging these risky loans to someone else until it all crashes.
 
Originally posted by: StormRider

Are you sure about this? I have never heard of such a reason for this law. I have heard of limitations with sending money to Cuba but I have always thought this was because we have a trade embargo on them.

Other than for an embargo, we should be able to do with our money the way we see fit -- it's our money. Is there a law for how much money we can spend on our vacations when we go overseas? After all, we have to keep all our money in the US -- there should be limits on how much money we can spend on our foreign vacations.

BTW, you make it sound as though most immigrants send *all* their money back home. That's usually not the case. They send what they can to help -- they still have to spend money here on rent, food and bills. And my personal opinion is that it's their money and they should be able to do whatever they want with it.

Finally, I think immigrants are being scapegoated too much. The current economic crisis was not caused by immigrants sending some money back home to help their families. It was caused by our own greed and stupidity. The mortgage crisis was caused by greedy companies selling $500,000 mortgages to people making 50K/year. It's common sense that there's no way this could ever be repaid. It all sounded like a pyramid scheme to me. Keep repackaging these risky loans to someone else until it all crashes.

I am not certain which countries have limitations or what those limitations are detail by detail. I just remember finding out that some do exist for certain cases and protecting our economy is part of the reason this topic is observed by the government. I do not believe that immigrants send all there money home and nor do I believe that they are a root cause of our economic crisis. I do believe that the way they abuse our system constitutes a slice of pie though.

While I wish it was as easy as saying that we should all just be able to spend our money however we please, the way our economy works does not permit us to do so completely without consequence. That is a fact. What is subjective is whether or not the pros outweigh the cons when it comes to those consequences given the current state of the economy.

I am not trying to oversell myself here. I have not researched this subject to the point where I would consider myself educated enough to draw some very serious conclusions on the matter. Being that is the case, my mind can be swayed and I recognize that I have been wrong before so I could easily be wrong now. However, given the current state of things, I think we need to change a little bit here and a little bit there when it comes to topics which could potentially stimulate the economy better. Cutting down on sending money over seas where it will not be taxed further in our economic cycle should contribute to that some.
 
Originally posted by: aceO07
I think H1Bs are really supposed to fill roles that couldn't be filled by citizens. Specials skills and etc. I believe they have to advertise the opening for a few weeks and if nobody fits the role, than they go to H1Bs. The job description of the role and salary is also supposed to be posted publicly for anybody in the company to see (even after being hired).

You are right the job has to be advertised for a month before you can file. Also you pay like a $1500 to the department of labor to train a us citizen.
 
Bottom line I think it is a great idea to keep talent here, but just like anything else when you abuse it ... it becomes a problem for everyone. Trust my that program brings in a lot of money/students/talent. The population that qualify for H1-B is young educated and skilled, why the hell would you not want them here. You rather have people come here as tourist and overstay, marry some fat chick for green card and because a drain on society.
This is maybe the second best way to give people the right to migrate to the US, after people with a lot of money t invest here or those PhD holders.
 
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.

Right...
So I should leave money here with you rather than send money back home to help my family members. :roll:

Nobody is saying that

I'm saying the US should not allow people like you to work here......but since you are already here, then do what you want, its your money. The number of H1Bs is ridiculous and its gotten to the point where it hurts our economy to spend money on foreign workers who dont help circulate the money within our own country.

I speak for those LIKE YOU who already have their mind made up to make the money and run. I'm all for immigrants who choose to migrate and settle here and improve our country.
 
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.

Right...
So I should leave money here with you rather than send money back home to help my family members. :roll:

Nobody is saying that

I'm saying the US should not allow people like you to work here......but since you are already here, then do what you want, its your money. The number of H1Bs is ridiculous and its gotten to the point where it hurts our economy to spend money on foreign workers who dont help circulate the money within our own country.

I speak for those LIKE YOU who already have their mind made up to make the money and run. I'm all for immigrants who choose to migrate and settle here and improve our country.

Ok, Mr. Hugo Chavez.
When are you going to ban NJ citizens from working in NY since they take their money with them back to New Jersey? Are you going to garnish their wages till they settle in NY? Are you going to ban them from coming to NY?

When are you going to ban MD/VA citizens from working in DC since they take their money with them back and don't spend it in DC?

You expect immigrants to come to America and stay there indefinitely? :roll:
As long as I get my degree here, I don't care whether the US grants H1-B visas or not.
You can't take my talent away from me once I've already earned it.
 
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.

Right...
So I should leave money here with you rather than send money back home to help my family members. :roll:

Nobody is saying that

I'm saying the US should not allow people like you to work here......but since you are already here, then do what you want, its your money. The number of H1Bs is ridiculous and its gotten to the point where it hurts our economy to spend money on foreign workers who dont help circulate the money within our own country.

I speak for those LIKE YOU who already have their mind made up to make the money and run. I'm all for immigrants who choose to migrate and settle here and improve our country.

i think the US economy would be in serious trouble if they did not allow h1b workers (or people like us as you say), there is a severe shortage of skilled employees in the tech industry, when I went to grad school here most students were Indians and Chinese , its not like h1b workers are going to walmart and stealing jobs from Americans, most of them are in positions that couldnt be filled by American citizens
 
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Xavier434
I don't mind helping those in need, but we need to look after ourselves first.

Right...
So I should leave money here with you rather than send money back home to help my family members. :roll:

Nobody is saying that

I'm saying the US should not allow people like you to work here......but since you are already here, then do what you want, its your money. The number of H1Bs is ridiculous and its gotten to the point where it hurts our economy to spend money on foreign workers who dont help circulate the money within our own country.

I speak for those LIKE YOU who already have their mind made up to make the money and run. I'm all for immigrants who choose to migrate and settle here and improve our country.

i think the US economy would be in serious trouble if they did not allow h1b workers (or people like us as you say), there is a severe shortage of skilled employees in the tech industry, when I went to grad school here most students were Indians and Chinese , its not like h1b workers are going to walmart and stealing jobs from Americans, most of them are in positions that couldnt be filled by American citizens

The fact that most of the students in engineering grad schools are foreign I think is more of a testament to the emphasis that those cultures place on education and advanced degrees. I too attended engineering grad school and also noticed the same thing you did. Most of the american engineering students I knew just took a job right out of undergrad, as opposed to going to grad school.
 
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
God damn there so many people with sour grapes in this thread.

It's called capitalism, if you can't compete, then too bad. "Protecting" American workers is really a form of communism, just like trade tariffs, it's preventing a free flow of economic activity. If China can make shoes cheaper than Americans can, then we should buy them. If India can provide IT services cheaper than Americans can, then we should buy their service.

Yes, it sucks for the people that are losing their jobs in that particular industry, but in the bigger picture economy, the benefit outweighs the loss. By buying things that others can produce for cheaper than you can, you gain what is called a Competitive Advantage in micro-economics, it is the reason that we don't raise our own cattle for beef, or plant corn for veggie oil.

I completely agree. You should post your job here so we can find a cheaper replacement. Given the proper gov't support to import this person, we should be able to have you out on your ass in 2 wks or less.

 
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
God damn there so many people with sour grapes in this thread.

It's called capitalism, if you can't compete, then too bad. "Protecting" American workers is really a form of communism, just like trade tariffs, it's preventing a free flow of economic activity. If China can make shoes cheaper than Americans can, then we should buy them. If India can provide IT services cheaper than Americans can, then we should buy their service.

Yes, it sucks for the people that are losing their jobs in that particular industry, but in the bigger picture economy, the benefit outweighs the loss. By buying things that others can produce for cheaper than you can, you gain what is called a Competitive Advantage in micro-economics, it is the reason that we don't raise our own cattle for beef, or plant corn for veggie oil.

I completely agree. You should post your job here so we can find a cheaper replacement. Given the proper gov't support to import this person, we should be able to have you out on your ass in 2 wks or less.

Do you actually have an educated response to dispute my post? I welcome all counter arguments in a thoughtful manner. The fact of the matter that you can't even gather a proper argument tells me that you are not educated in the fundamentals of economics. Instead of whining and complaining about how everybody else is taking your job, why not educate yourself further in order to better compete in this world economy?
 
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