Have an H-1B?

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar

Do you expect immigrants to come to America and settle there indefinitely?

I expect immigrants to come here if they want to make new lives here. I do not expect them to come here and treat our country like a cash register and then just leave. If they want to come here to make new lives, work hard, and then realize much later on that they were truly happier back home or believe that a different country may suit them better then that is fine. They should leave. Otherwise, I feel they are just leeching and abusing a system which was not designed for the purpose that they are using it for.

What about immigrants who want to do all that they can for their family and later plan to retire back in their home country when they turn 65?

I think it is honorable, but it doesn't change the fact that sending those dollars away hurts the US economy more than it helps. If too many people do it, then it becomes a problem which should be restricted.

Originally posted by: Lothar
Do you also feel that Dell opening a customer service center in India puts more money in the US economy than them hiring H1-B visa workers to do that here? Why or why not?

I feel that sort of thing reduces jobs here in the US and it sacrifices customer service quality. Dell does it to reduce the costs of customer service and increase their own profits. I would prefer that they not H1-Bs to do the work here either, but that is at least better than outsourcing overseas.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Lothar

Do you expect immigrants to come to America and settle there indefinitely?

Why the hell else would you emigrate to a country? I think most immigrants who live here for any significant length of time DO stay here forever. I can only imagine that the guy who said he was going to live here until he retires then move back to his native country is going to die a virgin. The ones who come here and get married and have kids usually stay here.

My mother emigrated here to better her family, not to settle here indefinitely.
She's only here because of me and nothing else.

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: Casawi

I know the feeling man, it makes me sick. I have done every got damn thing right, the LEGAL way .. and they just make it a nightmare for me. Now I see people fresh out of the boat straight up H1-B ... how the fuck you go find someone in god knows what country, give him a visa, and make people that have been here for year wait another year.
The other thing that pisses me off is, all my friends I came her with have green cards, but no degrees. They are just here living the American dream on credit cards.

Are you applying as well this year?

Thankfully, I'm done - but I set a record of sorts trying for 4 years straight. Keep in mind that I speak English pretty well, have 2 bachelor's degrees from American universities, working on a masters/MBA, job offers that offered me considerably more than the "prevailing wage", never late on my taxes and my worst "offense" has been a traffic ticket.

Yet, they'd rather give H1s away to fobs

go figure ...

You applied 4 times before you got?
If I don't get it this year, I will try again next year ... if I don't, I'll take my masters ... and beat it back to Africa. Maybe I can apply my engineering degree in growing dope ....lol

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Lothar

Do you expect immigrants to come to America and settle there indefinitely?

Why the hell else would you emigrate to a country? I think most immigrants who live here for any significant length of time DO stay here forever. I can only imagine that the guy who said he was going to live here until he retires then move back to his native country is going to die a virgin. The ones who come here and get married and have kids usually stay here.

My mother emigrated here to better her family, not to settle here indefinitely.
She's only here because of me and nothing else.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Lothar

Do you expect immigrants to come to America and settle there indefinitely?

Why the hell else would you emigrate to a country? I think most immigrants who live here for any significant length of time DO stay here forever. I can only imagine that the guy who said he was going to live here until he retires then move back to his native country is going to die a virgin. The ones who come here and get married and have kids usually stay here.

My mother emigrated here to better her family, not to settle here indefinitely.
She's only here because of me and nothing else.

Again, during times where we our economy is not falling into shambles I am ok with trying to help save the world. I am not ok with it when we got tons of 60 year old born Americans who are scared and upset because all of the work they put in throughout their lives suddenly seems mute because their retirement funds just vanish with the fall of the stock market. I am not accusing H1-Bs of this problem, but I certainly do feel that we should tighten our grip until we get back on our feet. It is times like these where the little things count for a lot more including preserving the cycle of money transactions within our own borders.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Also, "the American dream" will never be lived on credit cards. Unless your friends are doing a great job making payments, all they have to look forward to is debt or possibly even bad credit.

Dude one of them filed bankruptcy after a $40,000 debt ???
The other one just stopped paying the bills, and now lives back home like nothing ever happened.
They don't care to have good credit. They are not planning on living here forever.
They are my friends and all, but I hate what they do ... makes us look bad.

That is seriously fucked up and you are right. It makes the ones like you look extremely bad.

I think at this point most of those waiting "in line" have already stopped caring. Why bother with a broken system that rewards illegals and leeches and punishes the legits & hard-workers?

A lot of the international students whom I knew have already moved onto greener pastures like the EU or home to China / India. The decent ones pulled their investments and left quietly - other raked up massive debts ($60-80k+) based off their good credit till date and poof!

Yes, the system most certainly is the core problem. This is very much why I argued earlier in this thread that while we have put up with that system for some time now, the current state of our economy is a good reason to try and tie up loose ends where ever we can. While fixing this portion is not going to turn the entire table, every little bit helps you know?

the real problem is the consulting companies/head hunters that apply for h1b visa's solely as a way for people to get here (without a job), if you go to any company in the silicon valley you will see lots of people who are actually doing qualified work and were hired with the h1b visa coz the position could not filled by local canidadates

anyway the number of people entering the us via an h1b visa each year is nothing compared to the no of illegal immigrants who just cross the border, whether they stay or eventually return home, atleast the people on h1b visa pay taxes, the illegals just jump over the border and dont pay taxes and stay forever

 

[EKKC]

wow i like the range 60k-110k. why not just say

we pay 0 to 400k.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: kalster

the real problem is the consulting companies/head hunters that apply for h1b visa's solely as a way for people to get here (without a job), if you go to any company in the silicon valley you will see lots of people who are actually doing qualified work and were hired with the h1b visa coz the position could not filled by local canidadates

anyway the number of people entering the us via an h1b visa each year is nothing compared to the no of illegal immigrants who just cross the border, whether they stay or eventually return home, atleast the people on h1b visa pay taxes, the illegals just jump over the border and dont pay taxes and stay forever

Yes, the illegals will always be much worse. They abuse the system more and cost us more money.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: kalster

the real problem is the consulting companies/head hunters that apply for h1b visa's solely as a way for people to get here (without a job), if you go to any company in the silicon valley you will see lots of people who are actually doing qualified work and were hired with the h1b visa coz the position could not filled by local canidadates

anyway the number of people entering the us via an h1b visa each year is nothing compared to the no of illegal immigrants who just cross the border, whether they stay or eventually return home, atleast the people on h1b visa pay taxes, the illegals just jump over the border and dont pay taxes and stay forever

I don't think anyone here is supporting illegal immigrants. As far as them staying forever, almost all the illegals I've known of have eventually gotten their citizenship and contribute greatly to our economy through there consumerism instead of hording it to send back home.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: kalster

the real problem is the consulting companies/head hunters that apply for h1b visa's solely as a way for people to get here (without a job), if you go to any company in the silicon valley you will see lots of people who are actually doing qualified work and were hired with the h1b visa coz the position could not filled by local canidadates

anyway the number of people entering the us via an h1b visa each year is nothing compared to the no of illegal immigrants who just cross the border, whether they stay or eventually return home, atleast the people on h1b visa pay taxes, the illegals just jump over the border and dont pay taxes and stay forever

I don't think anyone here is supporting illegal immigrants. As far as them staying forever, almost all the illegals I've known of have eventually gotten their citizenship and contribute greatly to our economy through there consumerism instead of hording it to send back home.

so you are saying that if someone stays 5-6 years illegally (without paying any taxes) and get citizenship and stays here forever, that is better than people staying legally and saving money to take back home, didn't know saving ones money is called hording

are you also against foreign companies setting up shop in America, maybe Toyota should not be allowed to do business in America, event though they are providing jobs here, the profit they are making is going back to Japan

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: kalster

the real problem is the consulting companies/head hunters that apply for h1b visa's solely as a way for people to get here (without a job), if you go to any company in the silicon valley you will see lots of people who are actually doing qualified work and were hired with the h1b visa coz the position could not filled by local canidadates

anyway the number of people entering the us via an h1b visa each year is nothing compared to the no of illegal immigrants who just cross the border, whether they stay or eventually return home, atleast the people on h1b visa pay taxes, the illegals just jump over the border and dont pay taxes and stay forever

I don't think anyone here is supporting illegal immigrants. As far as them staying forever, almost all the illegals I've known of have eventually gotten their citizenship and contribute greatly to our economy through there consumerism instead of hording it to send back home.

so you are saying that if someone stays 5-6 years illegally (without paying any taxes) and get citizenship and stays here forever, that is better than people staying legally and saving money to take back home, didn't know saving ones money is called hording

are you also against foreign companies setting up shop in America, maybe Toyota should not be allowed to do business in America, event though they are providing jobs here, the profit they are making is going back to Japan

Foreign businesses and the taxes associated with them are a completely different ballpark. Let's not even go there. No one participating in this thread comes even close to knowing enough about those details in order to make a justified argument.

In regards to the illegals not paying taxes for years and then becoming citizens vs the H1-Bs, they both suck in there own ways and they both are better than each other in different ways too. The rest just boils down to the numbers.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: kalster

the real problem is the consulting companies/head hunters that apply for h1b visa's solely as a way for people to get here (without a job), if you go to any company in the silicon valley you will see lots of people who are actually doing qualified work and were hired with the h1b visa coz the position could not filled by local canidadates

anyway the number of people entering the us via an h1b visa each year is nothing compared to the no of illegal immigrants who just cross the border, whether they stay or eventually return home, atleast the people on h1b visa pay taxes, the illegals just jump over the border and dont pay taxes and stay forever

I don't think anyone here is supporting illegal immigrants. As far as them staying forever, almost all the illegals I've known of have eventually gotten their citizenship and contribute greatly to our economy through there consumerism instead of hording it to send back home.

so you are saying that if someone stays 5-6 years illegally (without paying any taxes) and get citizenship and stays here forever, that is better than people staying legally and saving money to take back home, didn't know saving ones money is called hording

are you also against foreign companies setting up shop in America, maybe Toyota should not be allowed to do business in America, event though they are providing jobs here, the profit they are making is going back to Japan

Foreign businesses and the taxes associated with them are a completely different ballpark. Let's not even go there. No one participating in this thread comes even close to knowing enough about those details in order to make a justified argument.

In regards to the illegals not paying taxes for years and then becoming citizens vs the H1-Bs, they both suck in there own ways and they both are better than each other in different ways too. The rest just boils down to the numbers.

suck or not, if the h1b program was not there, the same jobs would be outsourced

also, if you feel so strongly about it, you should show your displeasure towards the companies hiring illegal immigrants and companies employing h1b workers

stop using micrsoft products. cisco products, amazon.com, dell, maybe they will take notice

 

[outofloop]

companies hire h1-b out of necessity and not merely because of cost cutting, a company would any day prefer to hire a local as then they would not have to spend time/money on any legal proceedings associated with h1-bs.

and the general notion that h1-b gets paid less is BS. The wages in IT have gone down because of the increased global competitiveness ... not because of h1-bs which only make a tiny part of the workforce (only ~75000 h1-b approved each year)

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: kalster

the real problem is the consulting companies/head hunters that apply for h1b visa's solely as a way for people to get here (without a job), if you go to any company in the silicon valley you will see lots of people who are actually doing qualified work and were hired with the h1b visa coz the position could not filled by local canidadates

anyway the number of people entering the us via an h1b visa each year is nothing compared to the no of illegal immigrants who just cross the border, whether they stay or eventually return home, atleast the people on h1b visa pay taxes, the illegals just jump over the border and dont pay taxes and stay forever

I don't think anyone here is supporting illegal immigrants. As far as them staying forever, almost all the illegals I've known of have eventually gotten their citizenship and contribute greatly to our economy through there consumerism instead of hording it to send back home.

Seems to me like you need to do some research on remittances Mexico receives.

Hispanics as a group(whether legal/illegal) send a higher % of their salary to Mexico, more than the Indians are sending to India.

Your personal experience is in the vast minority because you don't have statistical facts on your side.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar
Do you also feel that Dell opening a customer service center in India puts more money in the US economy than them hiring H1-B visa workers to do that here? Why or why not?

I feel that sort of thing reduces jobs here in the US and it sacrifices customer service quality. Dell does it to reduce the costs of customer service and increase their own profits. I would prefer that they not H1-Bs to do the work here either, but that is at least better than outsourcing overseas.

Which leads exactly to the point I said earlier.
If you don't hire them here, they will be hired there.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar
Do you also feel that Dell opening a customer service center in India puts more money in the US economy than them hiring H1-B visa workers to do that here? Why or why not?

I feel that sort of thing reduces jobs here in the US and it sacrifices customer service quality. Dell does it to reduce the costs of customer service and increase their own profits. I would prefer that they not H1-Bs to do the work here either, but that is at least better than outsourcing overseas.

Which leads exactly to the point I said earlier.
If you don't hire them here, they will be hired there.

So your point is that we need to choose the lesser of two evils. That doesn't make the problems with H1-B's any better. It just means we have to pick between the shitty and shittier choice until there is enough demand for a 3rd option.

Believe me, America will preserve itself first. If the economy and unemployment get bad enough then the politicians will tighten things up. If the system keeps getting abused then it will continue to remain in the spotlight leaving itself open for being attacked politically. Real changes start to occur if that happens enough even if it is only for reelection purposes. It's not like this country hasn't seen this kind of thing before. Give it time.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar
Which leads exactly to the point I said earlier.
If you don't hire them here, they will be hired there.

So your point is that we need to choose the lesser of two evils. That doesn't make the problems with H1-B's any better. It just means we have to pick between the shitty and shittier choice until there is enough demand for a 3rd option.

Believe me, America will preserve itself first. If the economy and unemployment get bad enough then the politicians will tighten things up. If the system keeps getting abused then it will continue to remain in the spotlight leaving itself open for being attacked politically. Real changes start to occur if that happens enough even if it is only for reelection purposes. It's not like this country hasn't seen this kind of thing before. Give it time.

Yes. Globalization is here to stay.
Do you know of a 3rd option? I'm all ears. Be sure to CC/fwd it to your congressman as well.
And no, holding your ears and singing "la la la" pretending it doesn't(or won't) exist won't achieve anything and neither will politicians tightening their belt to setup up a brick wall state.

I've rarely seen anyone mention H1-B visas are bad for the economy/employment except from a few IT workers here who seem to be demanding that the market pay them six figures.
There are many other jobs being filled by H1-B visas, that aren't being filled by Americans.
Nursing, medicine, engineering, etc...and other major sciences.
There's a shortfall in those fields especially with all the baby boomer's about to enter retirement.

If the politicians tighten things up too much, they'll lose business and tax revenue.
There's a fine line they have to walk.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar
Do you also feel that Dell opening a customer service center in India puts more money in the US economy than them hiring H1-B visa workers to do that here? Why or why not?

I feel that sort of thing reduces jobs here in the US and it sacrifices customer service quality. Dell does it to reduce the costs of customer service and increase their own profits. I would prefer that they not H1-Bs to do the work here either, but that is at least better than outsourcing overseas.

Which leads exactly to the point I said earlier.
If you don't hire them here, they will be hired there.

So your point is that we need to choose the lesser of two evils. That doesn't make the problems with H1-B's any better. It just means we have to pick between the shitty and shittier choice until there is enough demand for a 3rd option.

Believe me, America will preserve itself first. If the economy and unemployment get bad enough then the politicians will tighten things up. If the system keeps getting abused then it will continue to remain in the spotlight leaving itself open for being attacked politically. Real changes start to occur if that happens enough even if it is only for reelection purposes. It's not like this country hasn't seen this kind of thing before. Give it time.

Yes. Globalization is here to stay.
Do you know of a 3rd option? I'm all ears. Be sure to CC/fwd it to your congressman as well.
And no, holding your ears and singing "la la la" pretending it doesn't(or won't) exist won't achieve anything and neither will politicians tightening their belt to setup up a brick wall state.

I've rarely seen anyone mention H1-B visas are bad for the economy/employment except from a few IT workers here who seem to be demanding that the market pay them six figures.

If the politicians tighten things up too much, they'll lose business and tax revenue.
There's a fine line they have to walk.

Personally, I hope that the third option becomes hiring American Citizens the old fashioned way again. I hope that the demand for the increase in quality will result in that change. I realize that will not be soon, but considering how much the younger generations are learning about technology faster these days we could see some major changes in the consumer market over the next 20 years or so. Who knows what will happen.

One example could be a case of some of the larger companies trying to gain a competitive edge by advertising higher quality CS and then other companies end up following suit in order to remain competitive. With the increased knowledge about computers and technology in general amongst the entire customer pool as the younger generations come of age, there will be less need for the lower end CS that is currently outsourced across seas or hired using H1-Bs. They will be replaced by the internet itself since more people will know how to utilize it for their answers. There will also be less need for lower end programmers since programming is gradually getting easier and is slowly becoming more common knowledge at least in the basic sense. You will find more and more companies which want a website and just happen to have an employee that knows how to make something basic enough to suit the company's needs using some of the tools they got out there. Again....just give it time. Things are changing so fast.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar
Do you also feel that Dell opening a customer service center in India puts more money in the US economy than them hiring H1-B visa workers to do that here? Why or why not?

I feel that sort of thing reduces jobs here in the US and it sacrifices customer service quality. Dell does it to reduce the costs of customer service and increase their own profits. I would prefer that they not H1-Bs to do the work here either, but that is at least better than outsourcing overseas.

Which leads exactly to the point I said earlier.
If you don't hire them here, they will be hired there.

So your point is that we need to choose the lesser of two evils. That doesn't make the problems with H1-B's any better. It just means we have to pick between the shitty and shittier choice until there is enough demand for a 3rd option.

Believe me, America will preserve itself first. If the economy and unemployment get bad enough then the politicians will tighten things up. If the system keeps getting abused then it will continue to remain in the spotlight leaving itself open for being attacked politically. Real changes start to occur if that happens enough even if it is only for reelection purposes. It's not like this country hasn't seen this kind of thing before. Give it time.

Yes. Globalization is here to stay.
Do you know of a 3rd option? I'm all ears. Be sure to CC/fwd it to your congressman as well.
And no, holding your ears and singing "la la la" pretending it doesn't(or won't) exist won't achieve anything and neither will politicians tightening their belt to setup up a brick wall state.

I've rarely seen anyone mention H1-B visas are bad for the economy/employment except from a few IT workers here who seem to be demanding that the market pay them six figures.

If the politicians tighten things up too much, they'll lose business and tax revenue.
There's a fine line they have to walk.

Personally, I hope that the third option becomes hiring American Citizens the old fashioned way again. I hope that the demand for the increase in quality will result in that change. I realize that will not be soon, but considering how much the younger generations are learning about technology faster these days we could see some major changes in the consumer market over the next 20 years or so. Who knows what will happen.

One example could be a case of some of the larger companies trying to gain a competitive edge by advertising higher quality CS and then other companies end up following suit in order to remain competitive. With the increased knowledge about computers and technology in general amongst the entire customer pool as the younger generations come of age, there will be less need for the lower end CS that is currently outsourced across seas or hired using H1-Bs. They will be replaced by the internet itself since more people will know how to utilize it for their answers. There will also be less need for lower end programmers since programming is gradually getting easier and is slowly becoming more common knowledge at least in the basic sense. You will find more and more companies which want a website and just happen to have an employee that knows how to make something basic enough to suit the company's needs using some of the tools they got out there. Again....just give it time. Things are changing so fast.

the real problem is lack of focus on science and math in school I think, if that is fixed the shortage of skilled works in the tech industry will be fixed too

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Lothar
Yes. Globalization is here to stay.
Do you know of a 3rd option? I'm all ears. Be sure to CC/fwd it to your congressman as well.
And no, holding your ears and singing "la la la" pretending it doesn't(or won't) exist won't achieve anything and neither will politicians tightening their belt to setup up a brick wall state.

I've rarely seen anyone mention H1-B visas are bad for the economy/employment except from a few IT workers here who seem to be demanding that the market pay them six figures.

If the politicians tighten things up too much, they'll lose business and tax revenue.
There's a fine line they have to walk.

Personally, I hope that the third option becomes hiring American Citizens the old fashioned way again. I hope that the demand for the increase in quality will result in that change. I realize that will not be soon, but considering how much the younger generations are learning about technology faster these days we could see some major changes in the consumer market over the next 20 years or so. Who knows what will happen.

One example could be a case of some of the larger companies trying to gain a competitive edge by advertising higher quality CS and then other companies end up following suit in order to remain competitive. With the increased knowledge about computers and technology in general amongst the entire customer pool as the younger generations come of age, there will be less need for the lower end CS that is currently outsourced across seas or hired using H1-Bs. They will be replaced by the internet itself since more people will know how to utilize it for their answers. There will also be less need for lower end programmers since programming is gradually getting easier and is slowly becoming more common knowledge at least in the basic sense. You will find more and more companies which want a website and just happen to have an employee that knows how to make something basic enough to suit the company's needs using some of the tools they got out there. Again....just give it time. Things are changing so fast.

It seems like from what you're saying, there's an oversupply of IT workers leading to lower demand because of H1-B visas.

What about other fields non-IT related being filled by H1-B visas?
Granted, I added that part in an edit so you probably didn't notice it.

How do you plan on filling the huge shortfall in nursing, medicine, engineering, and other major sciences?
You can't force a citizen who wants to major in psychology, communications, acting, theatre, or medieval studies to do nursing.
That's where H1-B comes into play.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Lothar
It seems like from what you're saying, there's an oversupply of IT workers leading to lower demand because of H1-B visas.

What about other fields non-IT related being filled by H1-B visas?
Granted, I added that part in an edit so you probably didn't notice it.

How do you plan on filling the huge shortfall in nursing, medicine, engineering, and other major sciences?
You can't force a citizen who wants to major in psychology, communications, acting, theatre, or medieval studies to do nursing.
That's where H1-B comes into play.

The employer advertises for a postiion with unreasonable qualification.
No one responds or those tht do are unqualified according to the posted description
They indicate that they interviewd x people, had y responses - paperwork to Gov states not qualified (TRUE).
Employer now can look for a H1B (or they may have one in mind) that can fill the slot. (Quals also go out the window, it is an unfilled slot on paper).
In comes an H1B that also does nto fit the quals (but the Dept of Labor does not monitor the filling of the slot).
The H1B has the same if not less experience as an American worker, but at a lower price tag.
But since no American worker was "qualified" for the existing position, there is no way to actually prove the disception.


Example:
Windows 95 came out in 1995
Ads were place for S/W work that required 5-10 years of Windows experience, 2-3 yrs with Windows 95 or Windows NT3.5, C++, MFC.
Those ads were in the State employment system - coded for H1B justification, in 1996.

The version of Windows were called out in the requirements. No salary.
The only people that could have met those requirements were ones that were exposed to the BETA development cycle.

What they wanted was some cheap Windows developers that could use the IDE and were straight off the boat or out of the local universery. Borland/Watcom experience did not count.

 

[NanoStuff]

Foreigners are taking your jobs because they contribute more per dollar.

My suggestion to the complainers would be to stop being sissy bitches, develop an advanced skill, and don't demand quite so much money. If you can't compete, move in with your mother. There are plenty of jobs for those capable of performing them, whether American, Indian or whatever.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Foreigners are taking your jobs because they contribute more per dollar.

My suggestion to the complainers would be to stop being sissy bitches, develop an advanced skill, and don't demand quite so much money. If you can't compete, move in with your mother. There are plenty of jobs for those capable of performing them, whether American, Indian or whatever.

You do realize they don't have to contribute to the same things those in the US do and also are usually on country sponsered benefits back home.

It's easy to cut out health insurance and benefits when you get them already...

I see the US foreign professional labor dying out as our dollar falls more and more each day.

I figure you are young or not paid very well though to have this belief.

My wife was H1B...they told her for any holiday, sickday, basically any day not working, she had to work 2 days (10 hour days) to make up for it. They told her that was normal. She was on-board with that until I told her that was slavery and had to explain it.

In Japan, the average worker is extremely dedicated. They came here because the money made it worth it....the others come here because even working like that makes more pay.

H1B was designed to fill the gaps when no workers in the US were available, not to underprice them.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Foreigners are taking your jobs because they contribute more per dollar.

In other words employers can squeeze out more work out of foreigners for cheaper. I like the way you re-worded that. :thumbsup:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Lothar
It seems like from what you're saying, there's an oversupply of IT workers leading to lower demand because of H1-B visas.

What about other fields non-IT related being filled by H1-B visas?
Granted, I added that part in an edit so you probably didn't notice it.

How do you plan on filling the huge shortfall in nursing, medicine, engineering, and other major sciences?
You can't force a citizen who wants to major in psychology, communications, acting, theatre, or medieval studies to do nursing.
That's where H1-B comes into play.

The employer advertises for a postiion with unreasonable qualification.
No one responds or those tht do are unqualified according to the posted description
They indicate that they interviewd x people, had y responses - paperwork to Gov states not qualified (TRUE).
Employer now can look for a H1B (or they may have one in mind) that can fill the slot. (Quals also go out the window, it is an unfilled slot on paper).
In comes an H1B that also does nto fit the quals (but the Dept of Labor does not monitor the filling of the slot).
The H1B has the same if not less experience as an American worker, but at a lower price tag.
But since no American worker was "qualified" for the existing position, there is no way to actually prove the disception.


Example:
Windows 95 came out in 1995
Ads were place for S/W work that required 5-10 years of Windows experience, 2-3 yrs with Windows 95 or Windows NT3.5, C++, MFC.
Those ads were in the State employment system - coded for H1B justification, in 1996.

The version of Windows were called out in the requirements. No salary.
The only people that could have met those requirements were ones that were exposed to the BETA development cycle.

What they wanted was some cheap Windows developers that could use the IDE and were straight off the boat or out of the local universery. Borland/Watcom experience did not count.

Even then those job life cycles exceeded the beta period. The beta experience wasn't what they were looking for, they knew everyone and their brother would still apply for the job. All they had to do was make up it was 'rolled out' in some foreign nation and most of the US would know no better.

I have been on interviews where this came up and I explained it was impossible. I got some of the jobs while I was still a student. Today with the no salary posting but REQUIRED salary history being submitted usually in the interview I disqualify myself due to too little money being offered.

While many may think $15-25/hr to code a commercial website is money in the bank, they are right....but really not their's