Haswell-based Pentium & Celeron CPUs Thread

[Blain]

I live in CA...

I was unaware that most of the other states don't pay tax. That's kinda BS, last time I didn't pay sales tax on the internet was very very long ago.

Most states have a "Use Tax" that's basically a sales tax on out of state purchases.
I realize most people don't pay the use tax due their states, but the tax exists none-the-less.

 

[coercitiv]

Are the Pentiums based on a 2+1 core? I'd like to know their die size.

22 nm

I said die size, not process step.

 

[AtenRa]

Are the Pentiums based on a 2+1 core? I'd like to know their die size.

Yes they have GT1 graphics with 10EUs. They should be close to 100-110mm2 same as Kabini. The only difference is that Kabini is a SoC so it has the NB integrated, when Haswell 2+1 needs a chipset.

 

[Sweepr]

I said die size, not process step.

It's the 2C+GT1 SKU (10xmm²), probably barely larger than Bay Trail (102mm²). Kabini is ~110mm².

http://cdn3.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/3.jpg

 

[pw257008]

Not sure what his statement had to do with politics, but both Oregon and New Hampshire lack a state sales tax.

sometimes internetting drunk is a bad idea

 

[pw257008]

Newegg charges tax in 4 states. Yes, 4 states. So I assume Trevader lives in CA, NJ, TN, or IN.

Are you saying only poor people buy AMD? That might be true. But here we have Haswell celeron pentium platforms costing about the same as the Kabini platform. So. Yeah. That makes the fact that Kabini is mentioned in this thread as comical.

No I was making some obscure reference to how you can move to another state to avoid income tax if that matters, but if sales tax has a larger impact on your budget, it's probably not as easy to move (and you can play tricks with income you can't with purchases of essentials). It was a bad post, but I'm really happy that "only poor people buy AMD" came out of it, because that's such a funny absurd idea. And as someone else mentioned you're still supposed to pay tax on those purchases in most states, but yeah, the laws on that aren't really enforced so few people do.

 

[VirtualLarry]

sometimes internetting drunk is a bad idea

Speak for yourself man, speak for yourself.

(Hint: I posted nothing but a factual statement. Not sure how you inferred that I was somehow posting drunk.)

 

[mikk]

New Pentium and Celeron listed with a 3-4% speed bump. Celeron G1840 probably the performance/price king under $50.


G1840 (2M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 2.80 GHz, 22nm) $42
G1820 (2M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 2.70 GHz, 22nm) $42


G3240 (3M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 3.10 GHz, 22nm) $64
G3220 (3M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 3.00 GHz, 22nm) $64
http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...Apr_14_14_Recommended_Customer_Price_List.pdf

 

[Sweepr]

New Pentium and Celeron listed with a 3-4% speed bump. Celeron G1840 probably the performance/price king under $50.


G1840 (2M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 2.80 GHz, 22nm) $42
G1820 (2M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 2.70 GHz, 22nm) $42


G3240 (3M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 3.10 GHz, 22nm) $64
G3220 (3M cache, 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 3.00 GHz, 22nm) $64
http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...Apr_14_14_Recommended_Customer_Price_List.pdf

Leaked roadmap was spot on. There should be new Pentium G3450 and Celeron G3250 models soon. Every % of extra performance definitely helps this cheap Haswell SKUs.

The current 2.8GHz Celeron G1830 costs $52.

 

[blackened23]

Supposedly, rumor has it broadwell Pentium's will be overclockable once again. I don't know what the details are, whether that entails are new "K" type SKU or what. But. I know I read that rumor a while back. It was either Broadwell or Haswell refresh. They're bringing back limited overclocking to the lower SKUs such as i3 and Pentium.

Should be interesting!

 

[Sweepr]

Haswell Refresh line up of Pentium & Celeron CPUs

www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014041401_Prices_of_Intel_Haswell_Refresh_CPUs.html

 

[NTMBK]

Supposedly, rumor has it broadwell Pentium's will be overclockable once again. I don't know what the details are, whether that entails are new "K" type SKU or what. But. I know I read that rumor a while back. It was either Broadwell or Haswell refresh. They're bringing back limited overclocking to the lower SKUs such as i3 and Pentium.

Should be interesting!

I thought that was just the special "anniversary edition" one?

 

[pw257008]

Speak for yourself man, speak for yourself.

(Hint: I posted nothing but a factual statement. Not sure how you inferred that I was somehow posting drunk.)

oh no, i meant that i was posting drunk

 

[Sweepr]

Another Pentium G3220 review: http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-pentium-g3220-processor-review_137016

The gaming performance of the Intel Pentium G3220 was definitely better than I though it would be across most of the games. What really surprised me though, was that the G3220 wasn’t the bottleneck at the higher gaming resolution! When we ran most of the gaming benchmarks at 1920×1080 we were limited by the ASUS Direct CUII NVIDIA GeForce GTX670 that we had in our test bench.

Legit Bottom Line: The Intel Pentium G3220 proved itself to be a solid processor for those on a budget. If you are trying to build a gaming rig on a budget, you can pick up a processor like the Intel Pentium G3220 for only $67.63 and spend a little more on the graphics card!

 

[blackened23]

Indeed. G3220 is an absolutely killer CPU with a dGPU, and is price competitive with anything out there as icing on the cake. I love my HTPC with its G3220.

 

[Sweepr]

Indeed. G3220 is an absolutely killer CPU with a dGPU, and is price competitive with anything out there as icing on the cake. I love my HTPC with its G3220.

I'd love test the G3220 paired with a Geforce 750/750 Ti. Should be a capable, cheap and efficient gaming PC that could be upgraded to quad-core Haswell/Broadwell-K later on.

 

[Sweepr]

G3220 sytem, see sig.
Idle= 18W
FFXIV=45W,score=1600
P95+Furmark=71W.

idle=8W(i3-3140=14W)
P95=31W(i3-3140=69W)
P95+furmark=38W(i3-4130=83W)
FFXIV=27W score=1559 (i3-4130=50W,score=2483)
running a MKV movie at Full HD=13W (G3220=21W,i3-4130=17W)

10-23W difference between Haswell Pentium and Kabini. Thats some great results considering Pentium's performance. Haswell Celeron should draw a bit less power than the Pentium here. Again, Haswell dualies might not match BT / Kabini levels of efficiency (in MT apps) but they're still very efficient chips.

 

[mohit9206]

I would like to know how would the G3220 compare with the Athlon X4 750k and my older Pentium G630. Looking for a new budget build with either of these two with a 750 or 750Ti for 1080p gaming.

 

[blackened23]

I would like to know how would the G3220 compare with the Athlon X4 750k and my older Pentium G630. Looking for a new budget build with either of these two with a 750 or 750Ti for 1080p gaming.

See the budget gaming build at PCPer for the answer. The short version is, the G3220 is slightly faster in gaming with a dGPU and also cheaper overall. 750k is 80$, G3220 is around 60$. Mobo prices for both are comparable. Single threaded performance heavily favors 3220 by a lot. But there are benchmarks below -in even multi core games the 3220 seems to be slightly faster than the 760k and 750K. Note PCPer tested the 760 which would presumably be faster than the 750k you mention.

Link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-BJKFv0AFo

 

[Insert_Nickname]

See the budget gaming build at PCPer for the answer. The short version is, the G3220 is slightly faster in gaming with a dGPU and also cheaper overall. 750k is 80$, G3220 is around 60$. Mobo prices for both are comparable. Single threaded performance heavily favors 3220 by a lot. But there are benchmarks below -in even multi core games the 3220 seems to be slightly faster than the 760k and 750K. Note PCPer tested the 760 which would presumably be faster than the 750k you mention.

Do note that the 760K can be overclocked. They're only testing at stock speed. The 760K is capable of running at 6800K-level speeds and even higher on the stock cooler, at which point it'll be faster then the G3220...

 

[Abwx]

10-23W difference between Haswell Pentium and Kabini. Thats some great results considering Pentium's performance. Haswell Celeron should draw a bit less power than the Pentium here. Again, Haswell dualies might not match BT / Kabini levels of efficiency (in MT apps) but they're still very efficient chips.

The i3 4130 is much more efficient than the G3220 according to the score/watt on FFXIV being quite close to Kabini while the G3220 trails notably, actualy it is hard pressed between the i3 with comparable TDP but much more efficency and Kabini s definitly lower wattage segment and higher efficency as well.

 

[Sweepr]

More Celeron G1820 & Pentium G3220 tests from Techspot:

Power numbers:

Great results @ idle, 20W more than Bay Trail-D and less than 10W more than Kabini @ CPU load.

Techspot Verdict

So starting with the $50 Celeron G1820... is it a better buy than the Athlon 5350? Keep in mind you can purchase LGA1150 H81 boards for as little as $50, so the build cost is the same as the Athlon 5350 with an AM1 board.

In our application tests, the Celeron G1820 was 20% faster than the Athlon 5350 on average. Moreover, it was 63% faster at encoding and even 10% faster in our gaming tests. With that said, the G1820 consumes 45% more power, so it comes down to whether you care more about performance or power consumption.

Given that the extra power scales pretty well with the extra performance that you will see, the Celeron G1820 seems like a no brainer. For the same $50, AMD offers the A4-4020 which is a 200MHz higher clocked version of the A4-4000 we tested with, and given how that performed the G1820 shouldn't be threatened.

Jumping from the Celeron G1820 to the Pentium G3220 probably isn't worth $20 more as we didn't see a 40% boost, with the biggest gains being ~25%. Meanwhile, the Core i3-4130 is up to 85% faster than the G1820 (generally ~40%), but the i3 is 150% pricier. If you can afford it, the i3 offers a better experience.

 

[mohit9206]

Well i upgraded my Pentium G630 to an i5-3450 and there is a very noticeable difference in overall general day to day performance and gaming as well but not enough to justify the massive price difference.These cheap Celerons and Pentiums are still great for those with lower budgets.

 

[Essence_of_War]

Is there any indication that the Haswell refresh pentiums/celerons might support the AES-NI instruction set?

 

[Charlie98]

I have a G3220 fixing to go into a new desktop build, after reading the reviews linked here, I'm going to stick my old 560ti in it and see how well it does as a gamer.

I put a G620 in my HTPC build last year and was so impressed with it's performance I decided to try the G3220 vs. going to an i3 or i5 (it is not a dedicated gamer, just a general purpose build that I'm going to... multi-task. )