Haswell-based Pentium & Celeron CPUs Thread

[Sable]

People seem interested in the new low-cost Haswell-based Pentium & Celeron chips, but there hasnt been many reviews focusing on these new snappy low-cost chips.

I found this when I was looking to build a mini itx machine for the front room. In the end I went with the Pentium G3420 because it seemed the best bang for buck.

Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz 2 54W £38.39
Intel Pentium G3420 3.2GHz 2 54W £44.92
Intel Pentium G3430 3.3GHz 2 54W £65.99

£6 extra for an extra 200mhz then goes up to £21 extra for 100mhz.

Shame they're not unlocked as it runs so cool it would probably have loads of headroom! I don't even bother with having the case fans running.

Paired it with a GTX750.

 

[VirtualLarry]

i'm pretty sure this is incorrect. poor people don't have much of a choice, rich people do

Not sure what his statement had to do with politics, but both Oregon and New Hampshire lack a state sales tax.

 

[coercitiv]

Shame they're not unlocked as it runs so cool

The special edition unlocked Pentium is on it's way, scheduled for mid-year 2014.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The special edition unlocked Pentium is on it's way, scheduled for mid-year 2014.

That might be a fun little chip to play with. Might build myself a SFF MAME machine, since that is one of the few gaming-like apps that is NOT multi-threaded. Makes me wonder a bit, though, how fast one could get those chips, since the quad-core Haswell K CPUs only reached around 4.2-4.4.

 

[ShintaiDK]

G1830 + H81 for $76 - $10 rebate = $66 AR @ Fry's B&M (in-store only)
http://www.frys.com/product/8057414

Thats a crazy deal. Yet again pointing out how worthless and useless kabini and baytrail desktops are, unless you need super low max TDP. And that already put kabini out of the race.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thats a crazy deal. Yet again pointing out how worthless and useless kabini and baytrail desktops are, unless you need super low max TDP. And that already put kabini out of the race.

Oh really? Just because one retailer offers a special deal, in VERY LIMITED LOCATIONS in the States, means that any competitor's products are "useless"?

I don't recall you saying that Intel's Haswell dual-cores were "useless", just because Microcenter is selling a bundle with an unlocked, overclockable hex-core, with motherboard, for $110.

Surely, an FX-6300, overclocked, is faster for multithreaded tasks than a mere Haswell dual-core locked Pentium, and yet, they cost the same! Haswell must therefore, using your logic, be "useless", right?

Passmark of G1830: 2140
http://cpuboss.com/cpu/Intel-Celeron-G1830
Passmark of FX-6300: 6,444
http://cpuboss.com/cpu/AMD-FX-6300

Oh snap, lookie there... ? I guess "Haswell Celeron" must be "useless", when you can get an FX-6300 with mobo for around the same price.

Edit: Microcenter.com is loading again, here's the bundle page:
http://www.microcenter.com/site/products/amd_bundles.aspx

 

[Sable]

The special edition unlocked Pentium is on it's way, scheduled for mid-year 2014.

Aye but it'll depend how they price it.

Plus I went for cheap and cheerful so only have a H81 motherboard.

 

[blackened23]

i'm pretty sure this is incorrect. poor people don't have much of a choice, rich people do

Newegg charges tax in 4 states. Yes, 4 states. So I assume Trevader lives in CA, NJ, TN, or IN.

Are you saying only poor people buy AMD? That might be true. But here we have Haswell celeron pentium platforms costing about the same as the Kabini platform. So. Yeah. That makes the fact that Kabini is mentioned in this thread as comical.

 

[blackened23]

Oh really? Just because one retailer offers a special deal, in VERY LIMITED LOCATIONS in the States, means that any competitor's products are "useless"?

I don't recall you saying that Intel's Haswell dual-cores were "useless", just because Microcenter is selling a bundle with an unlocked, overclockable hex-core, with motherboard, for $110.

Surely, an FX-6300, overclocked, is faster for multithreaded tasks than a mere Haswell dual-core locked Pentium, and yet, they cost the same! Haswell must therefore, using your logic, be "useless", right?

Passmark of G1830: 2140
http://cpuboss.com/cpu/Intel-Celeron-G1830
Passmark of FX-6300: 6,444
http://cpuboss.com/cpu/AMD-FX-6300

Oh snap, lookie there... ? I guess "Haswell Celeron" must be "useless", when you can get an FX-6300 with mobo for around the same price.

Huh. FX6300 doesn't have built in graphics and costs more with an overclocking motherboard and a discrete GPU than any Haswell celeron or pentium. Some are really grasping to recommend the AMD setup despite being awful (Kabini) or WAY more expensive (FX6300). The price comparable option would be the 760K. Yet again, that chip doesn't have APU graphics which will necessitate a dGPU even if you don't want to game. And it's still slower than the Haswell G3220 in PC games (see benchmarks at PCPer).

It's a decent chip, sure, but the chip itself is over a 100$ and doesn't have APU graphics. Meanwhile, if you don't game, you can use the HD graphics on haswell celeron or haswell pentium. For 2D tasks, and I have tried them, the iGPU on those chips are 100% fine. The only case in which you want a dGPU is if you game.

So let's look at this FX6300 which you state is the "same price":

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113286

The chip alone is 120$. You consider a dGPU, 120$ CPU, 70-120$ mobo (more expensive for overclcoking) to be the "same price" as a Haswell celeron / pentium platform with H81 that costs as little as 70$ WITH GRAPHICS CAPABILITY?. If you get a low end motherboard with a dGPU, let's say you get a 150$ dGPU, you're looking at over 350$ for a mobo, CPU and dGPU with the FX6300. 270$ if you get a low end mobo that doens't overclock well. Yet according to you, "same price". With the haswell pentium or celeron you dont need a dGPU - as mentioned, iGPU is fine for 2d tasks. That total platform with mobo and CPU costs 70-100$. So 170$-230$ less is the "same price". Alrighty then.

A total platform with the FX6300 costs nearly 250$ with a dGPU. If you don't want a dGPU? Well sorry, that isn't an option. Even if you don't game, you don't get APU graphics. Like I said. It's a pretty good chip. But it isn't price comparable with Haswell or Celeron. Especially if you don't need to game with a dGPU. Clearly the statement of being "nearly the same price" is a complete non truth when you factor in mobo and chip costs alone. So the question becomes the reason for the non-truths. Why?

 

[blackened23]

Not sure what his statement had to do with politics, but both Oregon and New Hampshire lack a state sales tax.

Then again, we're talking about NEWEGG here. TAX doesn't matter in that context unless you live in NJ, IN, TN, or CA.

 

[AtenRa]

And special offers dont count because 98% of the world doesnt have access to them.

Unless you specifically targeting only a minor group of people.

 

[blackened23]

100% of the US has access to Newegg. Therefore 100% of the US has access to those newegg offers. And you can get these setups for far cheaper than the AMD options at newegg, and you get free shipping with no tax unless you live in CA, IN, TN, or NJ (those 4 states out of 50 pay tax to newegg).

G1820 + H81 mobo is around 90 bucks free shipping. G3220? 110$ with free shipping. With promo codes it is even cheaper, newegg had a V.ME promo a while back which allowed you to get those at even lower prices. Meanwhile, for some reason or other, the FX6300 which costs past 300$ with a dGPU (and a dGPU is required with FX6300, not required with Haswell) is being touted as the "same price". Gotta wonder about that.

 

[Erenhardt]

I saw someone selling new i7-4770k on ebay for $10, you know what that means... Everything is worthless because this single offer. Everyone could grab it - Worldwide shipping

 

[VirtualLarry]

So let's look at this FX6300 which you state is the "same price":

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113286

The chip alone is 120$. You consider a dGPU, 120$ CPU, 70-120$ mobo (more expensive for overclcoking) to be the "same price" as a Haswell celeron / pentium platform with H81 that costs as little as 70$ WITH GRAPHICS CAPABILITY?.

Your reading comprehension sucks. I mentioned a Microcenter combo in the sentence before that. Since Microcenter's web site is down tonight, I didn't link it (because I couldn't).
But rest assured, unless they've changed it in the last two days, you could get an FX-6300, and an AM3+ mobo with IGP, for $110.

Don't know what you're going on about requiring a dGPU.

 

[VirtualLarry]

G1820 + H81 mobo is around 90 bucks free shipping. G3220? 110$ with free shipping. With promo codes it is even cheaper, newegg had a V.ME promo a while back which allowed you to get those at even lower prices. Meanwhile, for some reason or other, the FX6300 which costs past 300$ with a dGPU (and a dGPU is required with FX6300, not required with Haswell) is being touted as the "same price". Gotta wonder about that.

First of all, you cannot use promo codes with combo items on Newegg. At least, not that I've ever seen.

Second, what are you going on about, requiring a dGPU with an FX-6300? The Microcenter combo is for an FX-6300, and a Gigabyte 760G AM3+ mobo, which contains a chipset IGP, which is fine for 2D, movie watching, and even light 3D gaming.

So you're wrong about two things.

Is not $110 "around the same price" as a Newegg Haswell Celeron / Pentium combo at Newegg?

Is not a 760G IGP sufficient for 2D tasks, as you stated the Haswell IGP is?

 

[AtenRa]

G1820 + H81 mobo is around 90 bucks free shipping.

Again,
cheapest mini-itx H81 at newegg is at $60,
the cheapest Socket 1150 SKU is the Celeron G1820 at $50.
Total of $110

Cheapest mini-itx AM1 mobo (with USB3 and HDMI) is at $35
Cheapest AM1 APU is the Sempron 2650 at $41
Total of $76

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Newegg charges tax in 4 states. Yes, 4 states. So I assume Trevader lives in CA, NJ, TN, or IN.

Are you saying only poor people buy AMD? That might be true. But here we have Haswell celeron pentium platforms costing about the same as the Kabini platform. So. Yeah. That makes the fact that Kabini is mentioned in this thread as comical.

Only poor people buy amd? lol. I could have bought any intel setup I wanted and went with a fx6300 combo at microcenter. It was so much more for the money it'd be stupid not to. When one is serious about growing wealth they don't simply throw money away so they can brag about it on the internet. Only poor people do that.

 

[Shivansps]

Again,
cheapest mini-itx H81 at newegg is at $60,
the cheapest Socket 1150 SKU is the Celeron G1820 at $50.
Total of $110

Cheapest mini-itx AM1 mobo (with USB3 and HDMI) is at $35
Cheapest AM1 APU is the Sempron 2650 at $41
Total of $76

There is a HUGE perf diff there, HUGE, you are really trying too hard to not accept reality here...
Sempron 2650 should not even be cited as a option by anybody, the Sempron 3850 is just a few bucks away.

Now, Sempron 3850+AM1 should be around $80 whiout specials, that to me its the only AM1 combo that worth noticing, since there is about $30 diff to G1820.

BUT ill hold my opinion on the combo until i see a review comparing it to a J1900 board, because @ 1.3ghz the J1900 gona be way faster.

This is now should be compared it:
Sempron 2650 vs J1800
Sempron 3850 vs J1900
Athlon 5150 vs J1900/G1820/A4-4000
Athlon 5350 vs G1820/A4-4000/A4-5300(?)

Each combo has its pro and cons and we need good reviews. And i think that Semprons may be able to go passive with stock cooling.

 

[coercitiv]

Are the Pentiums based on a 2+1 core? I'd like to know their die size.

 

[Blain]

Are the Pentiums based on a 2+1 core? I'd like to know their die size.

22 nm

 

[TreVader]

There are States without sales tax.

In which I do not live nor travel, I'm in CA. I think the last time newegg wasn't charging tax here was like 2003.





Newegg originally was crazy cheap. Then it got popular.

 

[TreVader]

Then again, we're talking about NEWEGG here. TAX doesn't matter in that context unless you live in NJ, IN, TN, or CA.

I live in CA. Very easy to prove, I've mentioned it numerous times.




I was unaware that most of the other states don't pay tax. That's kinda BS, last time I didn't pay sales tax on the internet was very very long ago.

 

[TreVader]

G1830 + H81 for $76 - $10 rebate = $66 AR @ Fry's B&M (in-store only)
http://www.frys.com/product/8057414

Jesus, I was way off.




I suppose there really is no reason to get Bay Trail or Kabini. They're both poor excuses for processors, and the strong Haswell dual cores are worth the extra money if it's <90

 

[Abwx]

There is a HUGE perf diff there, HUGE, you are really trying too hard to not accept reality here...
Sempron 2650 should not even be cited as a option by anybody, the Sempron 3850 is just a few bucks away.

Now, Sempron 3850+AM1 should be around $80 whiout specials, that to me its the only AM1 combo that worth noticing, since there is about $30 diff to G1820.

BUT ill hold my opinion on the combo until i see a review comparing it to a J1900 board, because @ 1.3ghz the J1900 gona be way faster.

This is now should be compared it:
Sempron 2650 vs J1800
Sempron 3850 vs J1900
Athlon 5150 vs J1900/G1820/A4-4000
Athlon 5350 vs G1820/A4-4000/A4-5300(?)

Each combo has its pro and cons and we need good reviews. And i think that Semprons may be able to go passive with stock cooling.

Not that simple, you re forgetting the J2850 and J2900....

 

[blackened23]

I suppose there really is no reason to get Bay Trail or Kabini. They're both poor excuses for processors <90

Correct. They're both horrible. That's what I've been saying, so I cannot understand why they're being compared to Pentium and Celeron HASWELL chips in this thread. BT is at least excellent on mobile, while kabini is horrible on both mobile and desktop. The performance deficiency with both Bay Trail and Kabini on desktop is so large that you can't in any way justify a 20-30$ difference for such a huge difference in performance. Some may argue the power angle. Well, as i've already discussed, the power difference is meaningless because all of these CPUs are sub 55W TDP; you can run all of them with a 300W PSU. This isn't a dGPU situation where the power ranges can be vast from 60W to 500W. It's not like that. All of these CPUs (BT, Kabini, celeron, pentium) are close and therefore it doesn't matter. Or the other power argument. Heat and noise. Some dGPUs can be hot and loud, case in point, reference GTX 480 or reference 290X - this is as a result of significantly high TDP and/or cooling solution used. This DOES NOT APPLY to any of these CPUs, so heat and noise is simply not a consideration. All of these CPUs are quiet, are sub 55W TDP, and can run off a 300W power supply. Trying to argue the power argument by TDP or heat/noise in favor of Kabini is lunacy, because all 4 of these chips are close to each other. Now the Bay Trail can be fanless to my understanding. Still, that does not in any way shape or form warrant the performance deficiency (as is the case with Kabini as well) given the minor price difference.

Now bay trail was designed for mobile. And it excels there. But it sucks on the desktop. Kabini? Same story, although it isn't good for mobile either. It sucks for desktop. It sucks for both mobile and desktop.

There is no situation in which anyone can make a compelling argument for Kabini in comparison to Haswell pentium or Haswell celeron. It's a joke that it is even being mentioned as a viable alternative in this thread.

Now I was unaware that some FX6300 boards had IGP graphics. (does anyone have BENCHMARKS on these motherboard IGP graphics??) Most do not. Still, microcenter does have combo deals on pentium and celeron. So if we go that route, we can easily find scenarios in which the pentium or celeron are better and cheaper. That said, the FX6300 is certainly a better comparison than the Kabini. The Kabini is not a good desktop CPU in any context. FX6300? It can be a good viable chip. Same for the 760K. It is generally more expensive, however. These are all pretty good budget CPUs. Kabini and BT are not good budget CPUs, even if they're 20-30$ cheaper.

The performance is simply god-awful for a desktop platform. Compounding matters is the fact that most of these motherboards either do not have or do not support full PCIE x16; on some of these boards you either CAN'T add a dGPU or even if you did, it would not help performance. You can find dGPU + Kabini desktop benchmarks in which the dGPU made almost zero difference. Conversely, you can create a VERY GOOD gaming machine with a Haswell Celeron / Pentium with a dGPU. PCPer put up an article on both AMD and intel based sub 550$ gaming PCs. They're quite capable for NOT a lot of money, even for PC gamers. Or if you want to roll with AMD. Now on average the 760k or FX6300 platforms will cost a bit more, but you can still make pretty good budget gaming PCs with these CPUs. Kabini and BT? They're a no-go.

As far as tax goes, i'm sure the golden age will end at some point. The vast majority of states do not require internet sales tax. Californians of course always get the shaft the worst when it comes to these things. Uncle Sam will get his if he wants it, and it seems that more states are wanting to get their share. Luckily, for most states they can get tax free PC gear from newegg along with free 2 day air shipping. Not a bad thing since newegg has pretty deals now and then. MC is good as well, however there is simply no way around the sales tax at MC.