Has anyone gone from a Windows 7 machine to an Apple and thought OMG...

[halik]

They were using the 6 cell battery not the optional 9 cell.

Also, crushing the competition across the board by a massive margin does cost battery life.

Also misses the point of a portable computer?

 

[Ns1]

They were using the 6 cell battery not the optional 9 cell.

Also, crushing the competition across the board by a massive margin does cost battery life.

when you're on an airplane trying to watch a few movies nobody gives a fuck that your laptop can play sc2 at 60FPS.

I just looked, <2 hours? LOL WTF

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4060/hp-envy-17-hps-macbook-pro-killer/5

HP offers a nine-cell battery as an upgrade for the Envy 17 and that should push the unit's idle running time at least over two hours

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3669/...o-more-battery-life-tests-display-evaluated/2

17in MBP = 476 minutes on light usage
Envy17 = 114 minutes idle



I realize that's from the mid-2009 MBP. Trying to find updated stats now.

 

[MrX8503]

Apparently you didn't search very hard. Link.

Not as thin, shoddy trackpad, no disc drive(original envy 14), poor battery life.

You have looked at Anandtechs front page today. Right?

Are talking about the fat ass of a laptop the Envy 17 at 1.5" thick? Yeah that's not gonna cut it.

 

[Acanthus]

Also misses the point of a portable computer?

Obviously a notebook with a 1080p screen a quad core and a GTX460 isn't focused on mobility.

It has the same level of "design" as a MBP though if you look at the build quality.

But since the only thing you want in a computer is portability... Every netbook on earth is cheaper than a MBP and holy shit the MBP must be awful because you can get netbooks with 10+ hours

It is hilarious that you want examples but don't state your priorities so you can pick apart anything presented to you.

 

[Ns1]

Obviously a notebook with a 1080p screen a quad core and a GTX460 isn't focused on mobility.

It has the same level of "design" as a MBP though if you look at the build quality.

But since the only thing you want in a computer is portability... Every netbook on earth is cheaper than a MBP

the MBP offers mobility AND power whereas the Hp17 is essentially a desktop replacement.

If I wanted a gaming laptop the HP17 would be a no brainer but as a REAL laptop that thing fucking sucks.

 

[MrX8503]

Obviously a notebook with a 1080p screen a quad core and a GTX460 isn't focused on mobility.

It has the same level of "design" as a MBP though if you look at the build quality.

But since the only thing you want in a computer is portability... Every netbook on earth is cheaper than a MBP and holy shit the MBP must be awful because you can get netbooks with 10+ hours

The MBP line is powerful, thin, and has remarkable battery life. Very few windows machines comes close to that kind of functionality.

Apple has custom batteries coupled with an optimized OS to give the best battery life possible in a small form factor.

The Envy 17 is big, fast, and has poor battery life. There's nothing special about that.

 

[CVSiN]

Yes, I thought "OMG I cant believe I paid so much money for this PoS just so I fit in at Starbucks!"

this...

and also when you go to the software section and you go.. thats it?

 

[Acanthus]

The MBP line is powerful, thin, and has remarkable battery life. Very few windows machines comes close to that kind of functionality.

Apple has custom batteries coupled with an optimized OS to give the best battery life possible in a small form factor.

The Envy 17 is big, fast, and has poor battery life. There's nothing special about that.

Those ultra powerful Core i5s... lol. It's thin because they use low-mid range hardware. The battery life is again because of the low-mid range hardware.

Unwinnable argument here.

My priorities are performance ("power") and cost. Yours are "thinness" and "power" and battery life.

 

[Ns1]

Those ultra powerful Core i5s... lol. It's thin because they use low-mid range hardware. The battery life is again because of the low-mid range hardware.

Unwinnable argument here.

My priorities are performance ("power") and cost. Yours are "thinness" and "power" and battery life.

how is it unwinnable? doesn't matter how much power you have if you don't have battery.

I don't need the biggest baddest most powerful machine on earth do check my email and browse the internet, what I fucking need is battery life.

Bolded part is most important - to you the MBP is a POS cuz it can't play SC2 at 90fps. To me the Hp17 is a POS cuz it can't get more than 2 hours of battery life.

hp17 = gas guzzling domestic with 400hp
MBP = toyota prius

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Yeah, I went "OMG I paid for this?!"

 

[Acanthus]

how is it unwinnable? doesn't matter how much power you have if you don't have battery.

I don't need the biggest baddest most powerful machine on earth do check my email and browse the internet, what I fucking need is battery life.

Bolded part is most important - to you the MBP is a POS cuz it can't play SC2 at 90fps. To me the Hp17 is a POS cuz it can't get more than 2 hours of battery life.

hp17 = gas guzzling domestic with 400hp
MBP = toyota prius

You have described the want for a netbook.

Oh wait, Apple doesn't make one of those.

 

[Ns1]

You have described the want for a netbook.

Oh wait, Apple doesn't make one of those.

no actually, i described a laptop with power that gets good battery use.

IMHO any laptop with less than 4 hours of battery life is not a real laptop (yes I realize a few last gen MBP's don't meet this criteria)

 

[halik]

Obviously a notebook with a 1080p screen a quad core and a GTX460 isn't focused on mobility.

It has the same level of "design" as a MBP though if you look at the build quality.

But since the only thing you want in a computer is portability... Every netbook on earth is cheaper than a MBP and holy shit the MBP must be awful because you can get netbooks with 10+ hours

It is hilarious that you want examples but don't state your priorities so you can pick apart anything presented to you.

I would imagine that people that shop for 17" MBP need the screen real estate on the go and don't really care for specs in terms of FPS in some game. Hell I don't care about the specs of my computer, aside from RAM.

Battery life is pretty critical for any laptop, otherwise you might as well get a desktop and save yourself some money. Then again, I never really understood the point of "gaming" laptops to begin with.

 

[Acanthus]

no actually, i described a laptop with power that gets good battery use.

IMHO any laptop with less than 4 hours of battery life is not a real laptop.

So you dont need a laptop with power to surf the internet and check email.

But you need a laptop with power when...

lol nevermind.

 

[Ns1]

I would imagine that people that shop for 17" MBP needs the screen real estate on the go and don't really care for specs in terms of FPS in some game. Battery life is pretty critical for any laptop, otherwise you might as well get a desktop.

I never really understood the point of "gaming" laptops

this.

So you dont need a laptop with power to surf the internet and check email.

But you need a laptop with power when...

lol nevermind.

if you can't see the difference between what you can do on a netbook versus what you can do on a laptop there's really no point continuing this discussion. I need SOME POWER, I just don't need SO MUCH POWER.

 

[Acanthus]

I would imagine that people that shop for 17" MBP needs the screen real estate on the go and don't really care for specs in terms of FPS in some game. Battery life is pretty critical for any laptop, otherwise you might as well get a desktop.

I never really understood the point of "gaming" laptops

"want to come over and game"

"sure"

*gets gaming laptop*

vs.

"want to come over and game"

"not really i dont want to haul my tower, keyboard, mouse, headset, display and speakers over."

 

[bfdd]

here's my question about the test with the Envy 17, did they do all the same optimizations inside Windows 7 that don't come set out of the box, but are in OSX as well and configured for longer battery life? Everyone knows Apple laptops cannot use more than 25&#37; of their CPU power while in battery mode, there's also tons of other settings that are configurable as well including turning down the wifi antennas power. We were able to squeeze just over another hour of battery life out of my roommates laptop playing with the settings.

 

[Acanthus]

this.



if you can't see the difference between what you can do on a netbook versus what you can do on a laptop there's really no point continuing this discussion. I need SOME POWER, I just don't need SO MUCH POWER.

So why not a CULV based notebook for less? Since we are now talking about the balance between power and performance.

 

[halik]

"want to come over and game"

"sure"

*gets gaming laptop*

vs.

"want to come over and game"

"not really i dont want to haul my tower, keyboard, mouse, headset, display and speakers over."

They have this thing called the interwebs nowadays where you can do games and other stuff with people without being in the same room...

It's not like you gotta bring you laptop over to plug all the controllers in; not a very realistic use case imo.

I guess unless you're doing this sort of thing...

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

windows = work
apple = play

apple trackpad > *

if you don't game anymore the MBP is awesome. The only reason I have a PC is for gaming.

Did I miss something here?

 

[Ns1]

"want to come over and game"

"sure"

*gets gaming laptop*

vs.

"want to come over and game"

"not really i dont want to haul my tower, keyboard, mouse, headset, display and speakers over."

so do you have any arguments that DON'T involve gaming?

 

[Ns1]

Did I miss something here?

gaming is serious business, not playtime.

 

[Acanthus]

so do you have any arguments that DON'T involve gaming?

Err someone said "I don't understand the point of a gaming laptop."

Hence my response.

 

[Ns1]

So why not a CULV based notebook for less? Since we are now talking about the balance between power and performance.

other reasons including but not limited to the trackpad.


When I buy a laptop I'm looking at the features that I will use MOST of the time, and 2 of the most critical components of any laptop are battery life and pointer (nub, trackpad, whatever).

Sorry but I'm not buying a laptop because twice a week I want to play Starcraft. If you're a gamer I 100&#37; agree that Apple sucks. But if you're NOT a gamer I just don't see where most of the population NEEDS so much power.

 

[Acanthus]

They have this thing called the interwebs nowadays where you can do games and other stuff with people without being in the same room...

It's not like you gotta bring you laptop over to plug all the controllers in; not a very realistic use case imo.

Sometimes i like interacting with other humans.