[H] Battlefield 3 Open Beta Performance and Image Quality

[Silverforce11]

Would be funny if they actually FINALLY put 3dNow! to good use... /lol

 

[Olikan]

Would be intersting to know why the AMD CPU's are doing so well. If gaming evolved as anything to do with it. Should we be excited that AMD can squeeze perfomace out of their CPU's by helping the devs or should be worried AMD is doing something sinister to the Intel CPUs

i have heard in some forums that, gaming evolved titles usually work similar to server aplications... where cores and memory acess are the key

 

[Lonbjerg]

Would be intersting to know why the AMD CPU's are doing so well. If gaming evolved as anything to do with it. Should we be excited that AMD can squeeze perfomace out of their CPU's by helping the devs or should be worried AMD is doing something sinister to the Intel CPUs

You are using a GPU limited senario to jugde CPU performance...funny guy.

 

[toyota]

You are using a GPU limited senario to jugde CPU performance...funny guy.

well if it was truly gpu limited situation then all the top cpus would be getting the same framerate. it is odd to see AMD doing so well here as the 2500k would have to be oced just to match the Phenom 2 X4.

 

[Lonbjerg]

well if it was truly gpu limited situation then all the top cpus would be getting the same framerate. it is odd to see AMD doing so well here as the 2500k would have to be oced just to match the Phenom 2 X4.

You are forgetting that DX11 does stuff on the CPU to (in the driver)...try googling it.

I se nothing but GPU limitation...except for those poor dual core CPU's that dosn't have the power to feed the GPU.

 

[toyota]

You are forgetting that DX11 does stuff on the CPU to (in the driver)...try googling it.

I se nothing but GPU limitation...except for those poor dual core CPU's that dosn't have the power to feed the GPU.

and why does that matter as the AMD cpus have to do the same thing as Intel?

 

[Lonbjerg]

and why does that matter as the AMD cpus have to do the same thing as Intel?

Because they don't perform the same?
And because the added FPS with faster and faster CPU is so little that only the CPU part of the DX11 GPU driver fits the profile.

What do you think the graphs tells?!

 

[Makaveli]

You are using a GPU limited senario to jugde CPU performance...funny guy.

This ^^^

Were talking about a 3 fps difference which means nothing.

We aren't talking about going from unplayable to playable.

I've seen alot of people on the hardocp talking about this also like its some kinda big deal.

 

[Spjut]

The CPU chart at least shows that people with old/budget quads don't need to upgrade to enjoy this game

The only thing it misses is the Phenom 1s

 

[SirPauly]

I agree that there was no evidence of memory limitations in [H]'s review. It would be easy to see because they actually post the realtime graphs. A lot of people only want to see minimum/avg./max frame rates. Not very useful, IMO. Real time graphs tell the whole story so much better.

That's what it seems to me but what has me puzzled is these consistent wins by AMD in dramatic fashion. Over-all, the GTX 580, GTX 570 and GTX 560 TI are better performers but lose 12-15 percent to lesser performers over-all. For an investigation that may of lacked consistency, the wins were consistent by AMD. They claim small wins but 12-15 percent are not small but convincing and when you add the context of pricing, very convincing.

Granted, it's early.

 

[happy medium]

The CPU chart at least shows that people with old/budget quads don't need to upgrade to enjoy this game

The only thing it misses is the Phenom 1s

That seems true, 3 cores dont seem to do well.

"I must add that Battlefield felt smooth even at 30-40 FPS and was playable, with only 3 cores the game started stuttering a bit and became annoying."
http://benchmark3d.com/battlefield-3-beta-performance-preview

 

[toyota]

disabling 2 cores in this game does NOT work properly and will NOT give you an indication of how the game will perform with a real dual core cpu. you can see that in the reviews that use real dual core because they are getting 40 fps yet 2 cores disabled on fast quad gives you an unplayable 10-15fps framerate.

although rare the same thing can happen in some other games too.

 

[Skurge]

This ^^^

Were talking about a 3 fps difference which means nothing.

We aren't talking about going from unplayable to playable.

I've seen alot of people on the hardocp talking about this also like its some kinda big deal.

Yes, thats true, but even an AMD fan such as myself doesn't expect a phenom x4 to be within 3FPS of a 2600k (slower or faster). In almost every game except Dirt3 or F12010 the 2600k is miles ahead of the phenom.

So either there is something going on with gaming evolved titles or even with a GTX580 the CPU doesn't matter as much as most people (including myself) say.

 

[SirPauly]

What you're seeing mostly is GPU limitations with the GTX 580 example, imho, with BattleField.

 

[Makaveli]

Yes, thats true, but even an AMD fan such as myself doesn't expect a phenom x4 to be within 3FPS of a 2600k (slower or faster). In almost every game except Dirt3 or F12010 the 2600k is miles ahead of the phenom.

So either there is something going on with gaming evolved titles or even with a GTX580 the CPU doesn't matter as much as most people (including myself) say.

And why wouldn't you expect it in a GPU limited title.

Aslong as you have a quad to feed this game the bottleneck is on the gpu.

 

[AtenRa]

This ^^^

Were talking about a 3 fps difference which means nothing.

We aren't talking about going from unplayable to playable.

I've seen alot of people on the hardocp talking about this also like its some kinda big deal.

You downgrade the importance of this outcome,

Until now it was known that Intel CPUs were faster in Gaming and it is still true for a lot of games, but in the latest DX-11 games AMD CPUs perform very close to Core i5/i7 and with a better price/performance ratio.

If this trend will continue in newer DX-11 games (or at least in Gaming Evolve Games), then AMD CPUs will be much better for that games and Gamers will recommend them for their better performance/price over Intel CPUs.

For once again i will have to say that FX4xxx series could be the best performance/price (when OC) CPU for Gaming, simple due to lack of competition.

We will find out soon

 

[Makaveli]

You downgrade the importance of this outcome,

Until now it was known that Intel CPUs were faster in Gaming and it is still true for a lot of games, but in the latest DX-11 games AMD CPUs perform very close to Core i5/i7 and with a better price/performance ratio.

If this trend will continue in newer DX-11 games (or at least in Gaming Evolve Games), then AMD CPUs will be much better for that games and Gamers will recommend them for their better performance/price over Intel CPUs.

For once again i will have to say that FX4xxx series could be the best performance/price (when OC) CPU for Gaming, simple due to lack of competition.

We will find out soon

I understand the point.

But it doesn't change the fact that intel cpu's offer more performance than AMD current line up for the vast majority of software and that hasn't changed in well over 3 years now.

I do more than just play games on my computer so that fact that AMD "wins" a few game benchmarks by 3 fps or 5 fps doesn't change my outlook on the situation at all.

And I still wouldn't recommend and AMD build over SB if performance is your primary concern.

Many of us hope that BD will be competitive because we all need lower prices but one game one win means nothing.

If all I cared about was gaming I'd buy a console

 

[Skurge]

And why wouldn't you expect it in a GPU limited title.

Aslong as you have a quad to feed this game the bottleneck is on the gpu.

So the CPU isn't as important as most people would say as long as you have a quad?

 

[absoluteczech]

So the CPU isn't as important as most people would say as long as you have a quad?

game specs say dual core as min. req and recommended are quad. so id say yes. 0.02

 

[absoluteczech]

i have a q9550 w/ 8gb ram. OC'd

running a single 4870x2 on 1680x1050 and getting low 30's to high 50's with everything on high 2x aa 8x af

 

[Grooveriding]

So the CPU isn't as important as most people would say as long as you have a quad?

Perhaps the game makes such good use of 4 cores, that having those 4 cores alone is enough to get you good performance. Assuming you have a modern CPU; Core2Q, i5/i7, Phenom II etc.

 

[Makaveli]

i have a q9550 w/ 8gb ram. OC'd

running a single 4870x2 on 1680x1050 and getting low 30's to high 50's with everything on high 2x aa 8x af

What is your fps like with no AA?

And is HBAO on or off?

 

[Makaveli]

Perhaps the game makes such good use of 4 cores, that having those 4 cores alone is enough to get you good performance. Assuming you have a modern CPU; Core2Q, i5/i7, Phenom II etc.

This ^^^

The only game i've seen that gets a decent boost over 4 cores is civ 5.

I think anyone building a machine now and in the past 2 years that was serious about gaming would have gotten nothing less than a quad core chip so I think that fact that dice aimed for that makes sense.

 

[Stuka87]

From what I have seen in the BF3 Beta, just about any Quad with a decent clock speed runs the game with zero issues. When I monitor my CPU usage with my Phenom II it never even gets close to being pegged. I can even record with FRAPS while playing and not notice any difference in playability.

Now admittedly I am VERY GPU limited, and I am playing with most things set to low. But I see the same on a friends rig with an older i5 and a faster GPU than me. CPU is NOT a bottleneck at all if its a decent quad.

This completely explains why all the CPU's get the same FPS give or take 2-3fps. Does this mean AMD's are suddenly way better than Intel? No... What it means is newer games make MUCH better use of four cores. This also negates the Turbo Boost advantage that Intel has in single/dual threaded games.

So with both AMD and Intel CPU's being fast enough to run the game without issue, it all falls on the GPU. Which has been the case for most any game that makes good use of four cores.

 

[Olikan]

hey, i have some questions...
well the thing is, a user in a brazillian forum was talking about that bf3 works similar to a server app. it likes cores and memory acess.

anyone knows if a triple/quad channel improve something?

oh well, writing this made me wonder...
overclocking the L3 caches from the phenoms throght nb-overclok, may give good results too