Daverino
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a gallup poll that shows a <2% trend, that's completely within their own confessed margin of error, since 1972? Really? :hmm:
15% > 2%
a gallup poll that shows a <2% trend, that's completely within their own confessed margin of error, since 1972? Really? :hmm:
So thirty years of polling data is not relevant because you think people are lying. This leads me to conclude that:
1. You don't know anything about statistics
2. You thought Romney was totally going to win in 2012.
I would say the large number of guns would logically indicate a higher rate of violent crime, while at the same time, guns in the hands of "good guys" defending themselves bring that rate down to that of an unarmed country. So it's essentially a wash, with the suckers unwilling\unable to have a gun getting the short end of the stick.
Then that would mean that a city with an unarmed populace such as New York City would have a much higher crime rate than an well armed city such as Houston, Texas. However Houston's homicide rate is twice that of New York City.
Next argument please. . .
Wait, your argument seems to suggest that the criminals in New York City would still have guns, and that no one else would. That can't be right.
15% > 2%
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http://www.ammobank.com/cgi-bin/cshop/store/detail.tam?item.ctx=:P9HS2
http://www.venturamunitions.com/lehigh-defense-9mm-105-gr-cf-20-rounds/
http://www.brownells.com/ammunition...=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-Avantlink-_-Custom+Link
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-MAG9D10
I've seen some much cheaper, but i was giving a range.
At 75 cents a round though, that's 225 a month/2700 a year for 300 rounds a month... thats a pretty expensive hobby
You don't understand how to read statistical trends, at all.
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If that is true, then you have a source for your data, correct? Please post your source in your next reply.
I do not know any gun owners shoot expensive defense rounds at the range in the number of hundreds of round per month. The Hornady that I mentioned above is for my CCW, not for normal range use/practice.
Typical 9 mm to be use at the range would be around $.30 per round or less.
I usually use about 100 rounds to 200 rounds (cheap stuffs) per month (average overall per year - typically). So my ammo cost is about $30 to $50 per month (typically).
I posted 3 independent polls and the conclusions of both a left wing and a right wing newspaper. All five conclude that the number of households owning guns has declined over the past forty years. If you're uncomfortable with that, you can believe whatever you want.
Can't help ya.
Then that would mean that a city with an unarmed populace such as New York City would have a much higher crime rate than an well armed city such as Houston, Texas. However Houston's homicide rate is twice that of New York City.
Next argument please. . .
Most of the gun grabbers are covert NRA gun manufacturers out to boost sales among the paranoid demented, a big source of their income. Anybody know a good deal on a colt combat commander 45? I have a fancy for one.
I usually shoot 250 rounds of Speer Gold Dots (or similar) a month plus another 500 rounds of 5.56... I don't really consider it a hobby though, I don't get much enjoyment out of shooting, it's not fun to me.
It's not really worth explaining it to you. I don't give a fuck what you have to say anyway. There could be a Sandy Hook every week for a year and it wouldn't change my opinion on the right of free me to possess relevant arms. I've personally used a firearm to defend myself numerous times.
I've said tin foil hat for a reason, but there was a real attempt to ban lead, ammunition sales, they've limited importation, NY is confiscating guns and so forth. Thanks to people like Bloomberg, there is a real fear of gun grabbers in some places, and fears of gun sales being banned in others (or ammunition permits being needed or other such crap.)
Chart shows about a 15% drop in household ownership over the last 40 years. Pew Research and shows the same:
http://www.people-press.org/2013/03/12/section-3-gun-ownership-trends-and-demographics/
As does the General Social Survey.
The NYTimes writes about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html
But if you don't like that Commie rag, try Glenn Beck's The Blaze for the exact same information: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...rica-and-is-gun-ownership-actually-declining/
And it also shows severe fluctuations, especially recently. Noise is not a downward trend. By your logic there was a "steady upward trend" in the early 90s.
No. And I'm getting tired of having to explain my posts to you.
I'm saying we will NOT become a crime-ridden dystopia if we enact gun control. I didn't use tricky language or try to deceive you. You simply read what you wanted to read and then posted a rebuttal to what you really wanted to see.
I've said tin foil hat for a reason, but there was a real attempt to ban lead, ammunition sales, they've limited importation, NY is confiscating guns and so forth. Thanks to people like Bloomberg, there is a real fear of gun grabbers in some places, and fears of gun sales being banned in others (or ammunition permits being needed or other such crap.)
Bwahahahaha!
Here we go, the Anandtech gun Rambo who's defended himself not just ONCE but MULTIPLE TIMES with his guns.
Unless you were in the military and stationed overseas? Bull-fucking-shit.
You're about the third person in this forum that's had to 'go there' and say you actually used a gun in self defense. Nothing like throwing your argument in the shitter like using unlikely and unverifiable claims on the internet.
Then that would mean that a city with an unarmed populace such as New York City would have a much higher crime rate than an well armed city such as Houston, Texas. However Houston's homicide rate is twice that of New York City.
Next argument please. . .