Vic
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Why don't you tell us where you live and let us be the judge of that?
Regardless, it does not matter if crime exist where you live or not (although it certainly does). There is no reason why a law-abiding citizen should be denied the right to defend himself, with a gun if necessary, even if the actual need to defend himself never comes along in his lifetime.
For example, if there actually was no crime where you live, should your community disband the police? If there were no fires, should you disband the fire department? Of course not, as prudence says that the need may come along someday, and probably when you least expect it.
Small-brained fools like yourself are why I occasionally have doubts about the long-term viability of democracy.
Rumpltzer
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It's cool that you're confident about being able to defend yourself and loved ones without a gun. Perhaps others just aren't as confident?
Do you think you'd still be as confident when faced with a 120lb pimply-faced kid holding a 9mm?
I don't own a gun... but if I did, it'd be for the sole purpose of pumping rounds into whitey and capping old ladies... and opening stuff.
DrPizza
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Why do I have guns? So my gun cabinet doesn't look stupid just sitting there without guns in it.
Actually... hunting and target shooting.
For self defense, I'd honestly have to say that my guns won't do me much good - they're locked up, and downstairs in my house (locked separately from the ammo)
On the other hand, if you were a criminal who broke into my house, you'd discover that I'm equally deadly with a bow. (Somehow I know that there are deer out there laughing at that last statement)
Okay... equally deadly within 30 - 40 yards. Plus the bow won't make as big of a mess... just a "+" shaped hole where it goes in, and a "+" shaped hole where it goes out. (and a "+" shaped hole where it goes into the wall)
Actually... hunting and target shooting.
For self defense, I'd honestly have to say that my guns won't do me much good - they're locked up, and downstairs in my house (locked separately from the ammo)
On the other hand, if you were a criminal who broke into my house, you'd discover that I'm equally deadly with a bow. (Somehow I know that there are deer out there laughing at that last statement)
Okay... equally deadly within 30 - 40 yards. Plus the bow won't make as big of a mess... just a "+" shaped hole where it goes in, and a "+" shaped hole where it goes out. (and a "+" shaped hole where it goes into the wall)
Fenixgoon
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the whole problem with firearms rests in education. when you educate people about firearms, they are less likely to commit a crime ever (using firearms). look at cars: when people dont know how to drive, they become a 60mph, 3000lb weapon. when some 16 year old punk doesnt realize the serious responsibility, he ends up mugging and shooting a police officer (happened in washington DC a week or two ago).
my uncle (a gun advocate, owns shotguns, rifles, pistols) told me about the "Eddie the Eagle" program. can't remember where they use it. it's a firearm education program for kids and adults. after the state/county employed it, violent crimes with guns dropped a significant amount.
my uncle (a gun advocate, owns shotguns, rifles, pistols) told me about the "Eddie the Eagle" program. can't remember where they use it. it's a firearm education program for kids and adults. after the state/county employed it, violent crimes with guns dropped a significant amount.
What I am more interested in talking about is the world we live in now. A world were people are assaulted robbed killed and raped. Thats my world.
People can harm one another with fist bottles and tire irons but I don't see that many killings due to road rage or parking spots but I do see that my sister her husband her kids, my father my stepmom and the rest of my family excluding me and my mom live in the city that consistenly ranks as having the highest crime rate in the country.They are households that have firearms, does that make them safer.... maybe maybe not.Hopefully they won't find out.
Also there was a similar thread yesterday and I mentioned in that thread that my fathersuccessfully used a firearm to prevent a burgulary of our home when I was younger.Whats your response to that.
Let me ask this of the gun owners here that say they own a gun for protection. Where do you keep this gun?
Vic
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Yes. Quite the contrary, it would be the politest, most law-abiding society on earth. Remember that you said that everyone would be packing. You'd mind your P's and Q's and keep that weapon of yours in its holster where it belonged lest the other guy prove to be faster and have a better aim.
And no one said or implied that there wouldn't still be law enforcement or that the right to carry weapons would extend to convicted criminals. In this theoretical society, convicted criminals (i.e. murders) would not have the right to carry a weapon, and would be in a very disadvantageous situation compared to their law-abiding neighbors who would be allowed. Hence the reasons to be law-abiding would be that much stronger.
This ain't rocket science...
Vic
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Yep. Don't you know that, according to krunchykrome, just pulling a gun on someone entitles them to all your property and even your life. Of course the fault is yours for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, even if that wrong place and time was at home in your bed.Originally posted by: edro13
Well it's obvious... your dad is a meany! How dare he be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If only he had been in Kansas at the time, the burglar would have gotten away with your possessions and onto another home to get more.
But rest assured, good citizens, just the act of outlawing guns will make them all magically disappear (except those in the hands of our good and honest law enforcement personnel, who would never abuse their power).
:roll:
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Pliablemoose
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I grew up in the Dakotas around guns & had a pretty decent collection till I went to college, & enede up selling them to pay tuition. Moved to Texas & didn't feel the need to own one.
Got married, my wife's ex was a drunken looser, he 7 a buddy of his dropped by one night to pick up his kid, they were both drunk. I prevented them from taking the child but got assaulted in the process & was pretty bruised up. I called the police before fists started to fly, but they showed up 15 min after the drunks left, took them 2 hours to catch them. Both were convicted of assault, wife's ex got a DUI.
I got to thinking, what if they'd been less drunk, and bought my first gun in 10 years.
Skip forward ~5 years, I was @ home, had just totaled a Honda CRX (no car in the driveway) the day before & was chilling on pain medications. Heard a diesel engine pull up to the garage, grabbedgun & walked out front, lo & behold, it was an ex GF & 2 guys, there to burglarize me. I called 911 & held them @ gunpoint till they were carted off by Sheriff's dept.
Skip forward 2 years, I had just been awarded custody of a 14 year old ex stepdaughter who decides to turn a movie date into a drunken overnight sex party, I go to her BF's house, extract her, BF & big brother decide they feel my parenting skills suck & start kicking the crap out of me, I get to my car, take a gun from under the seat, fire it into the ground and they run away. Police show up ~ 1 hour later, bad guys get arrested, both go to jail.
So basically, I use my guns to protect myself, your argument about being tough enough fall apart when you're attacked by more than one person. I also hunt & target shoot.
Don't get me wrong my current wife & 2 daughters are all taking martial arts classes & are pretty decent, I think being able to protect yourself is important.
Got married, my wife's ex was a drunken looser, he 7 a buddy of his dropped by one night to pick up his kid, they were both drunk. I prevented them from taking the child but got assaulted in the process & was pretty bruised up. I called the police before fists started to fly, but they showed up 15 min after the drunks left, took them 2 hours to catch them. Both were convicted of assault, wife's ex got a DUI.
I got to thinking, what if they'd been less drunk, and bought my first gun in 10 years.
Skip forward ~5 years, I was @ home, had just totaled a Honda CRX (no car in the driveway) the day before & was chilling on pain medications. Heard a diesel engine pull up to the garage, grabbedgun & walked out front, lo & behold, it was an ex GF & 2 guys, there to burglarize me. I called 911 & held them @ gunpoint till they were carted off by Sheriff's dept.
Skip forward 2 years, I had just been awarded custody of a 14 year old ex stepdaughter who decides to turn a movie date into a drunken overnight sex party, I go to her BF's house, extract her, BF & big brother decide they feel my parenting skills suck & start kicking the crap out of me, I get to my car, take a gun from under the seat, fire it into the ground and they run away. Police show up ~ 1 hour later, bad guys get arrested, both go to jail.
So basically, I use my guns to protect myself, your argument about being tough enough fall apart when you're attacked by more than one person. I also hunt & target shoot.
Don't get me wrong my current wife & 2 daughters are all taking martial arts classes & are pretty decent, I think being able to protect yourself is important.
Yes.
Are you fully certain that every person you know owns absolutely zero firearms?[/quote]
You can tell who has a gun and sho doesnt. Education, career success, appearance.
Pliablemoose
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