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Originally posted by: K1052
Normal firearms transactions are not regularly registered with the government. The dealer holds on to the firearms transfer form that you fill out.
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Every firearm sale (besides black powder) has to be passed through the feds who may approve, reject, or put the sale on hold indefinately. They recently changed the "hold" rules which allowed a sale to take place of a rifle/shotgun if no approval was given after three days, at least around here. Those records are protected like gold. My name is on many of them as the person who filled out the form, so if there is ever a crime with that gun I will be contacted even if I move or quit my job. Handguns sales are much, much worse. If anyone thinks sales are easy they're very misinformed. Luckily after a few legal sales in which the firearm has passed hands the government would have to really work on tracking it down. Yes, I am one of those guys who wouldn't let go of my firearms unless someone used major physical force against me.

"Classy, the thing that you fail to understand is that, just like you, guns are a tool." -->Quote of the day
 
On Sunday the cops removed 22 handguns of different caliber and a whole closet full of ammo from the house of the Whacko who lives across the street from me. The very next day he was admitted to the Phsyc Ward for observation!
 
Originally posted by: Brule
Originally posted by: K1052
Normal firearms transactions are not regularly registered with the government. The dealer holds on to the firearms transfer form that you fill out.
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Every firearm sale (besides black powder) has to be passed through the feds who may approve, reject, or put the sale on hold indefinately. They recently changed the "hold" rules which allowed a sale to take place of a rifle/shotgun if no approval was given after three days, at least around here. Those records are protected like gold. My name is on many of them as the person who filled out the form, so if there is ever a crime with that gun I will be contacted even if I move or quit my job. Handguns sales are much, much worse. If anyone thinks sales are easy they're very misinformed. Luckily after a few legal sales in which the firearm has passed hands the government would have to really work on tracking it down. Yes, I am one of those guys who wouldn't let go of my firearms unless someone used major physical force against me.

"Classy, the thing that you fail to understand is that, just like you, guns are a tool." -->Quote of the day
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Yea, the dealer runs the NICS check. Nothing is actually registered with the feds.
They just make sure there is no cause to deny the sale (felony conviction, recorded mental disorder, etc).
 
I initially bought my guns (Bushmaster M4 carbine, Glock 19 9mm) because I enjoy shooting. I spent awhile in the army, which I had to fire weapons pretty much constantly, so that initially got me hooked. Now I mainly go to the gun club and shoot (since in hawaii theres no room for hunting with a assult rifle), or keep them locked up at home for additional security. I pity the person who breaks into my house.
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: Stefan
Guns are the most cowardly weapon man has ever invented (well maybe next to a nuclear bomb). I don't mind if people use a gun for target practice or even killing an occasional deer/duck, etc IF you plan on eating it. (You "sport hunters" who kill animals and just leave the bodies disgust me).

Anyone who uses a gun on a human is a coward. The criminal who uses one to rob a bank is a coward and the person who tries to defend themselves is a coward, although I can see justification in having a gun to protect yourself. There is no respect for life when you use a gun. It's too easy to kill someone.
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I guess you could say the same thing for a bow then. They were both devised to hurl a projectile at speed and with accuracy.

A gun is a tool. How you use it defines whether or not you are cowardly. To ambush someone in order to shoot them dead is cowardly. To defend yourself from a dangerous attacker is not. For you to call someone who defends themselves a coward just boggles the mind. I guess you would prefer it if the criminals just had open season on citizens, but most of us wouldn't agree with you.
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Well I agree with what you are saying and that would have been more fitting for what I was trying to say, however I would like to make a comment. I think that people should be trained in some kind of self defense. A 100lb woman can take down a 250lb man if she knows how to defend herself. Maybe what I should say is that using a gun should be the very last line of defense if everything else fails.
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Yes, I also agree people should be trained in self-defensive, as it would solve a portion of possable disputes. However, I also believe that having a gun is a good thing, and not cowardly at all provided:
1. You are trained up on that particular weapon, its legal, and have saftey training for it.
2. You use it as a last resort, not just shoot first ask questions later.
3. Your life is in danger, and you only use it in self defense.

Ive been using various firearms for years, and in the past they have saved my life on numerous occassions (military applications, not civilian). Yes, I do keep my guns at home, however I hold very strict guidlines on how they are stored and secured, and never take them from my house unless they are locked up and secured, and I have a reason for taking them (ie: range). The people who carry around handguns on their person or in their car for self defense in my opinion are going a bit overboard (depending on where they live of couse, and their situation), but it is their right.

And yes, a 100lb woman can take down a 250lb man if she knows how to defend herself, but if that man has a weapon of some sort, shes screwed (in MOST cases). In that situation a guns use would be warranted IMHO.
 
Originally posted by: SilentZero

The people who carry around handguns on their person or in their car for self defense in my opinion are going a bit overboard (depending on where they live of couse, and their situation), but it is their right.
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I have a CCW permit, & I have to admit, I got tired of the extra responsibility fairly quickly, the number of times I've carried in the last year-2-4X... We've had some pretty wierd stuff going on that's finally resolved. Woman claiming common-law marriage so she could get the proceeds of a wrongful death lawsuit of my stepdaughter's biological father kind of stuff. The courts threw it all out, (mediation next month for the settlement, minus the evil biatch...) the settlement could be worth lots of $...
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
On Sunday the cops removed 22 handguns of different caliber and a whole closet full of ammo from the house of the Whacko who lives across the street from me. The very next day he was admitted to the Phsyc Ward for observation!
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Not a shocker really.....I bet living that close to you would drive anyone crazy. 😉
 
Originally posted by: SilentZero
I initially bought my guns (Bushmaster M4 carbine, Glock 19 9mm) because I enjoy shooting. I spent awhile in the army, which I had to fire weapons pretty much constantly, so that initially got me hooked. Now I mainly go to the gun club and shoot (since in hawaii theres no room for hunting with a assult rifle), or keep them locked up at home for additional security. I pity the person who breaks into my house.
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I don't know what states, if any, let you hunt with an "assult" rifle, or why you would even want to. If one wants to hunt with an M-1 Garand in Alaska (.30-06 being a decent caliber to take down a moose with) you have to substitute a five round magazine for the eight rounder, and do a couple of other things to the gun if I recall correctly. I imagine they would be even more restrictive if a person wanted to try and hunt with an AR-15.
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
I don't know what states, if any, let you hunt with an "assult" rifle, or why you would even want to. If one wants to hunt with an M-1 Garand in Alaska (.30-06 being a decent caliber to take down a moose with) you have to substitute a five round magazine for the eight rounder, and do a couple of other things to the gun if I recall correctly. I imagine they would be even more restrictive if a person wanted to try and hunt with an AR-15.
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The term "assult" is thrown around for politics more than anything else. It is perfectly legal to hunt with a assult rifle, as long as they pass certain requirements. I have hunted with an SKS before. Not the best in the world, but light to carry and great for quick firing while walking. To make it legal a plug was required, no bannana clip, 🙂 and of course only semi-auto. One other thing, the bayonet had to be taken off, no joke. Who do they think would use a bayonet to stab a fricken deer? Maybe it would be good for sloth hunting, but whoever thought of that law is an idiot.

The 7.62x39 round is large enough for deer, but I don't know about Moose with a Mini-14 or something. I never quite understood the big deal about assult rifles. There are very few times when an assult rifle would be the best weapon for a criminal. They are very fun to fire. Overall I agree that they're not made for big game hunting. Today most hunters use scopes and expensive, high-cailber rifles. I've never been a big fan of scopes, so I'll stick with my 30-40 Craig. It may not get there fast, but when it hits everyone will know it. :evil:
 
One of the reasons assault rifles became problematic is that Joe Gangbanger claimed he had his to hunt deer (in the middle of Compton 😉 ).

Not to many gangsters are using 30-06's to bust up a liquor store on a saturday night 🙂.

Now the problem with all of this is it was only a minor problem really...much like DUI's....very very few of all injury accidents can be attributed directly to any alcohol, even less fatals. Fact is driving is dangerous. One of the ways they boost stats on it is to include all impairment type drugs (if not also including sleeping at the wheel and others).

I said let anyone own whatever weapons they want, as long as the ammo and supplies are stable enough for where they are storing them. You wouldn't want to have live grenades and even a lot of ammo stored in an apartment...however living on a ranch 1/2 mile from anyone else would perhaps open the doors to personal rockets.

Use law enforcement and the national guard should someone get crazy. Casualties may happen but I think it would even out the playing field better...we are supposed to be free right? Make laws and allow people to manage themselves....once things start getting banned and having to be categorized and labeled, freedom is lost.
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: SilentZero

The people who carry around handguns on their person or in their car for self defense in my opinion are going a bit overboard (depending on where they live of couse, and their situation), but it is their right.
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I have a CCW permit, & I have to admit, I got tired of the extra responsibility fairly quickly, the number of times I've carried in the last year-2-4X... We've had some pretty wierd stuff going on that's finally resolved. Woman claiming common-law marriage so she could get the proceeds of a wrongful death lawsuit of my stepdaughter's biological father kind of stuff. The courts threw it all out, (mediation next month for the settlement, minus the evil biatch...) the settlement could be worth lots of $...
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I also have a CCW permit, but I just don't really like carrying a gun. I always worry that something will happen and I'll wish I was packing though...
 
I've been thinking about buying a gun.

I watched Dawn of the Dead a few weeks ago, and I've been thinking about it since. I mean, as it is, if I woke up in the morning and 95% of the population had turned into flesh-eating zombies, I'd be fvcked. I'd be stuck in the middle of the most densely populated area in the world, and the only weapon I'd have would be an unsharpened decorative sword and a kitchen knife.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
I've been thinking about buying a gun.

I watched Dawn of the Dead a few weeks ago, and I've been thinking about it since. I mean, as it is, if I woke up in the morning and 95% of the population had turned into flesh-eating zombies, I'd be fvcked. I'd be stuck in the middle of the most densely populated area in the world, and the only weapon I'd have would be an unsharpened decorative sword and a kitchen knife.
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LOL, don't know if you're serious or making fun of gun owners, but you made me smile😀

Originally posted by: Nebor

I also have a CCW permit, but I just don't really like carrying a gun. I always worry that something will happen and I'll wish I was packing though...
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I know what you mean, when I'm out & around I'm always conscious of exits, etc to be able to leave an area quickly, those folks that were killed in Luby's were like fish in a barrel
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
I've been thinking about buying a gun.

I watched Dawn of the Dead a few weeks ago, and I've been thinking about it since. I mean, as it is, if I woke up in the morning and 95% of the population had turned into flesh-eating zombies, I'd be fvcked. I'd be stuck in the middle of the most densely populated area in the world, and the only weapon I'd have would be an unsharpened decorative sword and a kitchen knife.
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New York\New Jersey wouldn't be a good place to be with or without a gun. You need a helicopter.
 
Rights have responsibilities. The right to life is one of the three human rights. The responsibility to be your own first line of defense is its requirement. How you meet that requirement is no one else's (including government) business.
.bh.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: loki8481
I've been thinking about buying a gun.

I watched Dawn of the Dead a few weeks ago, and I've been thinking about it since. I mean, as it is, if I woke up in the morning and 95% of the population had turned into flesh-eating zombies, I'd be fvcked. I'd be stuck in the middle of the most densely populated area in the world, and the only weapon I'd have would be an unsharpened decorative sword and a kitchen knife.
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New York\New Jersey wouldn't be a good place to be with or without a gun. You need a helicopter.
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with my luck, I'd be stuck inside my office. security is great -- shatter-proof doors and bio-metric scans to get past every door after the first floor -- but no food and no weapons. no to mention no windows 😉
 
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: edro13
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Alot of people are saying that they own a gun for defense and security/protection....but I have to ask, is it really necessary to own a gun in order to protect yourself and your family? Most families are protecting themselves fine without guns....so what do you guys think about the families who believe they dont need a gun to protect themselves?
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Then...how do they protect themselves? Rocks?
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So you NEED a gun to protect yourself?
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I think your opinion would change if you read a few of the stories in the NRA magazine. Every month, they have a section with ~5-10 stories about home/self defense.

Have you ever been robbed at gun point? Have you ever been raped? Have you ever been shot? I haven't... but I think I would feel extremely helpless.

Read a few of those stories and it will change your mind.

"It will never happen to me is just ignorant."


Here are some stories.
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I am very aware that I could be robbed at gunpoint, or be a victim of another violent crime, but I will still not own a gun. I would do my best to defend myself without a gun.
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You have the right to NOT own a gun too. Don't worry I won't bother you about not owning a gun.
 
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Alot of people are saying that they own a gun for defense and security/protection....but I have to ask, is it really necessary to own a gun in order to protect yourself and your family? Most families are protecting themselves fine without guns....so what do you guys think about the families who believe they dont need a gun to protect themselves?
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Here In Michigan there is a vocal antigun minority who wants no one to have the right to carry concealed. It used to be virtually impossible to get a CCW in Michigan Unless you were a political backer of the current county sherriff. Under our new ccw law any honest citizen can get one now. Statistical fact. The county with the highest number per capita of CCW permit holders has the lowest per capita violent crime rate in the state yet you almost never see it mentioned in local news here but you will regularly see one of the antigun wackos getting lots of airtime trying to convice you that the people with CCWs are just a bunch of gunslinging cowboys and that there will be showdowns at high noon. Owning and keeping firearms in the home has been an American tradition and custom for the entire history of this country. A tradition of over 200 years is not a priviledge, it is a right. Think about this. When was the last time you heard about the police arriving before the crime was committed? Never happens. Police are there to capture the lawbreakers and bring them to justice. Unfortunately the murder/rape/maiming/robbery etc. has already taken place. The victim is not protected. The victims must protect themselves the police cannot prevent you from becoming a victim only you can do that.
 
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